Importance of HDR+AA? ie, Will having an nvidia card in the next few months = no HDR+AA or will Devs go source route?

[Polish3d]

Title says it all


I'd hate to buy a 7800 ultra and have to give up AA for HDR or vv.

 

[5150Joker]

Who knows? When you say 7800 Ultra, are you referring to the rumored 512 MB GTX? I wouldn't waste my cash on that if I were you since you already have a 256 mb 7800 GTX. You will still see the same AA performance penalty (percentage wise) even if the new card has higher clocked memory and more of it. Wait for a refresh instead.

 

[Polish3d]

If that's the case, I wont..

 

[BFG10K]

I actually think using FP HDR is too slow to begin with so it doesn't matter if you can use AA with it or not.

The only viable HDR so far has been through pixel shaders as that runs fast, works with everyone and works with AA too.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: BFG10K
I actually think using FP HDR is too slow to begin with so it doesn't matter if you can use AA with it or not.

The only viable HDR so far has been through pixel shaders as that runs fast, works with everyone and works with AA too.

If you're referring to Source HDR, it looks like crap.

 

[Newfie]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: BFG10K
I actually think using FP HDR is too slow to begin with so it doesn't matter if you can use AA with it or not.

The only viable HDR so far has been through pixel shaders as that runs fast, works with everyone and works with AA too.

If you're referring to Source HDR, it looks like crap.

?? HDR looks amazing, i cant wait to see loast coast...

 

[Polish3d]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: BFG10K
I actually think using FP HDR is too slow to begin with so it doesn't matter if you can use AA with it or not.

The only viable HDR so far has been through pixel shaders as that runs fast, works with everyone and works with AA too.

If you're referring to Source HDR, it looks like crap.

I think it looks great

 

[BFG10K]

If you're referring to Source HDR, it looks like crap.

No it doesn't and neither does Painkiller's.

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: BFG10K
I actually think using FP HDR is too slow to begin with so it doesn't matter if you can use AA with it or not.

The only viable HDR so far has been through pixel shaders as that runs fast, works with everyone and works with AA too.

If you're referring to Source HDR, it looks like crap.

I agree in a sense. I think the Source HDR looks better than nothing, but the Far Cry HDR (although overdone) looks much better. Colours are just exploding off the screen with FP HDR. Dark areas that looked 'too dark' before looked perfect, and contrast was MUCH better.

Alas, performance was (I'm going to use a technical term here) ass-poo with HDR on in Far Cry, so that's the tradeoff I guess.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: jiffylube1024

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: BFG10K
I actually think using FP HDR is too slow to begin with so it doesn't matter if you can use AA with it or not.

The only viable HDR so far has been through pixel shaders as that runs fast, works with everyone and works with AA too.

If you're referring to Source HDR, it looks like crap.

I agree in a sense. I think the Source HDR looks better than nothing, but the Far Cry HDR (although overdone) looks much better. Colours are just exploding off the screen with FP HDR. Dark areas that looked 'too dark' before looked perfect, and contrast was MUCH better.

Alas, performance was (I'm going to use a technical term here) ass-poo with HDR on in Far Cry, so that's the tradeoff I guess.

Exactly why I think Source HDR looks like crap. You don't see the kind of color range you find in Far Cry HDR. To me the Source HDR looks more like cheap bloom effects.

 

[dug777]

how is the HDR in serious sam2 done?

and yeah, of course i'd want HDR and AA, at least the option of it, on all game HDR types...

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: dug777
how is the HDR in serious sam2 done?

and yeah, of course i'd want HDR and AA, at least the option of it, on all game HDR types...

Pretty sure it uses FP for SS2. It looks better than Source HDR but still not as good as Far Cry IMO.

 

[SynthDude2001]

I quite liked the HDR effect in DOD:S from what I saw, and it still ran well and allowed for the use of AA (both in performance, and actually just letting you use both at the same time).

It's been a long time since I've experimented with HDR in FarCry, but I don't remember being more impressed with it than I was with Source's HDR, and it most certainly was not worth the halving of my framerates and loss of AA to me.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
I quite liked the HDR effect in DOD:S from what I saw, and it still ran well and allowed for the use of AA (both in performance, and actually just letting you use both at the same time).

It's been a long time since I've experimented with HDR in FarCry, but I don't remember being more impressed with it than I was with Source's HDR, and it most certainly was not worth the halving of my framerates and loss of AA to me.

Well then fire up Far Cry and go outdoors and check again. Remember, HDR isn't just bloom effects like many people associate it to be.

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
I quite liked the HDR effect in DOD:S from what I saw, and it still ran well and allowed for the use of AA (both in performance, and actually just letting you use both at the same time).

It's been a long time since I've experimented with HDR in FarCry, but I don't remember being more impressed with it than I was with Source's HDR, and it most certainly was not worth the halving of my framerates and loss of AA to me.

Well then fire up Far Cry and go outdoors and check again. Remember, HDR isn't just bloom effects like many people associate it to be.

I just did. It does look a bit better than I remember, I do like that the colors seem more vibrant. As far as comparison to Source's HDR, I still don't think either really has much of an edge in image quality overall (my opinion, obviously). It's basically a moot point in my mind though, because performance is way too low for me to ever think about using it in FarCry.

 

[nitromullet]

Well, this is obviously a matter of opinion, but I really dislked the HDR in Farcry. It felt way too overdone. I mean, if you looked at a flag with a while edge on it indoors, it has completely stark white and appeared to glow. Not very realistic IMO. Not to mention the way the brightness is constantly adjusting... Very annoying.