http://money.cnn.com/2012/07/03/news/economy/imf-recovery/
I guess its keynesian vs.classical economy...where do you stand???
I guess its keynesian vs.classical economy...where do you stand???
You know that it isn't, we've been over this a lot. More and more institutions worldwide are recognizing the failure of budget cutting in a recession. It's sad that it took this long for countries to realize that they were making a catastrophic mistake with austerity because it gave the world several years of unnecessary economic trouble, but at least now it seems that people are coming around.The IMF's argument appears essentially to boil down to this: When you're broke, get another credit card.
You realize that your 'reality' is directly contrary to easily available historical evidence, right? The important part of any debt is the debt/GDP ratio and the US reduced that from a far higher level after WW2 along with another significant reduction in the 90's. That is reality, brencat.Keynsian economics would work if we had politicians that weren't morally bankrupt and a citizenry that didn't expect free shit all the time.
But the fact is that we DON'T raise taxes during good times to pay for the government spending/stimulus we incur during bad times... "You can't raise taxes, you'll kill the economy and the stock market!!"
We never have, and we never will. The stimulus is temporary but the debt is forever.
So the only solution is to never incur the debt in the first place. That is reality Eskimospy.
Yeah, that 15 Trillion dollar deficit we're looking at is one of those "actual outcomes". $15 trillion in the hole is not enough for some, lets double down and go $30 trillion in the hole.I believe this is an ideological and psychological opposition to policy that is not based on actual outcomes.
Emotional ranting. You might be content to watch countries waste several more years pursuing failed conservative policies but thankfully policymakers appear less and less willing to do so. It's sad that it took this long, but the important part is that the world is finally moving towards a more sane fiscal posture.Yeah, that 15 Trillion dollar deficit we're looking at is one of those "actual outcomes". $15 trillion in the hole is not enough for some, lets double down and go $30 trillion in the hole.
In that case, lowering interest rates and printing more money is the answer to everything.Government spending is the equivalent of Maslow's hammer. If the only tool you have is a hammer, you treat everything as if it were a nail.
Thats the GOP motto...ideological versus evidence...pretty clear based on all their positions...You realize that your 'reality' is directly contrary to easily available historical evidence, right? The important part of any debt is the debt/GDP ratio and the US reduced that from a far higher level after WW2 along with another significant reduction in the 90's. That is reality, brencat.
The shifting explanations betray the actual motivations here. The first argument was just that Keynesian economics were total bullshit, that they were just wrong. The last several years have provided some pretty powerful evidence that they are in fact correct. Now the argument becomes 'well even if they are right we still can't do it'. I believe this is an ideological and psychological opposition to policy that is not based on actual outcomes.
You know that it isn't, we've been over this a lot. More and more institutions worldwide are recognizing the failure of budget cutting in a recession. It's sad that it took this long for countries to realize that they were making a catastrophic mistake with austerity because it gave the world several years of unnecessary economic trouble, but at least now it seems that people are coming around.
Does "free shit" include unpaid for tax cuts?Keynsian economics would work if we had politicians that weren't morally bankrupt and a citizenry that didn't expect free shit all the time.
But the fact is that we DON'T raise taxes during good times to pay for the government spending/stimulus we incur during bad times... "You can't raise taxes, you'll kill the economy and the stock market!!"
We never have, and we never will. The stimulus is temporary but the debt is forever.
So the only solution is to never incur the debt in the first place. That is reality Eskimospy.
The States are cutting budgets left and right. The ramifications of continued fiscal irresponsibility is far greater than a slight bump in the road caused by austerity.You know that it isn't, we've been over this a lot. More and more institutions worldwide are recognizing the failure of budget cutting in a recession. It's sad that it took this long for countries to realize that they were making a catastrophic mistake with austerity because it gave the world several years of unnecessary economic trouble, but at least now it seems that people are coming around.
I WISH the stimulus were temporary. We're spending the stimulus and TARP every year and Obama's supporters are calling it magnificent fiscal responsibility.Keynsian economics would work if we had politicians that weren't morally bankrupt and a citizenry that didn't expect free shit all the time.
But the fact is that we DON'T raise taxes during good times to pay for the government spending/stimulus we incur during bad times... "You can't raise taxes, you'll kill the economy and the stock market!!"
We never have, and we never will. The stimulus is temporary but the debt is forever.
So the only solution is to never incur the debt in the first place. That is reality Eskimospy.
Yeah, that $15 trillion dollar deficit is just a figment of my imagination, our actual budget is doing fine.Emotional ranting.
Yeah, more "sane", spend more when you've already massively overspent. That's your idea of sane, an idea shared by the idiots that brought us $15 trillion in debt. Of course politicians are going to take the path of least resistance, that's what got us in this mess to begin with.policymakers appear less and less willing to do so. It's sad that it took this long, but the important part is that the world is finally moving towards a more sane fiscal posture.
First of all, the states cutting their budgets was a horrible idea. Second of all, attempting to compare state budgets within an economy and separate national budgets is silliness.The States are cutting budgets left and right. The ramifications of continued fiscal irresponsibility is far greater than a slight bump in the road caused by austerity.
I'm glad you have come around to the position of the significant majority of economists. If you can learn, anyone can. Bravo!Yeah, that $15 trillion dollar deficit is just a figment of my imagination, our actual budget is doing fine.
Sorry, no amount of rationalization is going to get rid of the $15 trillion deficit that is growing larger every second -- that's a fact.
Yeah, more "sane", spend more when you've already massively overspent. That's your idea of sane, an idea shared by the idiots that brought us $15 trillion in debt. Of course politicians are going to take the path of least resistance, that's what got us in this mess to begin with.
And what do those economists say about a few years down the line when the Godzilla deficit finally bites us in the ass?I'm glad you have come around to the position of the significant majority of economists. If you can learn, anyone can. Bravo!
Printing more money and loaning the money to the banks will solve all of our problems
Why don't you go find out for yourself? Most economists support additional spending and stimulus in the short term along with entitlement reform to address long term deficits.And what do those economists say about a few years down the line when the Godzilla deficit finally bites us in the ass?
The same excuses they try to make up when confronted with proof that austerity works. When Harding chose the path of austerity, there was quick recovery. When Hoover/FDR went on a spending and regulatory spree, the depression simply lasted 12 years. The govt has already been overspending since Coolidge left office and it hasn't made more people prosperous... Keynesian theory is a bunch of bullshit.And what do those economists say about a few years down the line when the Godzilla deficit finally bites us in the ass?
Obama has not endorsed entitlement reform. Show me where he has advocated means testing for MC and SS. Show me where he has suggested cutting Medicare Part D expenditures in half by abolishing patents and using imported drugs.Interestingly, this is the fiscal plan endorsed by Obama.
I don't think I'll be wasting any time showing you anything. You are an unemployed, parasitic piece of shit ranting at the internet from your parents' basement that somehow has the balls to tell us how the economy should be structured even though you've never done a day of real work in your life.Obama has not endorsed entitlement reform. Show me where he advocated means testing for MC and SS. Show me where he has suggested cutting Medicare Part D expenditures in half by abolishing patents and using imported drugs.
I don't think you'll be able to, because the President is nothing more than a fucking corporatist piece of shit.
Since you seem to be such an expert on what the "significant majority of economists" are thinking I'd thought you'd just know off the top of your head.Why don't you go find out for yourself? Most economists support additional spending and stimulus in the short term along with entitlement reform to address long term deficits.
Interestingly, this is the fiscal plan endorsed by Obama.