Imagine

[Perknose]

What, even post-Rove, the Repub smear machine will try to do to him. :shocked:

I mean, they managed to portray John Kerry, an actual combat veteran, as a shirker while simultaneously portraying Bush, who avoided the draft by mysteriously getting bumped over many into the Texas Air National Guard, and for whom there is considerable doubt as to whether he even finished his lame-ass committment -- this guy they got to position like he was Sgt. Fucking Slaughter!

I hope this time it backfires on them. :thumbsup:

 

[Pabster]

This is a troll thread.

You ought to know better. But the fact is, people are sick and tired of Clinton politics. And it's showing. :thumbsup:

 

[FoBoT]

Obama is the next generation, he came of age after the draft
i don't see how military service enters the picture whatsoever in Obama vs. XYZ Republican

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Pabster
This is a troll thread.

You ought to know better. But the fact is, people are sick and tired of Clinton politics. And it's showing. :thumbsup:

Amazing. It took two whole minutes for the PabBot to respond.

Need proof he's a pre-programmed bot? Here he responds to an Obama thread with no mention of Obama and the OBLIGATORY mention of Clinton!!!

Kinda' show my thread is dead on, eh?

And LOL at the premier troll here calling anyone else same.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
Obama is the next generation, he came of age after the draft
i don't see how military service enters the picture whatsoever in Obama vs. XYZ Republican

It doesn't. They will surely come up with a whole raft of other smears and innuendos.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Pabster
This is a troll thread.

You ought to know better. But the fact is, people are sick and tired of Clinton politics. And it's showing. :thumbsup:

This thread is about Obama, take your Hillary bashing back to your own thread. If somebody ought to know better it should be you!!

 

[Vic]

A lot of veterans hated Kerry, enough to vote for a "fortunate son" like Bush over him, because of his upfront role in the Vietnam Veterans Against the War movement. The baggage he carries from that, especially from some his comments and actions when speaking before a Senate committe, are tremendous. To this day, a lot of veterans see Kerry as a traitor. Someone who came back from the war to join and joined the protesters spitting on rest of the veterans as they returned home. That's just the way a lot of those veterans see him.

Obama doesn't have any baggage like that. There was no war for him to fight in and no draft for him to dodge. This is a large part of that "change" element surrounding him that people are talking about. Clinton was the 1st president since Truman who didn't fight in WWII. That was a huge change. Obama would be a similar change.

Heh... yaknow, I hadn't really considered this fully before until I posted it. The Vietnam-era Boomers only get 2 presidents... wouldn't that be nice?

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Vic
A lot of veterans hated Kerry, enough to vote for a "fortunate son" like Bush over him, because of his upfront role in the Vietnam Veterans Against the War movement. The baggage he carries from that, especially from some his comments and actions when speaking before a Senate committe, are tremendous. To this day, a lot of veterans see Kerry as a traitor. Someone who came back from the war to join and joined the protesters spitting on rest of the veterans as they returned home. That's just the way a lot of those veterans see him.

I used the Kerry smear as an example. AGAIN, they will find new and different smears and innuendos against Obama.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Vic

Heh... yaknow, I hadn't really considered this fully before until I posted it. The Vietnam-era Boomers only get 2 presidents... wouldn't that be nice?

I think you just stumbled across the reason why McCain is still so popular.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: FoBoT
Obama is the next generation, he came of age after the draft
i don't see how military service enters the picture whatsoever in Obama vs. XYZ Republican

It doesn't. They will surely come up with a whole raft of other smears and innuendos.

You act as if the democratic party is any more dignified than the Republicans. Both parties will do anything in their power to take down an opposing candidate. Kerry had 3 purple hearts, which allowed him to go home, and not a single scar to show for it. Any fair minded person knows that sounds fishy, and the Republican smear machine honed in on it. The dems tried to counter by attacking Bush's record, but Dan Rather fucked that up, and the story backfired. The dems are just bitter that the Repub supporters did a better smear job, which isnt from a lack of trying on the dems part. If the dems want to win, dont nominate a douche bag like Kerry.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Vic


Heh... yaknow, I hadn't really considered this fully before until I posted it. The Vietnam-era Boomers only get 2 presidents... wouldn't that be nice?

What's interesting this time around is there hasn't been the usual pissing match about who served in the military or not. On the dem side, it's 0-4 right? And I haven't heard much from the pubs probably cuz McCain would win that one, and he doesn't have enough money to run a tv ad campaign.

It was only in 2004 when all the talk shows were lamenting the swiftboating as destroying any conversation and pining for a time when Vietnam wouldn't be such a focal point of the debate behind the debate. Looks like they didn't have to pine for long.

Of course in the mano a mano R v D, if McCain gets the nod, military experience will be at the forefront. Even Giuliani would argue (somehow) that he's better equipped (why exactly?) to deal with terrorism.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: Vic

Heh... yaknow, I hadn't really considered this fully before until I posted it. The Vietnam-era Boomers only get 2 presidents... wouldn't that be nice?

I think you just stumbled across the reason why McCain is still so popular.

I think you're right. Kind of like how the Pubs insisted on running WWII war hero Bob Dole in 1996. The old generation still fighting for control.... hmm...

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Pabster
This is a troll thread.

You ought to know better. But the fact is, people are sick and tired of Clinton politics. And it's showing. :thumbsup:

Amazing. It took two whole minutes for the PabBot to respond.

Need proof he's a pre-programmed bot? Here he responds to an Obama thread with no mention of Obama and the OBLIGATORY mention of Clinton!!!

Kinda' show my thread is dead on, eh?

And LOL at the premier troll here calling anyone else same.

This is an Obama thread?

Meh, looks more like a thinly vieled troll thread against GWB/Rove and and the swift boaters.

Using that pompous bag of hot air Kerry as an anology to Obama completely fails. Kery brought that all that old Vietnam angst upon himself, and no he was no war hero.

Nor do I recall anybody even mentioning/thinking that GWB was. No, the attention was about how GWB didn't do much. Remember Dan Rather etc.?

Otherwise, looks like a thinly vieled Pro-HRC type thread raising doubts about Obama's electability.

If this is an Obama thread I don't see much other than insinuating he's gonna be victimized by others.

No matter who the candidates are, there will no doubt be "dirty tricks" in various locations. Some locations are more susecptible to this, such as SC. Sometimes such things are much more of a result of local politics than national. This is because the (national) Pres candidates can carry local elections with them (straight ticket votes etc).

I tend to believe Obama will be treated fairly softly for a number of reasons. He black, don't wanna piss off the black voters and lose ALL their votes. He's a likeble guy even to Repubs, I don't see harsh attackes on him as sitting well with the Repub base. He espouses unity instead of partisan fighting. People are tired of the bitter partisanship, going in that direction in an attempt to defeat is an obvious mistake, IMO.

Fern

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Vic
A lot of veterans hated Kerry, enough to vote for a "fortunate son" like Bush over him, because of his upfront role in the Vietnam Veterans Against the War movement. The baggage he carries from that, especially from some his comments and actions when speaking before a Senate committe, are tremendous. To this day, a lot of veterans see Kerry as a traitor. Someone who came back from the war to join and joined the protesters spitting on rest of the veterans as they returned home. That's just the way a lot of those veterans see him.

I used the Kerry smear as an example. AGAIN, they will find new and different smears and innuendos against Obama.

Bill was smearing Obama already today.

I think the media supported the destruction of Kerry, Dean and others and I think they like Obama. I think we all do because we know we're in serious trouble and need an statesman for a change.

 

[techs]

I predict if Obama is the candidate:
1) There will be someone from his past who claims Obama sold him drugs.
2) There will be a white woman who alleges Obama assaulted her.
3) There will be an attempt to brand Obama as a front for Osama.

And thats just off the top of my head.
I am sure Rove and his crew are salivating.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Pabster
This is a troll thread.

You ought to know better. But the fact is, people are sick and tired of Clinton politics. And it's showing. :thumbsup:

Amazing. It took two whole minutes for the PabBot to respond.

Need proof he's a pre-programmed bot? Here he responds to an Obama thread with no mention of Obama and the OBLIGATORY mention of Clinton!!!

Kinda' show my thread is dead on, eh?

And LOL at the premier troll here calling anyone else same.

I actually think that he is spot on. This is a troll thread.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Fern
I tend to believe Obama will be treated fairly softly for a number of reasons. He black, don't wanna piss off the black voters and lose ALL their votes. He's a likeble guy even to Repubs, I don't see harsh attackes on him as sitting well with the Repub base.

Just wait. Mark my words. If he's the nominee, remember, I said it here first.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Perknose
I used the Kerry smear as an example. AGAIN, they will find new and different smears and innuendos against Obama.

True, but that ALWAYS happens, regardless of party. A person can't run for asst. dogcatcher without getting some mud slung at them.

 

[Mxylplyx]

Originally posted by: techs
I predict if Obama is the candidate:
1) There will be someone from his past who claims Obama sold him drugs.
2) There will be a white woman who alleges Obama assaulted her.
3) There will be an attempt to brand Obama as a front for Osama.

And thats just off the top of my head.
I am sure Rove and his crew are salivating.

You need to update your boogeyman list. Rove is retired. Rove was a target merely because he was damn good at what he did, and cost the democrats dearly. Hate all political consultants, not just the good ones.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: Mxylplyx

Originally posted by: techs
I predict if Obama is the candidate:
1) There will be someone from his past who claims Obama sold him drugs.
2) There will be a white woman who alleges Obama assaulted her.
3) There will be an attempt to brand Obama as a front for Osama.

And thats just off the top of my head.
I am sure Rove and his crew are salivating.

You need to update your boogeyman list. Rove is retired. Rove was a target merely because he was damn good at what he did, and cost the democrats dearly. Hate all political consultants, not just the good ones.

Done.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: FoBoT
Obama is the next generation, he came of age after the draft
i don't see how military service enters the picture whatsoever in Obama vs. XYZ Republican

It doesn't. They will surely come up with a whole raft of other smears and innuendos.

Starting with his name and his time spent in Indonesia.

 

[piasabird]

There is a question like this: Mr Obama if we were attacked by Muslim Terrorists, would you be willing to fight them if it meant attacking a Muslim Country or a Terrorist Stronghold?

Is he truly an American or does some part of him still Identify with Muslims? Can he be trusted to seek out and kill Muslim Extremists?

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: piasabird
There is a question like this: Mr Obama if we were attacked by Muslim Terrorists, would you be willing to fight them if it meant attacking a Muslim Country or a Terrorist Stronghold?

Is he truly an American or does some part of him still Identify with Muslims? Can he be trusted to seek out and kill Muslim Extremists?

Yeah, those are really tough questions that he hasn't answered yet... uh. I guess saying we should go into pakistan to get al qauda if Musharraf doesn't wasn't extreme enough for the doubters? Only people who already made up their minds about him and are looking for a reason not to vote for him will be swayed by stuff like that.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: piasabird
There is a question like this: Mr Obama if we were attacked by Muslim Terrorists, would you be willing to fight them if it meant attacking a Muslim Country or a Terrorist Stronghold?

Is he truly an American or does some part of him still Identify with Muslims? Can he be trusted to seek out and kill Muslim Extremists?

:roll:

You know that Obama isn't a Muslim, right?

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: piasabird
There is a question like this: Mr Obama if we were attacked by Muslim Terrorists, would you be willing to fight them if it meant attacking a Muslim Country or a Terrorist Stronghold?

Is he truly an American or does some part of him still Identify with Muslims? Can he be trusted to seek out and kill Muslim Extremists?

:roll:

You know that Obama isn't a Muslim, right?

But but but - he shares his middle name with Saddam!!!!! Don't you know that means he's a terrorist, and responsible for 9/11?!!?!?!?!?!? ARE YOU A 'MERICAN!!!>!?!?!?!?