I'm trying to grasp this whole "death is bad" thing....

[Tom]

Originally posted by: iamtrout
Why do people mourn dead people?

If you're religious:

Person dies, goes to Heaven for safekeeping. You'll see them again. Why the heck is this sad?
Person dies, goes to Hell for being an asshat. Good riddance. Why is this sad?
Person dies, goes to Nirvana, one with the universe, etc. Great. Why is this sad?

If you're not religious:

Person dies, goes to oblivion, nothingness. There is nothing inherently sad in nothingness. It's.... nothing.

Why is death such a big deal? If anything it should be a cause for joy because the deceased have found their way to a peaceful afterlife, or a cause for unconcern because they are either getting what they deserve in Hell or becoming nothingness.

It's facing reality. Even the most devout person probably realizes they don't really know what will happen, belief is mostly hope.

 

[TheSlamma]

For religious people I don't understand the fear, sounds like Heaven in comparison to living here 😉

For the non-indoctrinated like myself, I want to live some good times.. but if I die, nothingness means I won't know so I don't care, but while I am here I'm gonna live it good.

 

[GTaudiophile]

A) Do you love your parents? If so, think about all the things they did for you. Think about all the moments when they picked you up. Think about when you laughed and cried with them.

B) Now think of your mom or dad, dying of colon or pancreatic cancer. You visit them every day, watching them as the cancer kills their body. They get weaker, sadder, more absent-minded. Then one day, you walk into the hospital, hold their hand, and try to stay strong as they flat line.

If you thinking about B after A doesn't make you sad/cry now, then you have no heart. (Or you perhaps hated your parents.)

 

[iamtrout]

Originally posted by: robothouse77

Originally posted by: iamtrout

Originally posted by: LordSnailz
cause they'll be missed

Why? It's not like they'll be gone forever, unless you're atheist. If you're atheist, then why should death matter at all?

dude, how dense are you?

sure, you can look at it as 'i'll see you in heaven'! or an atheist, or whatever.

but, imagine your best friend/lover/mother/ whoever you hold closest...GONE.

and there's a little voice in the back of your head (regardless of creed) saying, "I'll NEVER see this person again"

I don't understand the finality. They are not "gone" because they are still in your mind. And in an afterlife for the religious. So they are gone from physical presence. Accept it as an unalterable physical circumstance, remember them, and move onto the infinite other things in this world.

And why does a person have to have someone constantly, or at least forever accessable, in their sight and, for lack of a better term, "communication range"?

 

[Random Variable]

Death is not bad for the person who died; it's bad for the people whom he or she left behind.

 

[monk3y]

Death = bad because Life = Good 😀

 

[BooGiMaN]

in other words you have never had anyone close to you die have you...count yourself as lucky....

and stop being a tool

 

[alien42]

i consider funerals to be cleansing experiences for those who are still alive.

 

[iamtrout]

Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
B) Now think of your mom or dad, dying of colon or pancreatic cancer. You visit them every day, watching them as the cancer kills their body. They get weaker, sadder, more absent-minded. Then one day, you walk into the hospital, hold their hand, and try to stay strong as they flat line.

I have indeed thought about this. My parents for example. I empathize with the fact that they are(will) going into the unknown, and that they are suffering and scared. This is the part that "gets" to me, knowing that one will die and life is soon to be over.

But I also know that the result will not be bad.

You die and if you've been good, you either go to a rewarding afterlife, a new life, or become oblivion. Nothing bad in either on those results.

It's the pre-death that is scary and torturous, but after death, I feel that there should be relief that it's all over, and that that person is now dead and devoid of that fear. I would not feel sad. I would feel relieved.

 

[robothouse77]

Originally posted by: iamtrout

Originally posted by: robothouse77

Originally posted by: iamtrout

Originally posted by: LordSnailz
cause they'll be missed

Why? It's not like they'll be gone forever, unless you're atheist. If you're atheist, then why should death matter at all?

dude, how dense are you?

sure, you can look at it as 'i'll see you in heaven'! or an atheist, or whatever.

but, imagine your best friend/lover/mother/ whoever you hold closest...GONE.

and there's a little voice in the back of your head (regardless of creed) saying, "I'll NEVER see this person again"

I don't understand the finality. They are not "gone" because they are still in your mind. And in an afterlife for the religious. So they are gone from physical presence. Accept it as an unalterable physical circumstance, remember them, and move onto the infinite other things in this world.

And why does a person have to have someone constantly, or at least forever accessable, in their sight and, for lack of a better term, "communication range"?

of course you don't. when i was 17, i thought very similar to the way you do. i never had a single person close to die, or even close to die. Then, one sunny spring day, my neighbor and best friend blew his brains out with his dad's rifle.

when you sob uncontrollably because of losing a friend like this, then come back and post another @$$hat thread

 

[Viper0329]

Are you a stoic?

 

[compuwiz1]

I don't understand the question. Are you an emotionless drone?
People get upset when someone they love or care about ceases to be, creating a void in their lives. Grieving is a healing process.

 

[iamtrout]

Originally posted by: robothouse77

Originally posted by: iamtrout

Originally posted by: robothouse77

Originally posted by: iamtrout

Originally posted by: LordSnailz
cause they'll be missed

Why? It's not like they'll be gone forever, unless you're atheist. If you're atheist, then why should death matter at all?

dude, how dense are you?

sure, you can look at it as 'i'll see you in heaven'! or an atheist, or whatever.

but, imagine your best friend/lover/mother/ whoever you hold closest...GONE.

and there's a little voice in the back of your head (regardless of creed) saying, "I'll NEVER see this person again"

I don't understand the finality. They are not "gone" because they are still in your mind. And in an afterlife for the religious. So they are gone from physical presence. Accept it as an unalterable physical circumstance, remember them, and move onto the infinite other things in this world.

And why does a person have to have someone constantly, or at least forever accessable, in their sight and, for lack of a better term, "communication range"?

of course you don't. when i was 17, i thought very similar to the way you do. i never had a single person close to die, or even close to die. Then, one sunny spring day, my neighbor and best friend blew his brains out with his dad's rifle.

when you sob uncontrollably because of losing a friend like this, then come back and post another @$$hat thread

Well, I have had people die. Not a single one of my grandparents are alive. Less than five years ago the father of one of my best friends died, choking up blood all over the sheets as his wife woke up next to him.

All I can say is that I felt relief for the deceased.

 

[Kelemvor]

So if someone killed your parents or your wife or your child, you wouldn't be sad?

There's a huge differenc ein HOW they die.

If they have been sick for years and yo uknow it's coming, then it's more something that culd be relief.

If someone gets killed by a drunk driver or gets shot, then that's a totally different situation.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: BooGiMaN
in other words you have never had anyone close to you die have you...count yourself as lucky....

and stop being a tool

QFT

 

[robothouse77]

Originally posted by: iamtrout

Originally posted by: robothouse77

Originally posted by: iamtrout

Originally posted by: robothouse77

Originally posted by: iamtrout

Originally posted by: LordSnailz
cause they'll be missed

Why? It's not like they'll be gone forever, unless you're atheist. If you're atheist, then why should death matter at all?

dude, how dense are you?

sure, you can look at it as 'i'll see you in heaven'! or an atheist, or whatever.

but, imagine your best friend/lover/mother/ whoever you hold closest...GONE.

and there's a little voice in the back of your head (regardless of creed) saying, "I'll NEVER see this person again"

I don't understand the finality. They are not "gone" because they are still in your mind. And in an afterlife for the religious. So they are gone from physical presence. Accept it as an unalterable physical circumstance, remember them, and move onto the infinite other things in this world.

And why does a person have to have someone constantly, or at least forever accessable, in their sight and, for lack of a better term, "communication range"?

of course you don't. when i was 17, i thought very similar to the way you do. i never had a single person close to die, or even close to die. Then, one sunny spring day, my neighbor and best friend blew his brains out with his dad's rifle.

when you sob uncontrollably because of losing a friend like this, then come back and post another @$$hat thread

Well, I have had people die. Not a single one of my grandparents are alive. Less than five years ago the father of one of my best friends died, choking up blood all over the sheets as his wife woke up next to him.

All I can say is that I felt relief for the deceased.

ok, fine. then you are on a higher plane of thinking than the rest of us i suppose. i felt pretty fVcking sad when i had to bury my friend and never see him again and think of all the things he could have done with his life.

congratulations, you're better than the rest of us who get emotional about death. you win.

 

[iamtrout]

Originally posted by: FrankyJunior
So if someone killed your parents or your wife or your child, you wouldn't be sad?

There's a huge differenc ein HOW they die.

If they have been sick for years and yo uknow it's coming, then it's more something that culd be relief.

If someone gets killed by a drunk driver or gets shot, then that's a totally different situation.

That is true. I agree that there is definitely something inherently tragic in freak accidents like this because one has not had the necessary time to "brace" for such an impact.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: iamtrout

Originally posted by: LordSnailz
cause they'll be missed

Why? It's not like they'll be gone forever, unless you're atheist. If you're atheist, then why should death matter at all?

Are you a complete moron or an asshat troll? It's got to be one or the other, but I can't tell which.

 

[iamtrout]

Originally posted by: robothouse77
ok, fine. then you are on a higher plane of thinking than the rest of us i suppose. i felt pretty fVcking sad when i had to bury my friend and never see him again and think of all the things he could have done with his life.

congratulations, you're better than the rest of us who get emotional about death. you win.

I don't believe the purpose of my thread was to "win"... something.

It was more to have some things explained, which a couple people have done so.

 

[iamtrout]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: iamtrout

Originally posted by: LordSnailz
cause they'll be missed

Why? It's not like they'll be gone forever, unless you're atheist. If you're atheist, then why should death matter at all?

Are you a complete moron or an asshat troll? It's got to be one or the other, but I can't tell which.

You're angry. Calm down.