I'm tired of the 40 hour a week corporate job, anyone have some suggestions on other ways to earn a living (legally)

Arkitech

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I've been working corporate jobs ever since the age of 16, I just turned 30 a few weeks ago and I'm realizing that I'm burned out. I would really like to go part time or either get into something different but at this point in my life I'm not really sure what it should be. I've been in the IT field for about 7 years and while I do enjoy working with computers it does'nt seem possible to find part time work as an IT professional.


I would love to get into real estate development, I've always wanted to be an architect but right now I don't have the time or money to go back to school. But if I could get into real estate development I could still design homes (with the help of an architect) and earn a pretty good income as well.

I also seem to have a talent for music, art and interior design, but to be honest I really don't know much about that side of the job industry and what it takes to start a career,


So I'm open to any serious suggestions. Has anyone else out there went thru a similar job crisis or just plain career burnout?

I just had a thought do airline mechanics earn a decent income?



 

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If you have connections and balls, consider consulting. You can start part time, till you establish a name. Then if it works out the sky is the limit.
 

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Originally posted by: LordThing
I have always been partial to porn star. :D

LoL

The retail world is always waiting to claim another victim :Q
 

LostHiWay

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You don't know how easy you have it....I would give anything to work 40 hours a week. Working 55-60 each week just drains you.
 

Arkitech

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Originally posted by: LordThing
I have always been partial to porn star. :D

Actually I considered that but I was ummmm....... a little short on some of the qualifications.

haha j/k I was actually told that I was overqualified for the position.

 

Arkitech

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Originally posted by: LostHiWay
You don't know how easy you have it....I would give anything to work 40 hours a week. Working 55-60 each week just drains you.


I've been there too, I've had jobs where it took me 2 hours to get to work going one way and then I put in 10-12 hours a day. Which basically meant I slept about 4 hours a night.

 

LordThing

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Originally posted by: Arkitech
Originally posted by: LordThing
I have always been partial to porn star. :D

Actually I considered that but I was ummmm....... a little short on some of the qualifications.

I get it.....boob size. Happens to the best of us.
 

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if you are burned out, that means that you don't like your job, try to figure out what you like and go to that unless it will cost your soul such as working as a software developer for Microsoft lol. Microsoft has great stock options, join them if ya can lol ;)

i think it's related to liking the job from looking at everybody around me. my friend likes going to school and he is never burned out, i don't mind school that much and i'm sort of burned out. my brother is a construction worker and he's gettin a bit burned out. my dad is an electrical engineer and he's nowhere near bummed out, he works 16 hours of overtime per week because he claims he gets more work done, he really loves his job (asside from the double overtime which is like close to $60 per hour lol)
 

Arkitech

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Originally posted by: Chooco
if you are burned out, that means that you don't like your job, try to figure out what you like and go to that unless it will cost your soul such as working as a software developer for Microsoft lol. Microsoft has great stock options, join them if ya can lol ;)

i think it's related to liking the job from looking at everybody around me. my friend likes going to school and he is never burned out, i don't mind school that much and i'm sort of burned out. my brother is a construction worker and he's gettin a bit burned out. my dad is an electrical engineer and he's nowhere near bummed out, he works 16 hours of overtime per week because he claims he gets more work done, he really loves his job (asside from the double overtime which is like close to $60 per hour lol)


Its not that I hate my job but I never have time for anything else. By the time I get off work and fight my way home thru traffic I barely have enough time to eat dinner and maybe watch something on TV. I would be totally happy if I could find part time work.
 

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Originally posted by: Arkitech
Originally posted by: LordThing
I have always been partial to porn star. :D

Actually I considered that but I was ummmm....... a little short on some of the qualifications.

haha j/k I was actually told that I was overqualified for the position.

ROFL
 

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I totally agree! I'm 28 yrs old and am getting SICK of corporate america. I'm a software developer working in a typical corporate america job in a typical suburban corporate building where 40+ hours are required. I'm struggling with similar issues in that I cannot stand waking up VERY early and SITTING in traffic.... working all day... then sitting in traffic again to commute home... by the time I get home at night I feel drained and I don't feel like doing anything b/c i'm miserable! I see neighbors who live a mile away from work and work only about 37.5-40 hours per week... they have MUCH more free time and seem to be happier.

I blame most of the problems on the commute... the job is ok but the commute is horrible. I'd considering moving closer to the job but the problem there is that I bought a house close to my previous job and cannot move every time I switch jobs.

Here are some commuting stats I was thinking about (assuming 1 hour each way commuting to work and a 5 day work week):
commuting hours per week: 10
commuting hours per month: 40
commuting hours per year: 480

~~ This means that you basically spend the equivalent of 1 whole work week AND the equivalent of 12 work weeks (almost 3 work months) just sitting in the car every month! That is DEPRESSING... I'm wasting valuable time sitting in my car doing nothing!

I just needed to vent... and this seemed to be the appropriate thread to do so!
 

SagaLore

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Originally posted by: LostHiWay
You don't know how easy you have it....I would give anything to work 40 hours a week. Working 55-60 each week just drains you.

Yea I know, he thinks 40 is a lot.
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Until recently, us techs weren't even getting paid overrtime because we were under salary. :( And then the driving average 120 miles a day drains you too.
 

Descartes

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I'm wasting valuable time sitting in my car doing nothing!

No such thing as a waste of time with an active mind. Put on some music you enjoy and immerse yourself in thought. My commute isn't near as long as yours, however, so I can't really relate to how depressing it may be.

if you are burned out, that means that you don't like your job, try to figure out what you like and go to that unless it will cost your soul such as working as a software developer for Microsoft

That couldn't be further from the truth. I love what I do, but sometimes it just gets to me and I need a break. Nevermind the fact that I spend that break reading yet more material relating to my work :).

It seems everyone claiming to be burnt out works in IT, or some related field. What is it about this industry that burns people out so easily? It happens all the time it seems. I personally know of a few software engineers who had to take quite a while off simply because they were burnt out, one to the point of having a nervous breakdown. They all love their work too...

Luckily I always "bounce back", but I fear one day I might find myself crossing the event horizon in search of the avocational singularity, never to return.
 

SagaLore

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Originally posted by: psualum
I totally agree! I'm 28 yrs old and am getting SICK of corporate america. I'm a software developer working in a typical corporate america job in a typical suburban corporate building where 40+ hours are required. I'm struggling with similar issues in that I cannot stand waking up VERY early and SITTING in traffic.... working all day... then sitting in traffic again to commute home... by the time I get home at night I feel drained and I don't feel like doing anything b/c i'm miserable! I see neighbors who live a mile away from work and work only about 37.5-40 hours per week... they have MUCH more free time and seem to be happier.

I blame most of the problems on the commute... the job is ok but the commute is horrible. I'd considering moving closer to the job but the problem there is that I bought a house close to my previous job and cannot move every time I switch jobs.

Here are some commuting stats I was thinking about (assuming 1 hour each way commuting to work and a 5 day work week):
commuting hours per week: 10
commuting hours per month: 40
commuting hours per year: 480

~~ This means that you basically spend the equivalent of 1 whole work week AND the equivalent of 12 work weeks (almost 3 work months) just sitting in the car every month! That is DEPRESSING... I'm wasting valuable time sitting in my car doing nothing!

I just needed to vent... and this seemed to be the appropriate thread to do so!

I had 5 offices, shortest drive was 1 hour, longest was 1 hour 45 min - now they gave me a sixth office, takes 2 hours there and 2 back. Lucky for me I get a 37 cent per mile reimbursement for the drive. :D
 

Arkitech

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Originally posted by: psualum
I totally agree! I'm 28 yrs old and am getting SICK of corporate america. I'm a software developer working in a typical corporate america job in a typical suburban corporate building where 40+ hours are required. I'm struggling with similar issues in that I cannot stand waking up VERY early and SITTING in traffic.... working all day... then sitting in traffic again to commute home... by the time I get home at night I feel drained and I don't feel like doing anything b/c i'm miserable! I see neighbors who live a mile away from work and work only about 37.5-40 hours per week... they have MUCH more free time and seem to be happier.

I blame most of the problems on the commute... the job is ok but the commute is horrible. I'd considering moving closer to the job but the problem there is that I bought a house close to my previous job and cannot move every time I switch jobs.

Here are some commuting stats I was thinking about (assuming 1 hour each way commuting to work and a 5 day work week):
commuting hours per week: 10
commuting hours per month: 40
commuting hours per year: 480

~~ This means that you basically spend the equivalent of 1 whole work week AND the equivalent of 12 work weeks (almost 3 work months) just sitting in the car every month! That is DEPRESSING... I'm wasting valuable time sitting in my car doing nothing!

I just needed to vent... and this seemed to be the appropriate thread to do so!

I totally agree with you, the amount of time it takes to commute these days is equivalent to working a part time job. I've never been able to understand why these corporations don't offer more part time positions. Every year I hear about these companies laying off thousands of people and in some cases those people really did'nt have 8 hours of work to be busy with. So it seems to me it would be more economically feasible for corp america to embrace more part time opportunties and it would also be a great way for employees to continue their careers and still have enough time to enjoy a life outside of the job.




 

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Get into nursing. Big demand and you can get a job anywhere. And Aircraft mechanics do quite well. I knew a fedex machanic who worked in New York and was pulling in some serious $$$. But I can't speak for his cost of living or quality of life of having to live in New York.

I'd say either go into business for your self or find a new job. You obviously enjoy working with computers and would not require any more school work. Ever since I changed careers from flying a few years ago, I have been in the it industry. I have grown to hate computers, but looking back I think I am real fortunate. Every network job I have had, I have been the complete "IT department." Of course working for smaller companies you can run into trouble, like getting laid off which happens. But I now work for a small non-profit insurance company, and can barely fill a 40 hour week. The people here are great and I have a big office with a window. I am probably sacrificing some earning potential by working here, but I get plenty of sleep every night, penty of time with my children, and if I need to leave early to watch my daughter play ball, no one really misses me. These types of gigs are out there, you just have to look around.

When I first got into the IT field it was as a programmer and I was stuck in a crappy corporate setting, nice little cubicles, phone monitoring, ass kissers, etc. The only thing that kept my sanity there was that I could wear shorts and a t-shirt to work. Otherwise I would have only lasted a couple of months and would have went back to flying. But I went over to networking, got out of that place and found some nice small IT departments and have been doing alright. Although once the kids start going to school, I may consider getting back into the flying biz.
 

SagaLore

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Originally posted by: Descartes
I'm wasting valuable time sitting in my car doing nothing!

No such thing as a waste of time with an active mind. Put on some music you enjoy and immerse yourself in thought. My commute isn't near as long as yours, however, so I can't really relate to how depressing it may be.

if you are burned out, that means that you don't like your job, try to figure out what you like and go to that unless it will cost your soul such as working as a software developer for Microsoft

That couldn't be further from the truth. I love what I do, but sometimes it just gets to me and I need a break. Nevermind the fact that I spend that break reading yet more material relating to my work :).

It seems everyone claiming to be burnt out works in IT, or some related field. What is it about this industry that burns people out so easily? It happens all the time it seems. I personally know of a few software engineers who had to take quite a while off simply because they were burnt out, one to the point of having a nervous breakdown. They all love their work too...

Luckily I always "bounce back", but I fear one day I might find myself crossing the event horizon in search of the avocational singularity, never to return.

People, and high-paced deadlines. I think people are the #1 reason for the burn out, because theres an infinite number of personalities you have to deal with, and since most people don't have good understanding of technology, they get frustrated and take it out on us. The #2 has to be the pace. Everything needs done NOW. It use to be, you'd spend months if not years working on a project. Now it's days and weeks.
 

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Consulting is usually a pretty good deal for IT folks. Also called "consulting" is temp-work in IT. Usually not part-time, but you take an assignment, work for a while (weeks or months), and then don't work for some period of time.

Airline mechanics means at least one year, if not two years at a certified school, so you can become an FAA certified mechanic.

If you like the work, but hate the "job" (ie, management, the company, co-workers, etc..) you might try finding another company, where you can do the same type of work, but where the pace is slower. You'll probably have to give up some compensation to get that kind of job.

While I'm not thrilled with the compensation level where I work, at least I only work 40 hours, don't commute for hours, and I don't work too hard. It means I get home in time to be my kids coach, and I can volunteer for selected activities. It's up to YOU to make the time for non-work activities.
 

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Originally posted by: Arkitech
I totally agree with you, the amount of time it takes to commute these days is equivalent to working a part time job. I've never been able to understand why these corporations don't offer more part time positions. Every year I hear about these companies laying off thousands of people and in some cases those people really did'nt have 8 hours of work to be busy with. So it seems to me it would be more economically feasible for corp america to embrace more part time opportunties and it would also be a great way for employees to continue their careers and still have enough time to enjoy a life outside of the job.
You definitely do not want what you think you want. More part-time job offerings means lower salaries and stingier benefits. Corporate America is moving more toward part-time positions and that's bad because you can't live off of the compensation these jobs offer.

The real problem, as I see it, is the concept that a 40 hour workweek is "standard" and unchangeable. People still get paid, largely, by the amount of hours they warm up an office chair instead of what they produce. For instance, if you could do 40 hours of work in a 30 hour period, would you still get paid the same? No, you'd likely earn less because you "only" worked 30 hours, no matter that your output remained the same. I think this is a tremendous quality-of-life problem that faces our working society. Time is finite, so a logical person will accomplish their necessary tasks in as small a time window as possible. And to complete these tasks in short time, they'll work mostly during those hours when they operate at peak efficiency (and not work when their efficiency naturally ebbs.)

If all of our time was our own, the allocation of tasks to various time brackets would be far more efficient. A dream manager (and they do exist) is one who tells you "I don't care when you work; this is what I want you to accomplish and this is the date when these tasks should be completed." Maybe 9AM-5PM isn't the best time for you to do your best job. Maybe part of your workday covers a time period where you aren't your sharpest or most productive. You are forced to work, though, because that's the status quo. If you worked only when you are the most productive, perhaps you can accomplish 40 hours of "standard" work in a 30 hour time frame. I think this is entirely possible.

Some companies have now adopted a partial "free allocation of time" model by dictating "core working hours" of 11AM-3PM or so. It's a compromise but it's leagues better than the old 9-5 fixed standard.

Think about college. You had projects, assignments and studies that occupied a lot of time. But nobody said: you must do your work between the hours of 9AM-5PM. No, you did your assignments when you naturally decided it was time to work on them. There's this subconscious process of efficient time allocation. If you aren't sharp at 4PM or 11AM, you didn't study. If your mind cranks like crazy at 1PM or midnight, you worked your butt off. It's very frustrating that corporate work doesn't operate that way.

If you work in retail or in the public sector (teachers, cops, bus drivers), my idea of work utopia doesn't apply with much immediacy. But IT is a rather prime environment for applying status quo-shattering work/time allocation methods.

My vision may not be completely compatible with the 2002 mindset, but wait 10 or 20 years for technology to continue to knock down the barriers of space and time. You might see workweeks where you have to be in the office 2 days a week and work the rest on their own (either home or office). I know some lucky people have such workweeks now, but it isn't yet common.

The bottom line is improving the quality of life without disrupting our economic system.
 

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A dream manager (and they do exist) is one who tells you "I don't care when you work; this is what I want you to accomplish and this is the date when these tasks should be completed." Maybe 9AM-5PM isn't the best time for you to do your best job. Maybe part of your workday covers a time period where you aren't your sharpest or most productive. You are forced to work, though, because that's the status quo. If you worked only when you are the most productive, perhaps you can accomplish 40 hours of "standard" work in a 30 hour time frame. I think this is entirely possible.

I'd accept a lower salary if I could work for a manager as you described!