Question I'm throwing in the towel

[7beauties]

Dear Friends, I refuse to pay $2K or more for a single graphics card, especially since the original MSRP for Nvidia's RTX 3080 was $700, but I've seen prices for it as high as $2,700K. That's ridiculous.. I'll take up some other hobby/ies in the meantime. I wish you, who are still on this ever-inclining treadmill, that you'll find what you want. Good luck.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Something else productive.

Like... complaining on the internet about "other people" making money over the internet with their PCs... and "playing games" with their GPUs, rather than using them to make actual money.

Edit: Which one of those users, is "more real", and which is "more virtual"? The one that considers internet money to be virtual, and "gaming" to be "real", or the person that considers "gaming" to be "virtual", and "virtual currency", which can be traded for arguably "real money" to be "more real".

 

[Furious_Styles]

Like... complaining on the internet about "other people" making money over the internet with their PCs... and "playing games" with their GPUs, rather than using them to make actual money.

Edit: Which one of those users, is "more real", and which is "more virtual"? The one that considers internet money to be virtual, and "gaming" to be "real", or the person that considers "gaming" to be "virtual", and "virtual currency", which can be traded for arguably "real money" to be "more real".

Well Larry I would say that the intended audience of GPUs is gamers not miners. The manufacturers have said as much and why we are getting LHR models now.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Well Larry I would say that the intended audience of GPUs is gamers not miners. The manufacturers have said as much and why we are getting LHR models now.

And, arguably, the reason that current GPUs are SO POWERFUL for games, is that they are massively parallel, and massively programmable, things that largely arose not JUST because of games, but also because of GPGPU technology (like CUDA and the like), and non-gamers driving the technology for scientific research (and in the last 10 years or so, also mining.)

 

[maddie]

And, arguably, the reason that current GPUs are SO POWERFUL for games, is that they are massively parallel, and massively programmable, things that largely arose not JUST because of games, but also because of GPGPU technology (like CUDA and the like), and non-gamers driving the technology for scientific research (and in the last 10 years or so, also mining.)

Nope.

Remember when the US air force built their PS3 supercomputer? A lot of parties became aware then. GPGPU came about because gaming drove the designs towards high FP output. Gaming was the driver, then other people noticed the raw power becoming available for their computation needs. Now it seems they're going their separate paths.

Notice how all the leading GPGPU tech companies have gaming GPUs as their base. Not an accident.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Remember when the US air force built their PS3 supercomputer?

That had everything to do with Sony/IBM's Cell micro-processor, and nothing to do with the GPU. Or was that PS2, and I have my history wrong? I remember PS2s being clustered with Linux, due specifically to Cell.

 

[Furious_Styles]

And, arguably, the reason that current GPUs are SO POWERFUL for games, is that they are massively parallel, and massively programmable, things that largely arose not JUST because of games, but also because of GPGPU technology (like CUDA and the like), and non-gamers driving the technology for scientific research (and in the last 10 years or so, also mining.)

I'm just commenting on the "more real" part of the post. To me the more real person is the intended audience. When miners are trying to buy all of the GPUs they can get their hands on and drive prices way up, the people who lose out are the gamers.

It wouldn't be so bad if people were limited to buying 1-2 GPUs, but we all know that isn't happening.

 

[aigomorla]

and "playing games" with their GPUs

yeah us filty gamers, always making the vendors come out with something faster, and even forcing them to make Waifu edition cards, because since were filthy gamers we need stuff spammed with cute anime girls and RGB to make us feel morally better.

 

[WelshBloke]

Enjoy your Fiat dollars, when the Fed prints so many and devalues them into nothing. Enjoy brings a wheel-barrow full of money to walmart to shop for milk.

If you believed that you wouldn't be instantly turning your crypto into dollars as soon as you mined it.

 

[ultimatebob]

If you believed that you wouldn't be instantly turning your crypto into dollars as soon as you mined it.

Dude... please don't tell me that anyone here is still doing that. You're not going to have any chance to make any real wealth with your crypto unless you HODL that shiznit!

I learned that lesson the hard way... if I kept the crypto that I mined back in 2013 and sold it during the recent market top, I probably could have bought a house with it.

 

[Leeea]

Dude... please don't tell me that anyone here is still doing that.

It is the only way to roll.

Eth has flattened off at about $2300, about 1/2 of what it was not long ago. The market realization of its exposure to USDT has people pulling their cash out. With USDTs blatant fraud, it is simply a matter of selling off assets without crashing the market before said assets are sold. There are new people onboarding, but they are going to be left holding the bag when the USDT bubble pops.

Last estimate put 80% of crypto market transactions with USDT, which means it is 80% fraud. There will still be value there after USDT pops, 1/5 of $2300 is $460. Not that far off of what Eth was not very long ago.

In the mean time, hodl is insanity. Sell it now, wait for the bubble to pop, and then hodl is back on the table.

 

[e2dog32021]

Nearly a year into the current generation, this battle has long been lost, Scalper - Card Warriors are the true winners. If you can't beat 'em...

 

[gammaray]

Dear Friends, I refuse to pay $2K or more for a single graphics card, especially since the original MSRP for Nvidia's RTX 3080 was $700, but I've seen prices for it as high as $2,700K. That's ridiculous.. I'll take up some other hobby/ies in the meantime. I wish you, who are still on this ever-inclining treadmill, that you'll find what you want. Good luck.

I understand GPU pricing is ridiculously high. But refusing to pay for it, especially if you have the money, only hurt yourself no? I paid 1500 for my 3080 ti, but i could afford it, is it too much probably, but so what.

 

[Puffnstuff]

I'm still happy that I pulled the trigger when I did as the price of my card only continues to climb and I purchased it at Best Buy.

 

[biostud]

I saw an argument the other day that this is actually a good thing (temporary GPU scarcity).

It makes us appreciate the games we already have, in our backlogs, so much more (I can personally attest to this).
It draws attention to indie games that generally have lower system requirements than the AAA stuff.
It forces us to look beyond our one primary hobby and seek out alternate methods of entertaining or even growing ourselves.
Many people here have gotten a crash course in economics, bleeding edge block chain technology, and supply chains over the last 9 months.
It brings us closer together as a community by "otherizing" scalpers and big mining ops (this might not be the healthiest, but hey)

Look at the glass half full and you will never be thirsty!

I play Wot and Division 2, but I upgraded my monitor from a 1440p 60hz to 5120x1440p 240hz, so I would like to upgrade my video card, even though I play older games.

 

[moonbogg]

Dude... please don't tell me that anyone here is still doing that. You're not going to have any chance to make any real wealth with your crypto unless you HODL that shiznit!

I learned that lesson the hard way... if I kept the crypto that I mined back in 2013 and sold it during the recent market top, I probably could have bought a house with it.

Can't feel bad about that. No one has a crystal ball and you can't hold forever "just in case". People don't live long enough for that to make sense.

 

[knght990]

I was able to get a RTX 3070 from a Newegg shuffle two weeks ago.

 

[insertcarehere]

Was thinking of building a computer in 2020-21 to replace my aging gaming laptop before this madness (and other personal things) derailed my plans.

Since a new PC isn't in the cards I finally took the long overdue step of cleaning the heatsinks and repasting the CPU/GPU. That made a gigantic difference, instead of heading to thermal throttleville with GPU at 1200-1300mhz, it's now boosting to 1750+mhz sustained with a comfortable margin to temp limits, with a big increase in FPS as a result.

Repasting the laptop hopefully is the incremental upgrade that lasts me another 12 months until RDNA3/Lovelace comes out and this insanity dies down a little

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Was thinking of building a computer in 2020-21 to replace my aging gaming laptop before this madness (and other personal things) derailed my plans.

Since a new PC isn't in the cards I finally took the long overdue step of cleaning the heatsinks and repasting the CPU/GPU. That made a gigantic difference, instead of heading to thermal throttleville with GPU at 1200-1300mhz, it's now boosting to 1750+mhz sustained with a comfortable margin to temp limits, with a big increase in FPS as a result.

Repasting the laptop hopefully is the incremental upgrade that lasts me another 12 months until RDNA3/Lovelace comes out and this insanity dies down a little

- Was in a similar situation with my desktop 980Ti. Thing was boosting to the proper place but sounded like a 787 right next to my head. Was worried that the fan bearings on the card/VRMs whatever was starting to go.

Opened it up, blasted out a fluffle of dust bunnies from the heatsink (didn't take the repaste step quite yet, since the card is still boosting to the right place) and popped it back in, and the thing probably dropped like 30 decibels, it was incredible.

Been running this 980Ti since 2016, I just need it to hold out until I can pick up a solid 2080S level replacement for a reasonable price (~$400 or less).

 

[aigomorla]

GG 2019 prices... you really will be missed.

Samsung Foundry, Which Produces NVIDIA GPUs, Announces A Price Hike

Samsung is planning to raise its prices of semiconductor wafers which go into powering consumer tech such as NVIDIA GPUs & SOCs so that it will be able to make it accessible to expand its S5 Fab plant to Pyeongtaek, South Korea. Samsung's Financing Efforts For S5 Fab To Increase Prices For...

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Budget Gamers
Official EOL: 2021
Reason: COVID-19 / Etherium / Scalpers / Samsung

Notice how they say HIKE.. and not increase...
Which usually means its not small.

However, when asked about their stand on increasing costs for expansion, they report that their focus is on "short term gains".

This gives it away, they gonna neuter us after we already got castrated for short term profits while ETH holds steady and people still want them videocards to mine.

 

[nosurprises]

I was a little hopeful when I hear about the release of LHR version of the GPUs. But apparently no one is making them because the card makers can make more money by selling the regular cards.

 

[aigomorla]

But apparently no one is making them because the card makers can make more money by selling the regular cards.

nonono... they rebranding them as Ti, and charging double for less then 5% performance increase.

 

[rommelrommel]

I was a little hopeful when I hear about the release of LHR version of the GPUs. But apparently no one is making them because the card makers can make more money by selling the regular cards.

I think they're just using whatever silicon Samsung is making.

 

[biostud]

Simply not enough competition in bleeding edge manufacturing. We need Intel back in the game

 

[Dribble]

Simply not enough competition in bleeding edge manufacturing. We need Intel back in the game

The competition right now is for fab space with every cutting edge device on the planet, and gaming gpu's aren't winning that one.

 

[Arkaign]

Crypto is fine

PoW is beyond it's reason for existing and is now causing more harm than good in nearly every possible metric

ASICs at least offered a middle ground where high levels of PoW could be achieved without monumental wastes in energy and pollution

BTC is nowhere near the problem at all really that is represented by ASIC resistant ETH PoW

And I'm not bothered by someone having a few to a couple dozen GPUs to try to get in on a little of this while it lasts. On the same token, rich vampires in China and elsewhere that run tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of GPUs to just add to already absurd levels of wealth concentration (as well as becoming so powerful within the realm of specific crypto economies as to cause gains/losses and assert control by their dominant presence alone), just ... Ugh.

Someone needs to kick Buterin or whoever in the teeth and get PoS here, and ASICs should be the only legitimate PoW period for future crypto, but limited in scope.