I'm taking a $5000/yr. paycut

[Squisher]

Well, we vote on a re-negotiated contract Sunday and I'm pretty sure it will pass.

The company planned on outsourcing 90% of our work and taking our die room from 50 people down to 5 guys (we have 35 people on layoff).

Because we're a separate union from the UAW and so small we have little power. We were picked on first, but I'm sure that we are only trend-setters in the auto industry.

I'm happy to do it to keep my job and the jobs of my co-workers.



I wasn't really ready to retire at 49 years old, but there is a provision in the agreement that would allow me to. But, I'll have to think about it. Hmm, sitting on my ass on ATOT all day for $36K/yr........naw.

*UPDATE* just got back from a 5 hour union meeting :roll: the concessions passed. I am slowly voting myself into the poor house. Buddy can you spare a dime?

 

[chuckywang]

Hmm, sitting on my ass on ATOT all day for $36K/yr.

Where do I sign up?

 

[Kelvrick]

Originally posted by: chuckywang

Hmm, sitting on my ass on ATOT all day for $36K/yr.

Where do I sign up?

I couldn't do it. It doesn't move fast enough and I'll get bored and go out and spend money, making 36 too little to live on.

 

[d33pt]

you can't retire from that company and get your 36k/year then find a part time job? or is that not how it works?

 

[chambersc]

Ew, unions. Their time has long passed.

 

[SonnyDaze]

Originally posted by: d33pt
you can't retire from that company and get your 36k/year then find a part time job? or is that not how it works?

Sounds like a worthy investment there.

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: d33pt
you can't retire from that company and get your 36k/year then find a part time job? or is that not how it works?

Yes I certainly could, but with Michigan's economy the way it is right now chances are that the best I could do is maybe $15/hr. and at full time it would put me right back to what I'm making now in an unfamiliar environment. I don't really want to relocate until my Dad passes.

As it is, I could retire in September of '08 so I can rethink this then. This agreement would just allow me to do it early.

 

[Eos]

Originally posted by: chambersc
Ew, unions. Their time has long passed.

Yeah. Because my dad makes $70k a year (in a $34k a year median area) as a union plumber and left high school at 16. Unions' time passed LONG ago.

Shut up.

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: chambersc
Ew, unions. Their time has long passed.

I've never needed a union to keep my job, but this is just the way it is here at the bigger companies.

 

[bctbct]

Originally posted by: chambersc
Ew, unions. Their time has long passed.

No Unions havent passed, workers desire to work together and try to obtain long term benefits has been replaced with a few extra bucks in their pocket today.

 

[Ameesh]

fvcking UAW, imo they are terrorists who are going to cause the complete and utter destruction of american manufacturing.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: chambersc
Ew, unions. Their time has long passed.

I've never needed a union to keep my job, but this is just the way it is here at the bigger companies.

I needed to get out of the union here to keep my job. I make more now non-union than I do when I was in the union.

 

[redgtxdi]

My next door neighbor also recently got out of their union.

Their workforce was about half & half before it went to a heavy vote.

Bottom line was that people *with* the union leaned on it a little too much........(and maybe you blame them, maybe you don't but if they're payin' for it why not lean on it, right?)............and the non-union folks finally had enough.

Things are apparently better since the union departed and my neighbor is making as much now working 40hrs/week as he was when he was working 50hrs/week.


I don't think that the unions are all evil, but I do think they need to go away. Even if slowly.........they still need to go away.

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: chambersc
Ew, unions. Their time has long passed.

I've never needed a union to keep my job, but this is just the way it is here at the bigger companies.

I needed to get out of the union here to keep my job. I make more now non-union than I do when I was in the union.

Believe me, it is something I'm thinking about. I do have a bachelors degree in Industrial Management that I've never used. My wife wants me start a business. I don't know.

 

[NanoStuff]

Originally posted by: eos

Originally posted by: chambersc
Ew, unions. Their time has long passed.

Yeah. Because my dad makes $70k a year (in a $34k a year median area) as a union plumber and left high school at 16. Unions' time passed LONG ago.

Shut up.

Someone who left high school at 16 to work as a plumber probably should not be making 70k, I think you demonstrated the problem with unions perfectly.

 

[bctbct]

Originally posted by: NanoStuff

Originally posted by: eos

Originally posted by: chambersc
Ew, unions. Their time has long passed.

Yeah. Because my dad makes $70k a year (in a $34k a year median area) as a union plumber and left high school at 16. Unions' time passed LONG ago.

Shut up.

Someone who left high school at 16 to work as a plumber probably should not be making 70k, I think you demonstrated the problem with unions perfectly.

How much should he make?

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: NanoStuff

Originally posted by: eos

Originally posted by: chambersc
Ew, unions. Their time has long passed.

Yeah. Because my dad makes $70k a year (in a $34k a year median area) as a union plumber and left high school at 16. Unions' time passed LONG ago.

Shut up.

Someone who left high school at 16 to work as a plumber probably should not be making 70k, I think you demonstrated the problem with unions perfectly.

Why, non-union plumbers make $70K/yr?

Shouldn't union plumbers make the same?

 

[NanoStuff]

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: NanoStuff

Originally posted by: eos

Originally posted by: chambersc
Ew, unions. Their time has long passed.

Yeah. Because my dad makes $70k a year (in a $34k a year median area) as a union plumber and left high school at 16. Unions' time passed LONG ago.

Shut up.

Someone who left high school at 16 to work as a plumber probably should not be making 70k, I think you demonstrated the problem with unions perfectly.

Why, non-union plumbers make $70K/yr?

Shouldn't union plumbers make the same?

Yes they should make the same, not twice as much. If the median salary is $34k in a given area, there's an economic reason for such a wage.

 

[Squisher]

Originally posted by: NanoStuff

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: NanoStuff

Originally posted by: eos

Originally posted by: chambersc
Ew, unions. Their time has long passed.

Yeah. Because my dad makes $70k a year (in a $34k a year median area) as a union plumber and left high school at 16. Unions' time passed LONG ago.

Shut up.

Someone who left high school at 16 to work as a plumber probably should not be making 70k, I think you demonstrated the problem with unions perfectly.

Why, non-union plumbers make $70K/yr?

Shouldn't union plumbers make the same?

Yes they should make the same, not twice as much. If the median salary is $34k in a given area, there's an economic reason for such a wage.

Plumbers are not median. They're skilled tradesmen and when you need one you really need one.

 

[bctbct]

Originally posted by: NanoStuff

Originally posted by: eos

Originally posted by: chambersc
Ew, unions. Their time has long passed.

Yeah. Because my dad makes $70k a year (in a $34k a year median area) as a union plumber and left high school at 16. Unions' time passed LONG ago.

Shut up.

Someone who left high school at 16 to work as a plumber probably should not be making 70k, I think you demonstrated the problem with unions perfectly.

I guess my question was too hard for you to answer?

 

[Eos]

Originally posted by: NanoStuff

Originally posted by: eos

Originally posted by: chambersc
Ew, unions. Their time has long passed.

Yeah. Because my dad makes $70k a year (in a $34k a year median area) as a union plumber and left high school at 16. Unions' time passed LONG ago.

Shut up.

Someone who left high school at 16 to work as a plumber probably should not be making 70k, I think you demonstrated the problem with unions perfectly.

I think my brother's and sister's college funds would disagree.

 

[NanoStuff]

Originally posted by: Squisher
Plumbers are not median. They're skilled tradesmen and when you need one you really need one.

If you specify a median wage, that's about as median as median can get.

 

[JACKHAMMER]

Originally posted by: Ameesh
fvcking UAW, imo they are terrorists who are going to cause the complete and utter destruction of american manufacturing.

Spoken like a complete tool. While the UAW certainly doesn't help things, they are not the "complete" cause of the downfall the Big 3. A big part of that was poor management and inferior products for years.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: NanoStuff

Originally posted by: Squisher

Originally posted by: NanoStuff

Originally posted by: eos

Originally posted by: chambersc
Ew, unions. Their time has long passed.

Yeah. Because my dad makes $70k a year (in a $34k a year median area) as a union plumber and left high school at 16. Unions' time passed LONG ago.

Shut up.

Someone who left high school at 16 to work as a plumber probably should not be making 70k, I think you demonstrated the problem with unions perfectly.

Why, non-union plumbers make $70K/yr?

Shouldn't union plumbers make the same?

Yes they should make the same, not twice as much. If the median salary is $34k in a given area, there's an economic reason for such a wage.

MOSTLY, it's supply and demand. No one wants to fix their own dammed plumbing or toilets, so the plumbers can charge whatever they want. Same with most of the trades. How many people are qualified to build a house, or set machinery to the tolerances they require, operate heavy equipment and build roads, bridges, etc. to prints? Not many. What most of you union haters forget, is that us tradesmen did our time in our "colleges", called apprenticeships, and work far harder than you ever will in an office. PLUS, we work in all kinds of weather, in difficult or hazardous environments, (ever have to fix a broken toilet that people have used after it broke?)
I dropped out of high school at 16 also, served 4 for the Corps, then got out, and did a 6000 hour apprenticeship. Before I got hurt, (another hazard of the job, dangerous working conditions) I pulled down anywhere between $75K and $90K/year. Not bad for a high school drop out...
People think union's time is over...If people were smart, everyone would rush to join whatever union they could...Having one unified voice when negotiating a raise is FAR better than everyone having to kiss up for their annual raise. NO, not everyone NEEDS a union, and in some jobs, it might not even make sense, but MOST jobs...
"We work best, when we say UNION YES!"

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: JACKHAMMER

Originally posted by: Ameesh
fvcking UAW, imo they are terrorists who are going to cause the complete and utter destruction of american manufacturing.

Spoken like a complete tool. While the UAW certainly doesn't help things, they are not the "complete" cause of the downfall the Big 3. A big part of that was poor management and inferior products for years.

Your right, but when you are pouring billion into paying people to not work and inefficient work rules i am sure it does have an effect on the RnD and marketing budgets...