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ZOOYUKA

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: palehorse
Have you seen or heard Palin?

enough said.

Have you ever heard Obama speak without his two teleprompters?

actually, yes, I have.

Did the constant stuttering drive you crazy?

So? Your only complaint is honestly that he says "uh" and "umm" too often for your tastes?? Seriously? That's kind of silly, don't you think?

No my problem is that he cannot connect a complete thought.
 

Stuxnet

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Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Damn, like 5 people beat me to calling the OP a moron.

That shocks you? Anyone without a Obama screen saver on this forum gets hammered by the circle-jerkers. Its usually 1 or 2 smart dems that make points and argue facts, followed by 6 or 7 "idiot" "moron" "zomg you repug".

Maybe you should read what the OP has to say. He is a fucking idiot. He makes no legitimate points and his contention that this stuff hasn't been discussed here is just plain wrong.

Or maybe he's just observed - as others have - the blind liberal political hackery that takes place here. That's not to say there aren't other boards out there chock full of conservative hacks who lack the same critical thought many of the folks here lack, but on AT, Obama pretty much gets a VIP pass on, well, everything.

Did you miss the part where OP cited Obama's name as a reason to not vote for him? Careful who you identify with. You don't have to defend an idiot just because you share some political views with him.

I didn?t see that, but if he said that, it?s stupid. Regardless, it doesn?t change the fact that any attempt to scrutinize Obama on these boards ? even the slightest ? is met with rabid hatred and contempt. Besides, according to your fellow Dems, guilt by association is out:

Originally posted by: Rainsford, excusing Obama's association with Ayers
I think people are defined by their behavior, not the behavior of others
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Damn, like 5 people beat me to calling the OP a moron.

That shocks you? Anyone without a Obama screen saver on this forum gets hammered by the circle-jerkers. Its usually 1 or 2 smart dems that make points and argue facts, followed by 6 or 7 "idiot" "moron" "zomg you repug".

Maybe you should read what the OP has to say. He is a fucking idiot. He makes no legitimate points and his contention that this stuff hasn't been discussed here is just plain wrong.

Or maybe he's just observed - as others have - the blind liberal political hackery that takes place here. That's not to say there aren't other boards out there chock full of conservative hacks who lack the same critical thought many of the folks here lack, but on AT, Obama pretty much gets a VIP pass on, well, everything.

Did you miss the part where OP cited Obama's name as a reason to not vote for him? Careful who you identify with. You don't have to defend an idiot just because you share some political views with him.

I didn?t see that, but if he said that, it?s stupid. Regardless, it doesn?t change the fact that any attempt to scrutinize Obama on these boards ? even the slightest ? is met with rabid hatred and contempt. Besides, according to your fellow Dems, guilt by association is out:

Originally posted by: Rainsford, excusing Obama's association with Ayers
I think people are defined by their behavior, not the behavior of others

Well you missed the name thing, so I guess you also missed the threads discussing disapproval of Obama's critique of the SC decision against executing child rapists, or the thread damning him for caving on the Telco immunity bill, or the thread...oh whatever, you don't care.

As to guilt by association, you don't seem to understand the concept. Standing at a party where someone else said something stupid doesn't make you complicit. Defending what the idiot said, does.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: jbourne77

I didn?t see that, but if he said that, it?s stupid. Regardless, it doesn?t change the fact that any attempt to scrutinize Obama ? even the slightest ? is met with rabid hatred and contempt. Besides, according to your fellow Dems, guilt by association is out.:

Originally posted by: Rainsford, excusing Obama's association with AyersI think people are defined by their behavior, not the behavior of others

So you admit that what he wrote was stupid, but people calling it stupid is somehow evidence that legitimate criticism of Obama isn't allowed. That's rich.

If you think this is the case, why don't you go generate a thread with legitimate criticism of Obama and see how it goes? Pick your best claim against him, source it well, provide a reasonable argument without partisan hackery, and write in an adult manner. You might be surprised. The reason the anti-Obama posts on here get flamed so badly is that they sound like they were written by brainwashed 12 year olds. You don't have to be with that crowd.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: jbourne77
Regardless, it doesn?t change the fact that any attempt to scrutinize Obama on these boards ? even the slightest ? is met with rabid hatred and contempt.

Wrong. Heck, I've posted plenty of criticism of Obama. *Iditioc, dishonest* attacks on Obama are met with contempt. Your inability to recognize them as such is the issue.
 

bdude

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Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: palehorse
Have you seen or heard Palin?

enough said.

Have you ever heard Obama speak without his two teleprompters?

actually, yes, I have.

Did the constant stuttering drive you crazy?

So? Your only complaint is honestly that he says "uh" and "umm" too often for your tastes?? Seriously? That's kind of silly, don't you think?

No my problem is that he cannot connect a complete thought.

Funny, I was thinking the same about you Mr. Yuka.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: palehorse
Have you seen or heard Palin?

enough said.

Have you ever heard Obama speak without his two teleprompters?

actually, yes, I have.

Did the constant stuttering drive you crazy?

So? Your only complaint is honestly that he says "uh" and "umm" too often for your tastes?? Seriously? That's kind of silly, don't you think?

No my problem is that he cannot connect a complete thought.

My problem is that you lie.
 

Stuxnet

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: jbourne77

I didn?t see that, but if he said that, it?s stupid. Regardless, it doesn?t change the fact that any attempt to scrutinize Obama ? even the slightest ? is met with rabid hatred and contempt. Besides, according to your fellow Dems, guilt by association is out.:

Originally posted by: Rainsford, excusing Obama's association with AyersI think people are defined by their behavior, not the behavior of others

So you admit that what he wrote was stupid, but people calling it stupid is somehow evidence that legitimate criticism of Obama isn't allowed. That's rich.

Wow... you fail at logic, reading comprehension, cause and effect, ... should I continue?
 

ZOOYUKA

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Originally posted by: bdude
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: palehorse
Have you seen or heard Palin?

enough said.

Have you ever heard Obama speak without his two teleprompters?

actually, yes, I have.

Did the constant stuttering drive you crazy?

So? Your only complaint is honestly that he says "uh" and "umm" too often for your tastes?? Seriously? That's kind of silly, don't you think?

No my problem is that he cannot connect a complete thought.

Funny, I was thinking the same about you Mr. Yuka.

That was a classless comment.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Damn, like 5 people beat me to calling the OP a moron.

That shocks you? Anyone without a Obama screen saver on this forum gets hammered by the circle-jerkers. Its usually 1 or 2 smart dems that make points and argue facts, followed by 6 or 7 "idiot" "moron" "zomg you repug".

Maybe you should read what the OP has to say. He is a fucking idiot. He makes no legitimate points and his contention that this stuff hasn't been discussed here is just plain wrong.

Or maybe he's just observed - as others have - the blind liberal political hackery that takes place here. That's not to say there aren't other boards out there chock full of conservative hacks who lack the same critical thought many of the folks here lack, but on AT, Obama pretty much gets a VIP pass on, well, everything.

Did you miss the part where OP cited Obama's name as a reason to not vote for him? Careful who you identify with. You don't have to defend an idiot just because you share some political views with him.

I didn?t see that, but if he said that, it?s stupid. Regardless, it doesn?t change the fact that any attempt to scrutinize Obama on these boards ? even the slightest ? is met with rabid hatred and contempt. Besides, according to your fellow Dems, guilt by association is out:

Originally posted by: Rainsford, excusing Obama's association with Ayers
I think people are defined by their behavior, not the behavior of others

sniff sniff

Same happens when criticizing Bush(less so nowadays), McCain, Palin. Those who lament the "Liberal bias" of this Board seem to ignore the same from the "Conservative" side. The real problem in P&N has been that since this Boards inception, "Liberals", for the most part, have been right in their criticisms of the "Conservatives" Policies/Actions. There are certainly "Liberal" posters who go too far in their critisisms, but the same is true of certain "Conservatives". It seems to be mostly OT "Conservatives" who lament the "Liberal Bias" of P&N, but mostly as a weak whine as to why they never venture to P&N.

Perhaps if you and your fellow "Conservatives" had a point and were able to make that point reasonably P&N would be a better forum.
 

ZOOYUKA

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: palehorse
Have you seen or heard Palin?

enough said.

Have you ever heard Obama speak without his two teleprompters?

actually, yes, I have.

Did the constant stuttering drive you crazy?

So? Your only complaint is honestly that he says "uh" and "umm" too often for your tastes?? Seriously? That's kind of silly, don't you think?

No my problem is that he cannot connect a complete thought.

My problem is that you lie.

Prove me wrong. Find me video footage with no teleprompter where he speaks intelligently and coherently. I would love to see it.
 

Stuxnet

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Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: bdude
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: palehorse
Have you seen or heard Palin?

enough said.

Have you ever heard Obama speak without his two teleprompters?

actually, yes, I have.

Did the constant stuttering drive you crazy?

So? Your only complaint is honestly that he says "uh" and "umm" too often for your tastes?? Seriously? That's kind of silly, don't you think?

No my problem is that he cannot connect a complete thought.

Funny, I was thinking the same about you Mr. Yuka.

That was a classless comment.

If you come here expecting more, you'll be sorely disappointed.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: palehorse
Have you seen or heard Palin?

enough said.

Have you ever heard Obama speak without his two teleprompters?

actually, yes, I have.

Did the constant stuttering drive you crazy?

So? Your only complaint is honestly that he says "uh" and "umm" too often for your tastes?? Seriously? That's kind of silly, don't you think?

No my problem is that he cannot connect a complete thought.

My problem is that you lie.

Prove me wrong. Find me video footage with no teleprompter where he speaks intelligently and coherently. I would love to see it.

Tomorrow, 9pm, channel: all of them.
 

Stuxnet

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Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: palehorse
Have you seen or heard Palin?

enough said.

Have you ever heard Obama speak without his two teleprompters?

actually, yes, I have.

Did the constant stuttering drive you crazy?

So? Your only complaint is honestly that he says "uh" and "umm" too often for your tastes?? Seriously? That's kind of silly, don't you think?

No my problem is that he cannot connect a complete thought.

My problem is that you lie.

Prove me wrong. Find me video footage with no teleprompter where he speaks intelligently and coherently. I would love to see it.

That's only important if we're talking about Bush, Palin, or McCain. Unintelligible speech from a Democrat - especially Obama - is not to be called into question.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: palehorse
Have you seen or heard Palin?

enough said.

Have you ever heard Obama speak without his two teleprompters?

actually, yes, I have.

Did the constant stuttering drive you crazy?

So? Your only complaint is honestly that he says "uh" and "umm" too often for your tastes?? Seriously? That's kind of silly, don't you think?

No my problem is that he cannot connect a complete thought.

My problem is that you lie.

Prove me wrong. Find me video footage with no teleprompter where he speaks intelligently and coherently. I would love to see it.
Obviously you didn't watch the first Presidential Debate.
 

ZOOYUKA

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Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: palehorse
Have you seen or heard Palin?

enough said.

Have you ever heard Obama speak without his two teleprompters?

actually, yes, I have.

Did the constant stuttering drive you crazy?

So? Your only complaint is honestly that he says "uh" and "umm" too often for your tastes?? Seriously? That's kind of silly, don't you think?

No my problem is that he cannot connect a complete thought.

My problem is that you lie.

Prove me wrong. Find me video footage with no teleprompter where he speaks intelligently and coherently. I would love to see it.

Tomorrow, 9pm, channel: all of them.

So his performance his some how going to be better than the last debate? I plan on watching, but I doubt that he has gotten better in the last two weeks.
 

ZOOYUKA

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: palehorse
Have you seen or heard Palin?

enough said.

Have you ever heard Obama speak without his two teleprompters?

actually, yes, I have.

Did the constant stuttering drive you crazy?

So? Your only complaint is honestly that he says "uh" and "umm" too often for your tastes?? Seriously? That's kind of silly, don't you think?

No my problem is that he cannot connect a complete thought.

My problem is that you lie.

Prove me wrong. Find me video footage with no teleprompter where he speaks intelligently and coherently. I would love to see it.
Obviously you didn't watch the first Presidential Debate.


Actually, I watched it in its entirety.
 

Stuxnet

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Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: palehorse
Have you seen or heard Palin?

enough said.

Have you ever heard Obama speak without his two teleprompters?

actually, yes, I have.

Did the constant stuttering drive you crazy?

So? Your only complaint is honestly that he says "uh" and "umm" too often for your tastes?? Seriously? That's kind of silly, don't you think?

No my problem is that he cannot connect a complete thought.

My problem is that you lie.

Prove me wrong. Find me video footage with no teleprompter where he speaks intelligently and coherently. I would love to see it.

Tomorrow, 9pm, channel: all of them.

So his performance his some how going to be better than the last debate? I plan on watching, but I doubt that he has gotten better in the last two weeks.

I wonder if he has any more "me too" stories that will blow back in his face the next morning.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: palehorse
Have you seen or heard Palin?

enough said.

Have you ever heard Obama speak without his two teleprompters?

actually, yes, I have.

Did the constant stuttering drive you crazy?

So? Your only complaint is honestly that he says "uh" and "umm" too often for your tastes?? Seriously? That's kind of silly, don't you think?

No my problem is that he cannot connect a complete thought.

My problem is that you lie.

Prove me wrong. Find me video footage with no teleprompter where he speaks intelligently and coherently. I would love to see it.
Obviously you didn't watch the first Presidential Debate.


Actually, I watched it in its entirety.
Then you saw him connect enough complete thoughts to win that debate.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: palehorse
Have you seen or heard Palin?

enough said.

Have you ever heard Obama speak without his two teleprompters?

actually, yes, I have.

Did the constant stuttering drive you crazy?

So? Your only complaint is honestly that he says "uh" and "umm" too often for your tastes?? Seriously? That's kind of silly, don't you think?

No my problem is that he cannot connect a complete thought.

My problem is that you lie.

Prove me wrong. Find me video footage with no teleprompter where he speaks intelligently and coherently. I would love to see it.

Tomorrow, 9pm, channel: all of them.

So his performance his some how going to be better than the last debate? I plan on watching, but I doubt that he has gotten better in the last two weeks.

A new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll shows 46% of people who watched Friday night's presidential debate say Democrat Barack Obama did a better job than Republican John McCain; 34% said McCain did better.

You want him to do better than an 12 point beating? That's asking a lot of anyone.
 

ZOOYUKA

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Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: jonks
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: palehorse
Have you seen or heard Palin?

enough said.

Have you ever heard Obama speak without his two teleprompters?

actually, yes, I have.

Did the constant stuttering drive you crazy?

So? Your only complaint is honestly that he says "uh" and "umm" too often for your tastes?? Seriously? That's kind of silly, don't you think?

No my problem is that he cannot connect a complete thought.

My problem is that you lie.

Prove me wrong. Find me video footage with no teleprompter where he speaks intelligently and coherently. I would love to see it.

Tomorrow, 9pm, channel: all of them.

So his performance his some how going to be better than the last debate? I plan on watching, but I doubt that he has gotten better in the last two weeks.

A new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll shows 46% of people who watched Friday night's presidential debate say Democrat Barack Obama did a better job than Republican John McCain; 34% said McCain did better.

You want him to do better than an 12 point beating? That's asking a lot of anyone.

You can also find news outlets that also claim the opposite. Personally, I don't know how anyone can honestly say someone won that lackluster debate. Unimpressed with both on that night.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: jbourne77
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: jbourne77

I didn?t see that, but if he said that, it?s stupid. Regardless, it doesn?t change the fact that any attempt to scrutinize Obama ? even the slightest ? is met with rabid hatred and contempt. Besides, according to your fellow Dems, guilt by association is out.:

Originally posted by: Rainsford, excusing Obama's association with AyersI think people are defined by their behavior, not the behavior of others

So you admit that what he wrote was stupid, but people calling it stupid is somehow evidence that legitimate criticism of Obama isn't allowed. That's rich.

Wow... you fail at logic, reading comprehension, cause and effect, ... should I continue?

Do you find it funny to say that I fail at reading comprehension after admitting you didn't see that the OP criticized Obama's name in a post that was all of about 5 sentences long? You seem a little outgunned here man.

As for everything else, yes please continue. If you weren't attempting to imply that criticism of Obama was not condoned here by saying 'any attempt to scrutinize Obama - even the slightest - is met with rabid hatred and contempt', then I would love to hear what you meant by it. Or was this not an 'any attempt'?
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
Originally posted by: palehorse
Have you seen or heard Palin?

enough said.

Have you ever heard Obama speak without his two teleprompters?

actually, yes, I have.

Did the constant stuttering drive you crazy?

So? Your only complaint is honestly that he says "uh" and "umm" too often for your tastes?? Seriously? That's kind of silly, don't you think?

No my problem is that he cannot connect a complete thought.

Wow, this is just a stupidly false comment. Why lie so blatantly when tens of millions of Americans have seen him answer questions coherently at interviews and debates?

Sure, Obama has had some gaffes and embarrassing moments, but he's never had the kind of interview trainwrecks like what we've seen from Palin.

edit:
Originally posted by: jbourne77
That's only important if we're talking about Bush, Palin, or McCain. Unintelligible speech from a Democrat - especially Obama - is not to be called into question.
And more whining lies. McCain has had his own fair share of gaffes and stumps, while neither Obama or McCain have had a genuine Bush or Palin moment.

Seriously, the only way you could make this argument you did here is if your own viewpoint was unbalanced. While at the same time you're pretending to be calling for balance. It's ridiculous, and only serves to discredit your side.
 

Desturel

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Originally posted by: ZOOYUKA
You can also find news outlets that also claim the opposite.

Hopefully you aren't referring to Druge Report. I've rarely seen a more one sided bias site as that. (and I'd even include Fox News in the list of less bias sites)