I don't see how NFL players can sit out even when they have a valid contract for the year because they think they deserve more money or want an extension. If a rookie who was not a high draft pick signs for a lower contract and does great(Clinton Portis) then that's just the breaks. Put a lot of incentives in your contract or something which will allow you to make more money or renegotiate for a better one in case you do have an awesome year. Duce Staley, who will make $2.2 million this year, is holding out because he wants a contract extension from the Eagles. How can a player under a valid contract do this? There should be a clause in the contract that says a player forfiets all money owed to him that year if something like this happens. Thoughts?
I'm sick and tired of NFL athletes
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I can't figure out why holdouts aren't illegal. Doesn't a contract bind you playing for that team. If you don't play then can't you get sued?
Players drop like a rock on my respect scale after they hold out. Especially since there are salary caps. A team plans the whole off season trying to work out contracts for free agents and rookies and stay under the salary cap. Then some chump decides he's not going to show up for camp and holds out. Bullshjt.
I think it's equally stupid for a team to demand to renegotiate a contract. (Redskins and "Big Daddy"). Don't people have any honor anymore to stick to their word when they sign an agreement? Where do people get off thinking that a 5 year contract only is valid for the first 2 years?
Players drop like a rock on my respect scale after they hold out. Especially since there are salary caps. A team plans the whole off season trying to work out contracts for free agents and rookies and stay under the salary cap. Then some chump decides he's not going to show up for camp and holds out. Bullshjt.
I think it's equally stupid for a team to demand to renegotiate a contract. (Redskins and "Big Daddy"). Don't people have any honor anymore to stick to their word when they sign an agreement? Where do people get off thinking that a 5 year contract only is valid for the first 2 years?
The reason NFL players hold out is because they dont have a guaranteed contract. Even if you are the best running back in the league and are putting up great numbers, management can cut you and they dont owe you a dime. The only guranteed money NFL players get is their signing bonus. This is different in the NBA and MLB. The contract in those 2 sports has to be paid regardless of whether you cut the player of not. I dont blame NFL players for holding out to get more money if they deserve it. You never know when its going to end and in football careers are not very long.
This is true, but most team will never sign a player to a guaranteed contract. Therefore its in the best interest of the player to renegotiate/hold out for more money when he has a good season.
So NFL players are just the same as all the rest of us. They knew that going in. This should not be a valid reason to hold out. Alexsei Yashin did the same in the NHL. He sat out the last year of his contract because he wanted more money. He thought his obligation to the team was done after his holdout year. The courts disagreed. They forced him to return to the team the following year to fulfill his final year obligation. This is the way it should be for all athletes. They signed the contract they did for a reason. Circumstances have changed since they signed the contract. The dumbass should have signed a shorter contract.
In addition, players take very little financial risk. If the team they play for is not able to win and therefore is not able to bring fans into the stadium, then the players still get their full salaries.
Players do take very little financial risk, but they take great personal risk. No one is going to give them anything if they get injured and can not play anymore. A lot of teams will wipe their hands of them and throw them away. Players know this so they go after the money when they can. There is no loyalty in sports anymore. Its all about taking care of number 1 in the eyes of players. I can't blame them.
All true, but in a few season in the NFL every player will make more than I do in 30 years. Some will actuallu do this in a small portion of one year. If they are smart with their money (which most aren't) then they will never have to work again.
I do not want to pay for their stupidity or their inability to spend money wisely. They should not be allowed to hold out.
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Until the labor union in the NFL gets more influence, I dont see this trend changing anytime soon. Granted I dont like the fact that they hold out, but I do understand.
I'm still not totally clear. If a player holds out does he doesn't get paid does he? And if he returns during the year does he get all of his salary for the year, or a portion of it, or what? It seems to me like both sides (players and owners) try to manipulate the system. In my opinion you take gamble on a long contract whether you are a player or a owner. If you are an owner and you agree to pay 5mil a year for 10 years and the guy sucks you are screwed. If you are a plyer and you sign for 10 years at 3mil and become an awesome player, tough crap for you, you signed at 3mil now live with it. If you think you can make more money after 2 years, then sign a two year contract if you are a player. If you think a guy could suck, don't sign him long term as a manager.
The avg NFL career is between 3 and 4 years. This is the only time most of these guys will be able to make significant money in their lives. Many former NFL players are physically beat up - hip/knee replacements, bad arthritis, all kinds of problems. My former roomate, who was a three-year starter on the O-line for a Big Ten team, had three operations on his shoulders, which still trouble him, and suffered a compound fracture in a practice before their last bowl game, which destroyed his NFL chances and hinders him physically to this day.
If you take the superstar NFL players out of the equation, the career earnings of the average NFL player are less than 1M - and again, many of them aren't going on to lucrative post-NFL careers.
Lets not be so quick to label all these guys as making more money than the average Joe will over 30 years.
Additionally, there are NO guaranteed contracts in the NFL to my knowledge. While I don't condone holdouts, I do understand where they are coming from (most of the time).
If you take the superstar NFL players out of the equation, the career earnings of the average NFL player are less than 1M - and again, many of them aren't going on to lucrative post-NFL careers.
Lets not be so quick to label all these guys as making more money than the average Joe will over 30 years.
Additionally, there are NO guaranteed contracts in the NFL to my knowledge. While I don't condone holdouts, I do understand where they are coming from (most of the time).
What you are not getting is that if an owner signs a player for 5mil for 10 years and he sucks after the first year, he can cut the player and not owe him a dime for the rest of the 9 years. This is because the labor union for the NFL has not been able to get guaranteed contracts for their players. In the NBA where money is guranteed, the owner is out of luck in the same situation. He will have to pay the player for the rest of the 9 years regardless of whether he plays or not. This situation is going on right now with Albert Belle in the MLB. He can't physically play anymore due to health problems, but the Baltimore Oriles still owe him the rest of the 90 million dollar contract he signed a while back.
If a player is under contract and holds out from camp, he is subject to daily fines. I believe the fine is $5,000 a day.
What you're missing, is that when players hold out, it's never the $400,000 guy that lasts 2 years and retires due to injury, although I still wouldn't complain if I got $800,000 for two years and most likely a free college education.
It's always the top 20% money makers that are holding out (and that's conservative).
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I feel bad for NFL players, you kiddin? They get their ass's chewed out every week and they can't endure a 15 year career like basketball players can.
Sports Athletes in general I don't really care about. Half of them are ex-cons and drug addicts who got it easy when they were young because they could run. They got rich fast, blew all their money away, and when their career hits an abrupt end with a un expected injury they are screwed. That's their fault for not finishing collage or not saving their millions. Or even perhaps not staying out of jail.
Sports Athletes in general I don't really care about. Half of them are ex-cons and drug addicts who got it easy when they were young because they could run. They got rich fast, blew all their money away, and when their career hits an abrupt end with a un expected injury they are screwed. That's their fault for not finishing collage or not saving their millions. Or even perhaps not staying out of jail.
Still, $250,000 is the minimum salary in the NFL. With the exception of being an actor or a damn famous surgeon, no other profession (other than sports as well) pays that much yearly. $1 million to live out the rest of your lifetime is a lot of money, assuming they don't blow it all on coke or other drugs
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