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I'm no backup declares Kurt Warner

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2004 Stats
174 out of 277, 2054 yards, 6 Thowing TD's, 4 Interceptions, 1 Running TD. Rating of 86.5 Started the season 5-2

His replacement:
77 out of 170, 899 yards, 3 Throwing TD's, 8 Interceptions, 12 sacks. Rating of 48.1 Started the Season 0-6

:thumbsup: for Coughlin. You are a friggin rocket scientist
 
Warner is a has-been while Eli has an enormous upside. There is no reason to put Warner back in since the Giants season was over weeks ago
 
No reason to put Warner back in now, but with the horrible NFC play off picture, there is a decent chance Warner could have won a few more and been in a Wild Card position.
 
Warner is an FA after this year, how could he ask to be traded?


Also, Warners stats are against pretty soft defenses. Eli played 4 of the top 5 defenses. He's also a rookie. End of discussion.
 
Originally posted by: brian_riendeau
No reason to put Warner back in now, but with the horrible NFC play off picture, there is a decent chance Warner could have won a few more and been in a Wild Card position.
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You say that based on his performance against Arizona, Detroit and Chicago? If he struggled against those teams, what makes you think he would've done better against Atlanta, Baltimore, Phily, Pittsburgh and Redskins (#2 defense). The only mistake Coughlin made IMO is not starting Eli from day 1. But nobody knew at that time.
 
yeah i think they put Eli in too early...i mean look at some of the "contenders" records when he was removed carolina was under .500 i think, so were the saints
 
Originally posted by: Argo
Originally posted by: brian_riendeau
No reason to put Warner back in now, but with the horrible NFC play off picture, there is a decent chance Warner could have won a few more and been in a Wild Card position.
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You say that based on his performance against Arizona, Detroit and Chicago? If he struggled against those teams, what makes you think he would've done better against Atlanta, Baltimore, Phily, Pittsburgh and Redskins (#2 defense). The only mistake Coughlin made IMO is not starting Eli from day 1. But nobody knew at that time.
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Guess he believes in the sink or swim methodology for teaching....and Eli sunk like a rock.
 
personally I didn't like the way the Giants handled it. It didn't seem to me like Warner lost his job. They just took it and gave it to Eli.
 
Originally posted by: Argo
Originally posted by: brian_riendeau
No reason to put Warner back in now, but with the horrible NFC play off picture, there is a decent chance Warner could have won a few more and been in a Wild Card position.
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You say that based on his performance against Arizona, Detroit and Chicago? If he struggled against those teams, what makes you think he would've done better against Atlanta, Baltimore, Phily, Pittsburgh and Redskins (#2 defense). The only mistake Coughlin made IMO is not starting Eli from day 1. But nobody knew at that time.
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exactly what I would have said
 
One stat that comes to mind:

With Warner in: Giants gave up 39 sacks in 9 games.
With Eli: 12 sacks in 7 games.

Do the math.
 
Originally posted by: Argo
One stat that comes to mind:

With Warner in: Giants gave up 39 sacks in 9 games.
With Eli: 12 sacks in 7 games.

Do the math.
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Not to mention all the turnovers in Warner's last couple weeks. He lost that job, it wasn't taken from him.
 
Giants Record with Warner: 5-4
Giants Record with Manning: 0-6

If Tom Coughlin wanted to win, he would have never started Eli for any of the games. Remember, when Peyton was a rookie, he won only three games, then he went on next season to win 13 games. If Eli is the same, he could end up winning zero games, and go on next season to win 10 games. Ha, yeah right! Tom Coughlin is just a retard...

After Warner's performance this season I could see a number of teams offer him a starting QB position... including: Miami, Cleveland, Tennessee, Oakland, Dallas, Washington, Chicago, Tampa Bay, Arizona, or San Francisco. More than likely, he'll get offers from Miami, Cleveland, Arizona, or San Francisco.
 
Originally posted by: BlackAdam
Giants Record with Warner: 5-4
Giants Record with Manning: 0-6

If Tom Coughlin wanted to win, he would have never started Eli for any of the games. Remember, when Peyton was a rookie, he won only three games, then he went on next season to win 13 games. If Eli is the same, he could end up winning zero games, and go on next season to win 10 games. Ha, yeah right! Tom Coughlin is just a retard...

After Warner's performance this season I could see a number of teams offer him a starting QB position... including: Miami, Cleveland, Tennessee, Oakland, Dallas, Washington, Chicago, Tampa Bay, Arizona, or San Francisco. More than likely, he'll get offers from Miami, Cleveland, Arizona, or San Francisco.
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Miami maybe, Cleveland no not with the contract they gave Garcia. Arizona maybe. San Francisco has #1 pick so they might draft a QB first and also they like mobility in their QBs.
 
Coughlin gave into the NY pressure. So much for him being a tough guy coach who does things his way. He used to be a guy who would do whatever it took to win a game, now he's a puppet for the NY media. Warner gave the Giants the best chance to win, and in the NFC, they could have been a wild card team. Instead he gives way to the wonder boy and they don't win another game all year. Nice move, Coughlin.

Warner is a good QB. Give him a decent line and 2-3 solid receivers, he'll do just fine. He NEEDs the line though, since obviously he is not the most mobile of QBs.
 
What happened in STL from '99-01 was a whole lot more than Kurt Warner. This guy was a mediocre QB who found himself at the helm of the most talented group of players ever to start on the same team. Not to mention that Dick V was calling the shots then (at least in 99). The whole thing was just an unbelievable combination of talent and skill that isn't likely to be seen again anytime soon in this age of salary caps and free agency.

Don't get me wrong, it wasn't that Kurt was that bad of a quarterback, its jus that the Rams as a whole were that good.
 
Originally posted by: JoLLyRoGer
What happened in STL from '99-01 was a whole lot more than Kurt Warner. This guy was a mediocre QB who found himself at the helm of the most talented group of players ever to start on the same team. Not to mention that Dick V was calling the shots then (at least in 99). The whole thing was just an unbelievable combination of talent and skill that isn't likely to be seen again anytime soon in this age of salary caps and free agency.

Don't get me wrong, it wasn't that Kurt was that bad of a quarterback, its jus that the Rams as a whole were that good.
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While I agree the Rams were loaded, Warner was on the money EVERY TIME. He had one of the quickest releases I've ever seen, EVERY ball he threw was accurate. He was NOT a mediocre QB. He was every bit as important to that Rams team as Isaac Bruce or Marshall Faulk was. They have not achieved the same level of success since Warner left.
 
Originally posted by: murphy55d
Originally posted by: JoLLyRoGer
What happened in STL from '99-01 was a whole lot more than Kurt Warner. This guy was a mediocre QB who found himself at the helm of the most talented group of players ever to start on the same team. Not to mention that Dick V was calling the shots then (at least in 99). The whole thing was just an unbelievable combination of talent and skill that isn't likely to be seen again anytime soon in this age of salary caps and free agency.

Don't get me wrong, it wasn't that Kurt was that bad of a quarterback, its jus that the Rams as a whole were that good.
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While I agree the Rams were loaded, Warner was on the money EVERY TIME. He had one of the quickest releases I've ever seen, EVERY ball he threw was accurate. He was NOT a mediocre QB. He was every bit as important to that Rams team as Isaac Bruce or Marshall Faulk was. They have not achieved the same level of success since Warner left.
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Yes, because he constantly had people open. He had one of the best o-lines in the game. Marshall Faulk was the best player in football. The situation in Stl was much better that Giants or anything else Warner will see in his career. That said, I still wish him good luck. He's a class act.
 
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