I'm moving to North Dakota if this passes.

[Zebo]

This is HUGE!! USA for some odd reason has massive property taxes. You never own your house you rent it in USA. Even Europe socialist utopia has virtually no or no property taxes in many countries - Austria, Germany Scandinavian countries etc. Asia same - Thailand none for example. And many other places i have been and talked with people. Anyways -

North Dakota citizens may abolish property taxes, allowing them more control over government spending. Nearly 30,000 signatures were collected to place the people's initiative on the ballot in June, 2012 that would constitutionally abolish all property taxes in North Dakota.

This landmark measure supports property rights, small government and freedom advocates around the country.

If the initiative is successful, North Dakota will be the first state to abolish all property taxes, both state and local, and will provide a model for the other states to do the same. North Dakota may be the first state to kick off the property rights revolution!

http://www.activistpost.com/2011/11/secret-revolution-in-north-dakota.html

 

[Slew Foot]

How are government workers supposed to vote themselves lifetime pensions for working 5 years if they cant steal 1% of your house value per year?

 

[Engineer]

Sounds nice but I'm sure that there will be "other" taxes put in place to make up for them. Somebody has to pay for the services unless they are going to abolish them (doubtful). I suspect a sales tax or the like. Little guy will pay more in sales taxes than in property taxes so the taxes get shifted down the ladder (assuming it's a sales tax and it usually is although I guess they could just institute a straight local income tax or something like it).

I guess ND could just be so revenue rich right now from the oil boom going on up there that they just don't need the property taxes. That won't last long....they will institute something at some point to replace it with. They always do.

 

[IronWing]

Hurrah for protecting stagnant wealth and taxing productivity!

 

[Zebo]

Sounds nice but I'm sure that there will be "other" taxes put in place to make up for them. Somebody has to pay for the services unless they are going to abolish them (doubtful). I suspect a sales tax or the like. Little guy will pay more in sales taxes than in property taxes so the taxes get shifted down the ladder (assuming it's a sales tax and it usually is although I guess they could just institute a straight local income tax or something like it).

I guess ND could just be so revenue rich right now from the oil boom going on up there that they just don't need the property taxes. That won't last long....they will institute something at some point to replace it with. They always do.

Absolutely they will get get you from in front or behind - the difference is you're not taxed just by living which to me is immoral. The Govt is essentially saying we own part of your life.

 

[Zebo]

Hurrah for protecting stagnant wealth and taxing productivity!

I don't know about stagnate you already paid your dues once on income you made. Whittling you down over your lifetime on something you are supposed to own forces you to be a slave and work and pay property taxes. It also gets many people on fixed income and no longer able to work the boot or forces downsizing.

 

[feralkid]

I guess ND could just be so revenue rich right now from the oil boom going on up there that they just don't need the property taxes. That won't last long....they will institute something at some point to replace it with. They always do.

Correct.

Furthermore, housing prices near the oil fields have risen so phenomenally that this tax break amounts to exactly squat.

 

[Zebo]

How are government workers supposed to vote themselves lifetime pensions for working 5 years if they cant steal 1% of your house value per year?

That's California low 1% prop 13. Many places are as high as 3%.

 

[Zebo]

Correct.

Furthermore, housing prices near the oil fields have risen so phenomenally that this tax break amounts to exactly squat.

Are you serious housing prices are going up there? I was a home builder FYI. Looking better every minute.

 

[feralkid]

Are you serious housing prices are going up there? I was a home builder FYI. Looking better every minute.

Skyrocketing. Except that's not a good thing unless you already own property

Trust me, you will NOT find paradise in N.D.

 

[Jhhnn]

This is HUGE!! USA for some odd reason has massive property taxes. You never own your house you rent it in USA. Even Europe socialist utopia has virtually no or no property taxes in many countries - Austria, Germany Scandinavian countries etc. Asia same - Thailand none for example. And many other places i have been and talked with people. Anyways -



http://www.activistpost.com/2011/11/secret-revolution-in-north-dakota.html

You're Californian, right? Their property tax is totally screwed. My 85 year old uncle lives in Greater LA, pays the same property tax as when the original screw the pooch measure was originally passed. The guy who recently bought the house next door gets totally hosed by property taxes as a consequence. It's an absurdity.

Money to run govt has to come from somewhere. If it didn't come from the owners of the new & shiny up in the hills, it'd have to come from the pockets of the old & busted in the rundown apt buildings along some of the major boulevards.

You won't like N Dakota, anyway. There are reasons it's very sparsely populated, weather being a big part of it. It sucks, and there's nothing to slow down the arctic wind but barb wire. Up there, winter is for real, in ways you may never have experienced.

 

[Zebo]

You're Californian, right? Their property tax is totally screwed. My 85 year old uncle lives in Greater LA, pays the same property tax as when the original screw the pooch measure was originally passed. The guy who recently bought the house next door gets totally hosed by property taxes as a consequence. It's an absurdity.

Money to run govt has to come from somewhere. If it didn't come from the owners of the new & shiny up in the hills, it'd have to come from the pockets of the old & busted in the rundown apt buildings along some of the major boulevards.

You won't like N Dakota, anyway. There are reasons it's very sparsely populated, weather being a big part of it. It sucks, and there's nothing to slow down the arctic wind but barb wire. Up there, winter is for real, in ways you may never have experienced.

I grew up there and graduated college there and left. But My parents still live there and yes in the house they bought in 1966 and stayed put for good reason. You can't afford to upgrade. Their tax bill would go from $600 a year to $15,000 a year if they moved next door.

No you don't have to have property taxes to pay for all the things govt does. Like I said Europe and other places don't have them as onerous or even at all.

 

[Greenman]

You're Californian, right? Their property tax is totally screwed. My 85 year old uncle lives in Greater LA, pays the same property tax as when the original screw the pooch measure was originally passed. The guy who recently bought the house next door gets totally hosed by property taxes as a consequence. It's an absurdity.

Money to run govt has to come from somewhere. If it didn't come from the owners of the new & shiny up in the hills, it'd have to come from the pockets of the old & busted in the rundown apt buildings along some of the major boulevards.

You won't like N Dakota, anyway. There are reasons it's very sparsely populated, weather being a big part of it. It sucks, and there's nothing to slow down the arctic wind but barb wire. Up there, winter is for real, in ways you may never have experienced.

Would you be OK with your 85 year old uncle being taxed out of his house? That's what was happening in CA. Prop 13 sucks, no prop 13 sucks a lot more.

 

[Zebo]

Oh yeah J you're right I wouldn't like it but let's hope this movement passes and spreads to warmer states. There is no private property rights with property taxation.

 

[Jhhnn]

Would you be OK with your 85 year old uncle being taxed out of his house? That's what was happening in CA. Prop 13 sucks, no prop 13 sucks a lot more.

I really don't have the numbers to say he'd be taxed out of his house, nor do you, I suspect. So you're making attributions that may or may not be true.

I know for sure that he sees it as terribly unfair, and he's an old school lifelong moderate Republican, a retired aeronautical engineer, still very, very sharp. He's finally starting to see the contradiction in that, too, given the raving wingnuts his party offers up for his consideration.

 

[Craig234]

Would you be OK with your 85 year old uncle being taxed out of his house? That's what was happening in CA. Prop 13 sucks, no prop 13 sucks a lot more.

Keep prop 13 for residential properties. Repeal its commercial property tax boondoggle and 2/3 vote requirements. Now the problem you mention is gone.

 

[Wreckem]

Doing away with property taxes(which everyone pays whether they own or rent) would just cause a shift to either even higher and more regressive sales taxes, or larger state income taxes.

In most states property taxes go to fund local/county government functions(police, fire, roadworks, utilities, etc) and education and has little to do with state govt spending.

If ND passes it, they will have to come up with a shit ton of new taxes or no fire, police, roadworks, or schools.

Stupid people are stupid.

 

[Zebo]

Keep prop 13 for residential properties. Repeal its commercial property tax boondoggle and 2/3 vote requirements. Now the problem you mention is gone.

Still inequitable. Next door neighbor paying 50x as much who just moved in. Best thing to do is get rid of them entirely on residential and find other sources. It's not right people are forced to generate revenue just by living IMO. That's slavery unlike when republicans talk of income taxes.

This solves other problems as well. Such as poor districts get shitty schools rich districts get good schools.

 

[Ausm]

This is HUGE!! USA for some odd reason has massive property taxes. You never own your house you rent it in USA. Even Europe socialist utopia has virtually no or no property taxes in many countries - Austria, Germany Scandinavian countries etc. Asia same - Thailand none for example. And many other places i have been and talked with people. Anyways -



http://www.activistpost.com/2011/11/secret-revolution-in-north-dakota.html

You'll always get it in the end...with or without lube guaranteed.

 

[Texashiker]

One thing I have learned about property taxes, it nothing more then a land grab by the state.

During the depression of the 1930s, my family had around 400 acres in southeast Texas seized by the state because my family could not pay the property taxes. After the property was seized for back taxes, a local timber company bought the land. The timber company turned around and gave my family 40 acres to live on. It was a nice gesture by the timber company.

The majority of the land owned by the timber company in this area was obtained through property seized by the state for back taxes.

My opinion, property taxes nation wide should be abolished.

 

[Zebo]

One thing I have leanred about property taxes, it nothing more then a land grab by the state.

During the depression of the 1930s, my family had around 400 acres in southeast Texas seized by the state because my family could not pay the property taxes.

After the property was seized for back taxes, a local timber company bought the land. The timber company turned around and gave my family 40 acres to live on. It was a nice gesture by the timber company.

The majority of the land owned by the timber company in this area was obtained through property seized by the state for back taxes.

My opinion, property taxes nation wide should be abolished.

Happened a million times. Another way rich get richer is land grabs on back taxes.

 

[theeedude]

Absolutely they will get get you from in front or behind - the difference is you're not taxed just by living which to me is immoral. The Govt is essentially saying we own part of your life.

Roads need to be maintained to your property, and police and fire needs to be paid to protect it. You aren't taxed just for living. You are taxed for living in a civilized society, which costs money.

 

[Texashiker]

Happened a million times. Another way rich get richer is land grabs on back taxes.

Yep.

Between the early 1900s and the 1930s, parts of east Texas were booming timber towns. Unlike today, people owned property, in a lot of cases several hundred acres.

Along came the depression, people could not pay taxes, property was seized and sold off. This allowed companies to be built off the misfortune of others.

The process is still being repeated all across the nation today. Is it not enough for someone to lose their job, but the state has to come in and take their property.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Zebo there be good reasons to move to ND. But taxes isn't Why I would .

 

[monovillage]

I voted for Proposition 13 and i'm still very happy about it. May Howard Jarvis rest in peace that the U.S. Supreme Court found it constitutional.
the United States Supreme Court in the case of Nordlinger v. Hahn, 505 U.S. 1 (1992)