I'm incredibly unlucky! update #2

DrPizza

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Update #2:
Today, I purchased my 28th consecutive losing bottle of pepsi (itunes 1 in 3 wins promotion, last date to redeem = 5/23/05)

The probability of losing 28 consecutive times is (2/3)^28
=.00001173
Or, the odds of anyone losing 28 consecutive times is 1 in 85,222

If I lose tomorrow, it jumps to 1 in a quarter million.
10 more losing bottles and I'll be at 1 in nearly 5 million!

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Update: got my monday 20oz pepsi....
I've now lost 18 times in a row, with the probability of winning = 1 in 3.
Odds of losing 18 in a row = (2/3)^18 = .0006766
or, about 1 in 1500.

If I continue losing the rest of this week, it will soar to 1 in nearly 17 thousand.

Question: is it legal to control the distribution of where winners and losers are? (No, I'm not going to sue pepsi) Someone from one of the pepsi distributors told me once that with their larger corporate accounts they would do something like this: "If you'll agree to have one of these extra large displays in your store, we'll guarantee one of the big winners will be from your store."

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Almost 3 weeks ago, on a rare occasion, I had three 20ounce pepsi's in one day. Jokingly, I made the comment at the time "this is the 3rd one, so I'm due to win" (I understand probability better than that - the copmment was a joke... each time, it's an independent 1/3 probability... well, insignificantly close, since there are a finite number of bottles and I already removed 2 losers)


Anyway, since that time for amusement's sake, I kept track.

I have now lost 17 consecutive times.

What are the odds of that? Edit: OOOOP!!! (TWO/3)^17
or about 1 in 1000.

Am I *that* unlucky, or is Pepsi full of sh!t when they claim "1 in 3 wins"


Thanks for correcting me, Chucky, et al.
 

Zysoclaplem

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You've been damned to failure since the day you were born. Just look, your icon is an apple but your name is Pizza. Can't even do that right can you? :p
 

rsd

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Likely someone is using the angle the bottle to see if they won trick before they buy, and hence you are left with much greater odds of a non-winner than those 1/3 chances.
 

walla

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Well perhaps 1/3 do win, but the distribution of winning caps is not truly random. In that case, the odds are not as small as they appear.

But perhaps you are that unlucky. :)
 

walla

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Originally posted by: chuckywang
uh...the odds are 2^17 better than that.

You don't know probability.


Yeah, you actually calculated the chance of winning 17 times in a row. The odds of losing 17 times in a row are more like 1 in 1000.
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: Injury
Some of you people drink way too damn much soda.

Who buys 20 oz bottles anyways? What a waste of money. 50 cent 2 liters is where its at. Or at least 24 packs.
 

chrisms

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Maybe they shipped off a bunch of winners in the first batches to make people think their chances of winning was greater.
 

maziwanka

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Originally posted by: walla
Originally posted by: chuckywang
uh...the odds are 2^17 better than that.

You don't know probability.


Yeah, you actually calculated the chance of winning 17 times in a row. The odds of losing 17 times in a row are more like 1 in 1000.

ya
 

Phoenix86

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May 21, 2003
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Originally posted by: chrisms
Maybe they shipped off a bunch of winners in the first batches to make people think their chances of winning was greater.
That'd be an evil-evil, legal, trick. :evil:
 

notfred

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Originally posted by: walla
Originally posted by: chuckywang
uh...the odds are 2^17 better than that.

You don't know probability.


Yeah, you actually calculated the chance of winning 17 times in a row. The odds of losing 17 times in a row are more like 1 in 1000.


Yep. Odds of losing 17 times in a row are slightly better than 1/1000.
 

Mathlete

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Originally posted by: chuckywang
uh...the odds are 2^17 better than that.

You don't know probability.

If I could figure out what you are trying to say I would tell you that you do not understand probability because it's not the same as odds.

The probability of losing 17 times in a row is (2/3)^17 which is .0010149592
 

TallBill

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Apr 29, 2001
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Originally posted by: notfred
Originally posted by: walla
Originally posted by: chuckywang
uh...the odds are 2^17 better than that.

You don't know probability.


Yeah, you actually calculated the chance of winning 17 times in a row. The odds of losing 17 times in a row are more like 1 in 1000.


Yep. Odds of losing 17 times in a row are slightly better than 1/1000.

Isn't DrPizza a math teacher too?
 

nakedfrog

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Originally posted by: Zysoclaplem
You've been damned to failure since the day you were born. Just look, your icon is an apple but your name is Pizza. Can't even do that right can you? :p

Not only that, I thought an apple a day was supposed to keep the doctor away. Does the selection of the apple avatar suggest some sort of deep-seated inner self-loathing?
Or is an avatar sometimes just an avatar? :p
 

CraigRT

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I am the same way with roll up the rim to win at Tim Horton's.

everyone won most of the time but me... so retarded.
 

chuckywang

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Originally posted by: Mathlete
Originally posted by: chuckywang
uh...the odds are 2^17 better than that.

You don't know probability.

If I could figure out what you are trying to say I would tell you that you do not understand probability because it's not the same as odds.

The probability of losing 17 times in a row is (2/3)^17 which is .0010149592

What's so hard to understand about my post? besides the loose terminology, it's pretty straightfoward.
 

Glavinsolo

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Kind of like scratch offs where the grand prize and all the lower prizes have already been distributed but the scratch off tickets are still being sold