I'm in tears right now...

Doboji

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I'm so upset and disturbed right now I can barely speak or type.

A few moments ago I passed by several dozen wounded soldiers missing arms, missing legs. These men are recently recovered from Iraq. I am so disturbed and absolutely humbled by the sacrifice these men have made for the good of humanity.

And I am so angry at all of humanity for our absolute selfishness with which we look upon Iraq, and other conflicts throughout the world. So often we hear of Bush this, Haliburton that, cheney this. But why were we so selfish to allow that question to even exist. Why is everyone in the world looking this situation throwing their hands up in the air, and saying "not my problem"... why are we living our cushy little lives, driving our cushy little cars, drinking beer and relaxing while so many of our young men are giving their lives and limbs for the good of humanity. How is it that we allow places like Iraq, and people like Saddam to exist?... Isn't it time for us to stand together, and get this mess cleaned up?... Shouldn't france, and germany, and every other country in the world step up to the plate and say this is a HUMAN problem. Put their fvcking troops on the ground, put their money to work, and clean up our own human mess? If everyone was involved there could be no question of motives... no stealing of oil.... the world has the power to set the goals of the mission and ensure the success. Iraq should be humanities mission, not just the US. But we're all too selfish...

I am ashamed right now, ashamed that I walk on two legs, have the use of both arms, can see with both eyes. Compared to these men I am nothing... all I can do is sit here and cry quietly to myself... In utter awe of these men, I will forever feel indebted to them... I am grateful for my small support position where I can do just a little something to support these larger than life heroes.

-Max
 

jpeyton

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Wow, you are dead wrong.

It WASN'T our problem. ALL of our reasons for going to war were FALSE or EXAGGERATED.

Just because we decide to make a confict doesn't obligate the world to clean up our mess.
 

moshquerade

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Max, you sound like a great guy. here's hoping there are a lot more guys like you out there.
i agree with all you've said. i am eternally grateful for those who put their lives on the line for our country.
 

BAMAVOO

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Originally posted by: Doboji
I'm so upset and disturbed right now I can barely speak or type.

A few moments ago I passed by several dozen wounded soldiers missing arms, missing legs. These men are recently recovered from Iraq. I am so disturbed and absolutely humbled by the sacrifice these men have made for the good of humanity.

And I am so angry at all of humanity for our absolute selfishness with which we look upon Iraq, and other conflicts throughout the world. So often we hear of Bush this, Haliburton that, cheney this. But why were we so selfish to allow that question to even exist. Why is everyone in the world looking this situation throwing their hands up in the air, and saying "not my problem"... why are we living our cushy little lives, driving our cushy little cars, drinking beer and relaxing while so many of our young men are giving their lives and limbs for the good of humanity. How is it that we allow places like Iraq, and people like Saddam to exist?... Isn't it time for us to stand together, and get this mess cleaned up?... Shouldn't france, and germany, and every other country in the world step up to the plate and say this is a HUMAN problem. Put their fvcking troops on the ground, put their money to work, and clean up our own human mess? If everyone was involved there could be no question of motives... no stealing of oil.... the world has the power to set the goals of the mission and ensure the success. Iraq should be humanities mission, not just the US. But we're all too selfish...

I am ashamed right now, ashamed that I walk on two legs, have the use of both arms, can see with both eyes. Compared to these men I am nothing... all I can do is sit here and cry quietly to myself... In utter awe of these men, I will forever feel indebted to them... I am grateful for my small support position where I can do just a little something to support these larger than life heroes.

-Max



It is a job they chose to do. Not everyone is cut out to be military person. Thank GOD for those that choose to be!
 

ed21x

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the world doesn;t care about Iraq... and neither does a loud number of people here in the United States. I for one give these men my utlost respect and admiration for what they were willing to sacrifice, if not for us, for the faceless people that we don't know.
 

xospec1alk

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we aren't the worlds police. ask bush or even clinton how come we go into iraq and 'liberate' the people, when countries like sudan now, and tibet still, are facing atrocities from the gov't? yet we sit around and do ntohing about those countries.
 

DougK62

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Hah - it took a whole two minutes for some assclown to turn a nice message political. How typical.
 

BAMAVOO

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Wow, you are dead wrong.

It WASN'T our problem. ALL of our reasons for going to war were FALSE or EXAGGERATED.

Just because we decide to make a confict doesn't obligate the world to clean up our mess.

His statements were not political. IF ( A BIG GIANT IF) you were president, you would have made the same choice to attack. The evidence set forth to President Bush was an overwhelming, go get them. Even without the evidence, we are more than justified to go into Iraq and do what we have to do. Even your Precious Kerry was and still is FOR the war.
 

Fausto

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Originally posted by: BAMAVOO
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Wow, you are dead wrong.

It WASN'T our problem. ALL of our reasons for going to war were FALSE or EXAGGERATED.

Just because we decide to make a confict doesn't obligate the world to clean up our mess.

His statements were not political. IF ( A BIG GIANT IF) you were president, you would have made the same choice to attack. The evidence set forth to President Bush was an overwhelming, go get them. Even without the evidence, we are more than justified to go into Iraq and do what we have to do. Even your Precious Kerry was and still is FOR the war.
Okay, so why didn't we deal with someplace like Sudan first? The situation there makes Iraq look like Disneyland.
 

booger711

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Wow, you are dead wrong.

It WASN'T our problem. ALL of our reasons for going to war were FALSE or EXAGGERATED.

Just because we decide to make a confict doesn't obligate the world to clean up our mess.

that is hardly the matter at hand here. regardless of the motives or reasons for this war, there are still soldiers there who face very dangerous circumstances. I have one friend in the army in Iraq and another who's in the marines and shipping out very soon. i agree that we do not have to support and embrace the war itself. but we still need to support the US troops because they are our brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, friends, and fellow Americans.
 

Yax

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Originally posted by: BAMAVOO
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Wow, you are dead wrong.

It WASN'T our problem. ALL of our reasons for going to war were FALSE or EXAGGERATED.

Just because we decide to make a confict doesn't obligate the world to clean up our mess.

His statements were not political. IF ( A BIG GIANT IF) you were president, you would have made the same choice to attack. The evidence set forth to President Bush was an overwhelming, go get them. Even without the evidence, we are more than justified to go into Iraq and do what we have to do. Even your Precious Kerry was and still is FOR the war.

Yeah, its not Bush's fault. Never is.
 

cjchaps

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That's what they want you to think. You think Gore would have gone to war????

Originally posted by: BAMAVOO
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Wow, you are dead wrong.

It WASN'T our problem. ALL of our reasons for going to war were FALSE or EXAGGERATED.

Just because we decide to make a confict doesn't obligate the world to clean up our mess.

His statements were not political. IF ( A BIG GIANT IF) you were president, you would have made the same choice to attack. The evidence set forth to President Bush was an overwhelming, go get them. Even without the evidence, we are more than justified to go into Iraq and do what we have to do. Even your Precious Kerry was and still is FOR the war.
 

Fausto

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Originally posted by: Nitemare
Originally posted by: Fausto
....and here comes the flamewar. :roll:

<---breaks out the hotdogs and marshmallows and cracks open a cold one...
Dammit....I really want a beer but I'm racing this weekend. :(
 

Doboji

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My point here was not to argue about the war... my point here is to express my gratitude to these young maimed soldiers who do not quibble with politics... they unlike the rest of the arguing fools in this thread... are putting their lives where their mouth is... If the rest of us were as selfless as they... situations like Iraq simply wouldn't exist.

STOP THE FLAMES... this isn't about your political beliefs...

-Max
 

RagingBITCH

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You know, I was reading an article about the exact same thing in this month's FHM magazine. Guys who lost limbs from the war. It's a heartwrenching story but every guy in there says he was proud to serve, and instead of feeling sorry for themselves, they're trying to live their lives as normally as possible.

And seriously, take your fricking flaming elsewhere guys. Like P&amp;N
 

imported_KirbsAw

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Originally posted by: xospec1alk
we aren't the worlds police. ask bush or even clinton how come we go into iraq and 'liberate' the people, when countries like sudan now, and tibet still, are facing atrocities from the gov't? yet we sit around and do ntohing about those countries.

At my college there are a lot of refugees from Sudan. It is so bad there and nobody cares. Most people here probably know nothing of the atrocities that are going on.
 

ed21x

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Originally posted by: xospec1alk
we aren't the worlds police. ask bush or even clinton how come we go into iraq and 'liberate' the people, when countries like sudan now, and tibet still, are facing atrocities from the gov't? yet we sit around and do ntohing about those countries.

one country at a time, my friend... serbia, yugoslavia, afghanistan, vietnam, korea, wwII, somalia, iraq.... there will always be countries that need help than we can handle. With tens of thousands of troops stationed in the pacific rim just to maintain the delicate peace in that region, and much more so in the middle east, I would hardly consider us sitting around and doing nothing. However, you can't expect one country to be able to help ALL the people in need.
 

Yossarian

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Originally posted by: Doboji
My point here was not to argue about the war... my point here is to express my gratitude to these young maimed soldiers who do not quibble with politics... they unlike the rest of the arguing fools in this thread... are putting their lives where their mouth is... If the rest of us were as selfless as they... situations like Iraq simply wouldn't exist.

STOP THE FLAMES... this isn't about your political beliefs...

-Max

what you wrote about the troops is clearly heartfelt and I agree completely. however "If the rest of us were as selfless as they... situations like Iraq simply wouldn't exist" is a load of crap. it is not the U.S.'s job to monitor every country in the world to make sure they're being "good". when you write that stuff your message becomes inherently political so people are going to respond in kind.