I'm in favor of Secession, but is it Constitutional?

[bfdd]

I think they're affiliated at a union level.

So travel + amazing benefits? Seriously unions have to much power!

 

[69Mach1]

So travel + amazing benefits? Seriously unions have to much power!

They save a lot on retirement benefits.

 

[rockyct]

Since Lincoln, States cannot leave the Union.... Except Texas, Texas can because it is in their State constitution and was part of the agreement with Texas joining the Union.

Nope, that's a common misconception. They originally could divide Texas into five different states if they wanted to but they could never succeed. Of course, if you have a big enough army you can do whatever the hell you want.

 

[Scotteq]

If you are He-Man enough to get the wolverine into the kitchen after getting it high, then you really don't need the wolverine to accomplish your aims. This would be a step above the Grizzly Bear artificial Insemination team.

Maybe see is it possible to make a friend for life by milking a Bull???

 

[bfdd]

Nope, that's a common misconception. They originally could divide Texas into five different states if they wanted to but they could never succeed. Of course, if you have a big enough army you can do whatever the hell you want.

Pretty sure it's in the Texas Constitution buddy, in fact didn't someone post it in this very thread? Texas joining the Union was a BIG DEAL at the time. Like huge.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Pretty sure it's in the Texas Constitution buddy, in fact didn't someone post it in this very thread? Texas joining the Union was a BIG DEAL at the time. Like huge.

From Article 6 of the United States Constitution:
"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding."

 

[DominionSeraph]

Huh? What the fuck are you talking about? I'm talking legal as in States had the legal right in the Union to leave it.

And I'm saying that there is no legality at that level. Law is a set of meaningless words unless there is power behind it. There is no power above to prevent the center of the Union from disallowing secessionist activity.

That's why I said, "Silly Fundies always thinking God is going to step in;" for "legality" at that level only has meaning if you think God is going to start enforcing the dictate by arresting people. This has never verifiably happened in the history of the world. There isn't even reasonable suspicion that an entity known as "God" exists.

That action was.... ILLEGAL! Lincoln was a piece of shit

Fundies: Always a source of laughable moral structures.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Silly Fundies always thinking God is going to step in

hahahaha...God can do as she pleases....

 

[DominionSeraph]

hahahaha...God can do as she pleases....

Blessed Be Her Holy Hooves.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

most states would be better off returning to territory status. Reclaim lost sovereignty (borders) and toss unfunded fed mandates.

THAT is why the south fought the Civil War, states' rights. People want to make it out to be the Slavery War when, in fact, the states wanted to retain their right to choose what is best for the. Sadly, they were right in the end, having a federal dominant government creates too many problems and sucks up FAR too many resources. I don't know how anyone can go around saying they are a Republican right now when our government is one of the largest companies in the world. Small government my ass.

And don't take that as a lefty slapping you either, I think both sides are off their rockers. Seriously, the only difference between the left and the right is which lobbyist, banker, etc is greasing your palms.

 

[Red Dawn]

Well it depends on the state. If it's Alabama, Kentucky or Arkansas it'd actually be good for the rest.

 

[feralkid]

THAT is why the south fought the Civil War, states' rights.

Exactly. Starting with the right to own slaves.

 

[her209]

Exactly. Starting with the right to own slaves.

Followed by 100 years of segregation.

 

[bfdd]

And I'm saying that there is no legality at that level. Law is a set of meaningless words unless there is power behind it. There is no power above to prevent the center of the Union from disallowing secessionist activity.

That's why I said, "Silly Fundies always thinking God is going to step in;" for "legality" at that level only has meaning if you think God is going to start enforcing the dictate by arresting people. This has never verifiably happened in the history of the world. There isn't even reasonable suspicion that an entity known as "God" exists.



Fundies: Always a source of laughable moral structures.

I don't understand what you're talking about. Legality is a human construct. We put the value behind it, if people don't want to honor that, then sure it doesn't matter, but at the time it was legal in this context. If you don't get that you're just trying to be a snob.

 

[Jhhnn]

Well it depends on the state. If it's Alabama, Kentucky or Arkansas it'd actually be good for the rest.

So, uhh, rednecks would be the new illegals, or whut?

Secession is one of the stupidest most short sighted concepts ever. We all benefit from being a single nation in ways too numerous to mention. In truth, some of the biggest squealers about the subject benefit the most.

It was even stupid 150 years ago, given that the southern aristocracy made as much money or more from sharecroppers as slaves, and didn't have any responsibility for their welfare. They're free, right? Fvck 'em.

Not to mention the death and destruction they brought upon themselves from the Civil War. The notion that the agrarian south could prevail against the industrial north was delusional. The Civil War was the first of modern warfare, where firepower and resources mean more than courage and generalship. The north was plagued by lousy generals until Grant and Sherman came to the fore. And it's not like Grant was a great general, but he knew what he had, and knew that he'd grind the confederates into dust with constant engagement and superior resources. Which is what he did, relentlessly.

 

[Tim]

So when will you be joining Anarchist420?

I second that motion.

Wait... what do you mean majority rule doesn't work in mental institutions?




... and with this waste of a post, I've popped my P&N cherry.

 

[feralkid]

... and with this waste of a post, I've popped my P&N cherry.

O.K. you know the rules; I have to either agree with you or call you an illiterate communist that is worse than Hitler.