I'm in favor of Secession, but is it Constitutional?

[Anarchist420]

While I believe that the States make up the Union and voluntarily joined, the states, possibly unwittingly, relinquished their sovereignty when they joined into a Federal Republic.

Part of being a federation is that it is permanent. Membership in a federation is not voluntary.

OTOH, there is the 9th and 10th Amendments.

That's the problem with the Constitution--there are 2 ways of interpreting it. However, since it's surpreme over the states, the Hamiltonian interpretation will win out.

In any event, secession is a natural right, but the Constitution wasn't exactly designed to protect natural rights.

 

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[feralkid]

oi...................................................

 

[xj0hnx]

posting in an anarchist thread using Comic Sans MS

 

[sMiLeYz]

I'm just glad this kid isn't old enough to buy any guns

 

[bfdd]

Since Lincoln, States cannot leave the Union.... Except Texas, Texas can because it is in their State constitution and was part of the agreement with Texas joining the Union.

 

[Genx87]

Supreme Court already tackled this in the 1870s when they told Texas they were part of a union and had to pay back money it owed to other states from the civil war. Or something to that effect. The ruling said there are two ways out of the union. THe other states vote to let you out or you fight your way out via revolution.

 

[Scotteq]

< Channels the Late George Carlin >


...."just when you think you've hit rock bottom, some asshole comes along and throws you a shovel..."

 

[IGBT]

most states would be better off returning to territory status. Reclaim lost sovereignty (borders) and toss unfunded fed mandates.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Oscar??????

 

[Jaskalas]

I'm in favor of Secession, but is it Constitutional?

Laws that are not enforced do not exist at all.

The real question is, would an American President spill American blood to defeat a state's secession movement? Hell, that's likely a trick question as no one dares remove federal funding from their budget.

The answer to this is not one of legal standing. It is a question regarding the very definition of our Union. Whether it be by compulsion between man and slave, or by volunteering between equals. Whether we are indentured servants or free men.

My own opinion is that no Union justly exists where members are denied self determination. Many people here, and in our nation, feel otherwise.

 

[Anarchist420]

You bet your ass rhat Obama would spill american blood to stop a state from seceding lofl.

 

[Thump553]

Yet one more in a series of proven bad ideas from anarchist420. Any predictions what tomorrow's laugher will be? Repeats not allowed and the idea must already be proven to be a failure.

 

[CallMeJoe]

I think Secession is a wonderful idea.

How soon can you secede from P&N?

 

[feralkid]

Yet one more in a series of proven bad ideas from anarchist420. Any predictions what tomorrow's laugher will be? Repeats not allowed and the idea must already be proven to be a failure.

Has he done magnets?

How about dream manipulation?

 

[Patranus]

I think Secession is a wonderful idea.

How soon can you secede from P&N?

There are irreconcilable differences in this country.

The federal government has far overstepped its bounds and is forcing regions who deal with these differences in ways to deal with them the federal government way. That was never the intent of the constitution.

Just look at the 30% of people who suffer from PDS and think she was responsible for the shooting in AZ.

 

[CrackRabbit]

There are irreconcilable differences in this country.

The federal government has far overstepped its bounds and is forcing regions who deal with these differences in ways to deal with them the federal government way. That was never the intent of the constitution.

Just look at the 30% of people who suffer from PDS and think she was responsible for the shooting in AZ.

So when will you be joining Anarchist420?

 

[Nintendesert]

They can, then they can get their asses Lincolned. I have no problem going into a State and machine gunning every secessionist in sight. We already did this dance over 150 years ago.

 

[Schadenfroh]

My state tried that once, blue soldiers came and burned our major cities down. Went from third wealthiest nation in the world to the poorest region in the reunited America.

I would avoid it...

 

[Infohawk]

We need to know what state Anarchist is in so we can point him to free mental health resources. We don't need a repeat of Arizona.

 

[Scotteq]

We need to know what state Anarchist is in so we can point him to free mental health resources. We don't need a repeat of Arizona.

Maybe we can move him to New York?

 

[bamacre]

They can, then they can get their asses Lincolned. I have no problem going into a State and machine gunning every secessionist in sight. We already did this dance over 150 years ago.

Wow, are you serious?

 

[Pens1566]

Go for it. The usual suspects are usually states that take in more fed $$$ than they give.

 

[bfdd]

They can, then they can get their asses Lincolned. I have no problem going into a State and machine gunning every secessionist in sight. We already did this dance over 150 years ago.

fuck you buddy.

 

[piasabird]

The constitution is just a working document. It was meant to change with the times.

Can we just seceed Chicago from the State of Illinois??

The constitution did not stop the Communist Health Care . . . ?