I'm gonna go slightly conservative here, and say that liberals caused the issue between Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts.

[pauldun170]

To the best of my knowledge, both organizations are private clubs. They are not public (government) organizations.
The liberals somehow managed to force the Boy Scouts to start accepting females. Now the Girl Scouts are complaining they cant compete, recruitment-wise. I have no idea what the problem is, maybe the Boy Scouts make a better sales pitch. They had one club for each of the sexes and for over a hundred years there were no problems. Then liberals decided everything had to be supposedly equal and now they're causing more issues than they fixed.
On top of which there are a great many private clubs in America that accept both both and girls and go out camping not to mention traditional summer camps so its not like people were desperate for options.

I'm in Scouting.
Scouting internationally - > COED for a long time. US is the oddball
Boy Scouts or America - > Had Venturing which was coed.
Girls have been part of Boy Scouts for years. From coed Troops overseas to Venturing and Leadership in the US.
Since I got involved, girls have always been present and women serve in all sorts of roles from Scoutmasters to "executive".
Girls had tried to get into the Boy Scouts core program for a long time.
I still recall these folks - https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/North-Bay-girls-who-want-to-be-Boy-Scouts-get-6630950.php

Let me recap - Girls have been part of Boy Scouts of America for quite some time.

BSA ended gender\sex discrimination and stop putting up roadblocks for girls who wanted to do the core program.
So Girl Scouts is now pissed that BSA no longer discriminates based on sex or gender. Wonderful

As for "Liberals" influence on scouting, they also ended the bullshit against LGBT.
They also worked their ass off to put in policies to prevent the old creepy Christian conservative white men from molesting children.

Girls Scouts is pissed because cookie revenue took a dump this year

 

[Greenman]

Sad to see scouts go down the shitter. I remember teaching the kids in my den how to weld, run a chain saw, repair plumbing, thinks a gentleman should know how to do.

 

[Bitek]

Did scouts for a number of years, but not too seriously as it was boring AF.

Never went on a hike or camping once. Never learned a knot. This is growing up in CO. WTF.

Lots of meeting in Weird Dads' dens tho. No ass raping thankfully.

Pinewood derby was fun. Only thing I can tell recall we actually did.

Both are lame. I'm fine if they burn down and get replaced by a real outdoor club that doesn't scam/rape children while pushing Jesus.

 

[brycejones]

Sad to see scouts go down the shitter. I remember teaching the kids in my den how to weld, run a chain saw, repair plumbing, thinks a gentleman should know how to do.

How are the scouts going down the shitter?

 

[IronWing]

How is scouts going down the shitter?

They're going down the shitter because some of the adults couldn't restrain themselves from going up the shitter.

 

[Paratus]

This is a very revisionist history. Boy Scouts welcomed girls on their own because their membership was dropping. It hurt the girl scouts because they are still teaching girls how to prepare for life in the 1950s and are basically a front for a cookie distribution company (with unpaid child labor).

I'd consider letting my daughter do Boy Scouts. Absolutely no way she'll do girl scouts unless they move very forward very soon.

I’d say it depends on your troop leader and local council.

My wife is a Girl Scout troop leader and there is absolutely nothing she teaches that could be consider “preparing for the 1950’s”.

She teaches the girls about leadership, the environment, service, etc.

Girls Scouts is non-denominational and inclusive, unlike Boy Scouts, so they welcome Scouts who aren’t Christian.

I’m much happier with the experience my daughter is getting from Girls Scouts than the one my son got from Boy Scouts (outside of pine wood derby)

 

[pauldun170]

Girls Scouts is non-denominational and inclusive, unlike Boy Scouts, so they welcome Scouts who aren’t Christian.

That is 100% false.
Both Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts are both non-denominational.
If you have Boy Scout troops pushing Christianity in your area, they are ignoring BSA training and policy.
Go to any Jamboree and you'll find all faith present from Hindu to Budhist to Jewish. Our Summer Scout Camps biggest attraction is the Rabbi.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Both are probably dying.

Thanks to things like Smartphones, social media, and overall dependence on technology this isn't a gender-based thing.

Boys don't want to go outside and learn to camp just as much as girls don't want to learn to knit and cook anymore.

 

[shortylickens]

The girl scouts were always non-religious but the boy scouts were fiercely christian for most of their existence until recently. It led to many news stories whenever a jew or atheist tried to join.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Both are probably dying.

Thanks to things like Smartphones, social media, and overall dependence on technology this isn't a gender-based thing.

Boys don't want to go outside and learn to camp just as much as girls don't want to learn to knit and cook anymore.

Go back a little further. Off shoring of jobs, move to a 24x7 service industry, and yes...video games drove this earlier than tech stuff. What you cited added to it, but it was moving there before those is what I'm saying.

 

[pauldun170]

The girl scouts were always non-religious but the boy scouts were fiercely christian for most of their existence until recently. It led to many news stories whenever a jew or atheist tried to join.

You should try being truthful
The first exclusively Jewish troop was formed in 1913, according to the National Jewish Committee on Scouting, at the 92nd Street Y in Manhattan. By 1957, 1,367 troops were sponsored by Jewish institutions.

 

[ch33zw1z]

^^ I think shorty is referring to the Royal Rangers

 

[nakedfrog]

Both are probably dying.

Thanks to things like Smartphones, social media, and overall dependence on technology this isn't a gender-based thing.

Boys don't want to go outside and learn to camp just as much as girls don't want to learn to knit and cook anymore.

Eh, but when they go glamping they can post to social media for likes, same as when they knit a Baby Yoda and post it, etc.

 

[pauldun170]

^^ I think shorty is referring to the Royal Rangers

Not going to lie. Thought the link was going to jump to the British interpretation of the the "Rusty Trombone"
Wasn't far off
Guess they are there to combat all the Muslim and Hindu Scouts in their big crusade.

Countries With The Highest Number Of Scouts

Since 1907, the Scouting movement has been a grand success and has spread from the UK to 216 countries and territories worldwide.

www.worldatlas.com

Both Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts take a very relaxed view on the religious aspect.
Neither push any religion
Boy Scout Oath
“On my honor I will do my best to do my Duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;”

Girl Scout Promise
On my honor, I will try: To serve God* and my country, To help people at all times, And to live by the Girl Scout Law.
* Members may substitute for the word God in accordance with their own spiritual beliefs.

The difference is BSA sticks to its guns and basically says "Believe in some sort of spaghettis monster and put some effort into it because that's the oath"
Girl Scouts went the other rout and is basically don't ask don't tell and by the way you don't have to say the promise is you don't want to and we won't ask about you being an Atheist as long as you don't do any Atheist stuff and please sell cookies because we really want you to sell cookies and things and stuff but spiritualty is more important but even though the promise say god you don't have to say god because cookie season is coming up.

If you kid is in Scouts (Boy or Girl) and some guy starts quoting scripture, you need to tell them to shut up and retake their training.

 

[ch33zw1z]

My Boy Scouts XP was very non religious. I was raised with royal rangers, so Boy Scouts seemed pretty low key in that area. Any member was free to practice religion in their own way. Im in NE tho, so maybe different in more Christian areas. As pointed out earlier, the leadership makes a big difference

 

[Paratus]

That is 100% false.
Both Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts are both non-denominational.
If you have Boy Scout troops pushing Christianity in your area, they are ignoring BSA training and policy.
Go to any Jamboree and you'll find all faith present from Hindu to Budhist to Jewish. Our Summer Scout Camps biggest attraction is the Rabbi.

Sorry you’re right. It was agnostics/atheists they have an issue with as there was a religious badge he would have had to get to continue on. As everyone in the troop was christian and its been a number of years I forgot the distinction.

Girls Scouts are fine with atheists.

 

[pauldun170]

My Boy Scouts XP was very non religious. I was raised with royal rangers, so Boy Scouts seemed pretty low key in that area. Any member was free to practice religion in their own way. Im in NE tho, so maybe different in more Christian areas. As pointed out earlier, the leadership makes a big difference

Local leadership shapes the Troops.
You get the Troops run as military prep school.
You get the "prayer brigade"
You get the "Can you put on a band-aid? Good. You earned the life saving merit badge and now lets wait for your father to finish building that park bench that will be no questions asked for your eagle project"
You get the "Dad really wants to go camping so the Troop is going camping again and the leaders are bringing the fancy grills and will be doing all the cooking. Use those knots we showed you to put the rain tarp up so we don't get wet when we cook up these ribs and DONT TOUCH IT...I JUST GOT THAT SET perfect." Troop.
You get the "We're going camping this weekend! Booked the hotel last month and got a good rate" Troop.
You get the "Oh sure, we hike at least once a month. We did a mile hike just the other day!!.

Then you get the Troops "We backpacked 20 miles in, set up on a mountain ridge and then as a service project we built a safety railing along steepest part. One of the leaders had a heart attack and the boys carried him, (with one 5 boys rotating out performing cpr on a portable platform they build on the fly) 15 miles to a clearing where the helicopter could safely land."

 

[ch33zw1z]

Local leadership shapes the Troops.
You get the Troops run as military prep school.
You get the "prayer brigade"
You get the "Can you put on a band-aid? Good. You earned the life saving merit badge and now lets wait for your father to finish building that park bench that will be no questions asked for your eagle project"
You get the "Dad really wants to go camping so the Troop is going camping again and the leaders are bringing the fancy grills and will be doing all the cooking. Use those knots we showed you to put the rain tarp up so we don't get wet when we cook up these ribs and DONT TOUCH IT...I JUST GOT THAT SET perfect." Troop.
You get the "We're going camping this weekend! Booked the hotel last month and got a good rate" Troop.
You get the "Oh sure, we hike at least once a month. We did a mile hike just the other day!!.

Then you get the Troops "We backpacked 20 miles in, set up on a mountain ridge and then as a service project we built a safety railing along steepest part. One of the leaders had a heart attack and the boys carried him, (with one 5 boys rotating out performing cpr on a portable platform they build on the fly) 15 miles to a clearing where the helicopter could safely land."

Lol, nailed it.

 

[pauldun170]

Sorry you’re right. It was agnostics/atheists they have an issue with as there was a religious badge he would have had to get to continue on.

Girls Scouts are fine with atheists.

Girl Scouts started loosening up in the 90's on the religious aspect and they quickly change the subject if you say "Atheism". They try and shift the topic to spirituality. I've yet to find an "official" position.
What about Atheist who don't want to play the "spirituality game"?

Now that the Mormons have jumped ship, one would hope that Boy Scouts would start taking the same steps. However, they are still being dicks about it.
At the very least, at hasn't stopped Atheists from filling the ranks of Scouts. There are Atheist all over the place in Scouting. It's currently at the "don't ask don't tell stage"

 

[Zorba]

I’d say it depends on your troop leader and local council.

My wife is a Girl Scout troop leader and there is absolutely nothing she teaches that could be consider “preparing for the 1950’s”.

She teaches the girls about leadership, the environment, service, etc.

Girls Scouts is non-denominational and inclusive, unlike Boy Scouts, so they welcome Scouts who aren’t Christian.

I’m much happier with the experience my daughter is getting from Girls Scouts than the one my son got from Boy Scouts (outside of pine wood derby)

My daughter isn't quite old enough for any scouts. But when I looked into girl scouts several years ago it definitely appeared like there were far more badges for domestic activities than outdoor activities.