I'm gonna go slightly conservative here, and say that liberals caused the issue between Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts.

[shortylickens]

To the best of my knowledge, both organizations are private clubs. They are not public (government) organizations.
The liberals somehow managed to force the Boy Scouts to start accepting females. Now the Girl Scouts are complaining they cant compete, recruitment-wise. I have no idea what the problem is, maybe the Boy Scouts make a better sales pitch. They had one club for each of the sexes and for over a hundred years there were no problems. Then liberals decided everything had to be supposedly equal and now they're causing more issues than they fixed.
On top of which there are a great many private clubs in America that accept both both and girls and go out camping not to mention traditional summer camps so its not like people were desperate for options.

 

[zzyzxroad]

To the best of my knowledge, both organizations are private clubs. They are not public (government) organizations.
The liberals somehow managed to force the Boy Scouts to start accepting females. Now the Girl Scouts are complaining they cant compete, recruitment-wise. I have no idea what the problem is, maybe the Boy Scouts make a better sales pitch. They had one club for each of the sexes and for over a hundred years there were no problems. Then liberals decided everything had to be supposedly equal and now they're causing more issues than they fixed.
On top of which there are a great many private clubs in America that accept both both and girls and go out camping not to mention traditional summer camps so its not like people were desperate for options.

Not that I really care about the subject but what exact issues are being cased here?

 

[shortylickens]

Not that I really care about the subject but what exact issues are being cased here?

boy scouts girl scouts - Google Suche

www.google.com

 

[IronWing]

The Boy Scouts let girls in because the Boy Scouts was a dying organization and letting girls in doubled their potential base. It was a survival move, not a "liberal" move. Now with the sexual predation lawsuits flying, the Boy Scouts are toast anyway.

 

[brycejones]

boy scouts girl scouts - Google Suche

www.google.com

Can’t use your own words?

 

[ch33zw1z]

TMK, boy scouts was seeing a massive decline in enrollment. IMO, this is mainly caused by the fact that one person's income cannot support a family, compounded by a move towards a service industry that demands 24x7 service. The regular 9-5 and weekends off schtick has largely gone away.

IMO, combine them.

 

[MrSquished]

I think part of the problem is competition and evolution. Girl scouts didn't really start offering much in the way of outdoor activities like the Boy Scouts did and maybe parents are more evolved these days, they don't want their girls pigeonholed into gender stereotyped typical roles only. From this article from Outside magazine: https://www.outsideonline.com/2170791/we-are-next-generation-rippers this was in 2017 and was a pilot program "This weekend is part of a yearlong pilot program for Colorado scouts called Outdoor Adventure Club, designed to test the concept of delivering high-order, full-on, risk-taking fun. You know, like the Boy Scouts." ....."Troops are getting the message that tweens are ready to wiggle out of their sashes and embark on some real exploration "

Maybe the Girl Scouts got the message a bit late and are having problems marketing it well now that they have these pilot programs.

 

[Dulanic]

Yeah I think letting girls in was purely a declining membership thing only.

 

[zzyzxroad]

Am I wrong in my belief that the girl scouts is a cookie selling scheme?

 

[shortylickens]

Can’t use your own words?

I'm gonna go slightly conservative here, and say that liberals caused the issue between Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts.

To the best of my knowledge, both organizations are private clubs. They are not public (government) organizations. The liberals somehow managed to force the Boy Scouts to start accepting females. Now the Girl Scouts are complaining they cant compete, recruitment-wise. I have no idea what the...

forums.anandtech.com

 

[zzyzxroad]

I'm gonna go slightly conservative here, and say that liberals caused the issue between Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts.

To the best of my knowledge, both organizations are private clubs. They are not public (government) organizations. The liberals somehow managed to force the Boy Scouts to start accepting females. Now the Girl Scouts are complaining they cant compete, recruitment-wise. I have no idea what the...

forums.anandtech.com

Still not seeing what the problem is.

 

[KMFJD]

Why not just call them scouts and begone with the gender based clubs? Is it that big of an issue that they must be segregated?

 

[pmv]

The whole thing is just kind-of bizarre.

I was in the Cub Scouts for about a week, as a child. Decided I didn't care for it, didn't go back. The 'origin story' of the Scouts puts me off anyway. It's all rooted in Empire and white supremacy, it seems to me.

 

[brycejones]

I'm gonna go slightly conservative here, and say that liberals caused the issue between Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts.

To the best of my knowledge, both organizations are private clubs. They are not public (government) organizations. The liberals somehow managed to force the Boy Scouts to start accepting females. Now the Girl Scouts are complaining they cant compete, recruitment-wise. I have no idea what the...

forums.anandtech.com

Still waiting for you to explain how the "liberals" caused anything. As you've pointed out they are private organizations. So if they've made changes wouldn't it be because they felt those changes were in the best interest of their organization?

 

[kage69]

Why is some strife between the two orgs more important than what looks like long term/widespread sexual assault that happened in The Boy Scouts? Shouldn't that be the focus of your ire?

Bigger fish to fry

I grudgingly took my eldest to Scouts a couple years ago. He took it seriously, but 90% of the others didn't so most meets were just chaos, with a side thing of adults socializing. 5th or 6th meet they started bringing jesus into it, but I kept silent. Leader was nice enough, couple of the dads I could do without and same for their progeny. I let my son figure it out on his own, and he did. Apparently my bushcraft and nature walks are far superior anyway. He can always bring a couple friends too if he wants.

BSoA can follow the NRA down a hole far as I'm concerned. America is better off without'em.

 

[iRONic]

Weird thread...

 

[zzyzxroad]

Weird thread...

Indeed. I believe this qualifies as a first world problem.

 

[Zorba]

To the best of my knowledge, both organizations are private clubs. They are not public (government) organizations.
The liberals somehow managed to force the Boy Scouts to start accepting females. Now the Girl Scouts are complaining they cant compete, recruitment-wise. I have no idea what the problem is, maybe the Boy Scouts make a better sales pitch. They had one club for each of the sexes and for over a hundred years there were no problems. Then liberals decided everything had to be supposedly equal and now they're causing more issues than they fixed.
On top of which there are a great many private clubs in America that accept both both and girls and go out camping not to mention traditional summer camps so its not like people were desperate for options.

This is a very revisionist history. Boy Scouts welcomed girls on their own because their membership was dropping. It hurt the girl scouts because they are still teaching girls how to prepare for life in the 1950s and are basically a front for a cookie distribution company (with unpaid child labor).

I'd consider letting my daughter do Boy Scouts. Absolutely no way she'll do girl scouts unless they move very forward very soon.

 

[Zorba]

FYI: https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/just-in-boy-scouts-will-allow-boys-girls.2522141/

 

[nakedfrog]

The whole thing is just kind-of bizarre.

I was in the Cub Scouts for about a week, as a child. Decided I didn't care for it, didn't go back. The 'origin story' of the Scouts puts me off anyway. It's all rooted in Empire and white supremacy, it seems to me.

I don't remember how long I was in, but the pinewood derby and raingutter regatta were neat.

I grudgingly took my eldest to Scouts a couple years ago. He took it seriously, but 90% of the others didn't so most meets were just chaos, with a side thing of adults socializing. 5th or 6th meet they started bringing jesus into it, but I kept silent. Leader was nice enough, couple of the dads I could do without and same for their progeny. I let my son figure it out on his own, and he did. Apparently my bushcraft and nature walks are far superior anyway. He can always bring a couple friends too if he wants.

...and then we moved to Utah, and I quit.

 

[zzyzxroad]

Why is some strife between the two orgs more important than what looks like long term/widespread sexual assault that happened in The Boy Scouts? Shouldn't that be the focus of your ire?

Bigger fish to fry

I grudgingly took my eldest to Scouts a couple years ago. He took it seriously, but 90% of the others didn't so most meets were just chaos, with a side thing of adults socializing. 5th or 6th meet they started bringing jesus into it, but I kept silent. Leader was nice enough, couple of the dads I could do without and same for their progeny. I let my son figure it out on his own, and he did. Apparently my bushcraft and nature walks are far superior anyway. He can always bring a couple friends too if he wants.

BSoA can follow the NRA down a hole far as I'm concerned. America is better off without'em.

I think I was really lucky to be in a group that was really into the outdoor activities and not at all into the doctrine. We practiced building bridges and tying knots during meetings.
I backpack camped, rock climbed, spelunked and cliff dived all for the first time in the scouts.

 

[nakedfrog]

Oh yeah, the coolest thing we did when I was in Cub Scouts was camping near Mt. Fuji and going to a bath house (I lived in Japan at the time)

 

[zinfamous]

Oh, I thought shorty was blaming the liberals for the rape issue in the boyscouts--the only issue that I thought could be "the boyscout problem" Like, is there actually any real problem with this organization beyond "They have been raping children for fucking decades"? Is there, really?

....but it's not that, and further, it's that they are dying....but not because of the rape thing.

lol, how is your concern anything but the fact that they've been doing the rape for their entire existence? We are now looking at this, rationally, as an organization that only ever existed to provide victims for sociopathic evangelical self-hating pervert rapists. That's basically...all if ever fucking was, because now we know why it existed, and why it persisted for so long.

It's not like there can be any other story behind the failure of this organization now, when we actually know what the fuck it was this whole time, lol.

 

[SmCaudata]

The liberals were angry at Boy Scouts because they were given a lot of preferential treatment while promoting a stereotypical straight, white, American Life. They were an openly homophobic organization that was allowed to use public taxpayer funded properties to speak their agenda.

It turns out that claiming that gay leaders were not safe for the boys was more right wing projection since all the straight leaders were engaging in abuse. It was basically the same story as Qanon today.

As others have said, they had declining enrollment due to their rigid views and adherence to "the good old days." They failed to adapt well. Then they opened enrollment to women. The org will die due to decades of covering up abuse. Good riddance to any group that shelters predators.

 

[zzyzxroad]

Oh, I thought shorty was blaming the liberals for the rape issue in the boyscouts--the only issue that I thought could be "the boyscout problem" Like, is there actually any real problem with this organization beyond "They have been raping children for fucking decades"? Is there, really?

....but it's not that, and further, it's that they are dying....but not because of the rape thing.

lol, how is your concern anything but the fact that they've been doing the rape for their entire existence? We are now looking at this, rationally, as an organization that only ever existed to provide victims for sociopathic evangelical self-hating pervert rapists. That's basically...all if ever fucking was, because now we know why it existed, and why it persisted for so long.

It's not like there can be any other story behind the failure of this organization now, when we actually know what the fuck it was this whole time, lol.

Maybe he is Catholic?