"I'm gay and I'm voting No. Here's why." (Anti-Gay Propaganda)

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Gizmo j

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@finglobes

You do know that surrogacy exist right?

If you put 1000 homosexuals on an island they would still be able to breed.

Even before gay people were excepted in society it was common in literally EVERY culture to hire someone to bare children when your wife was unable to, this even happened in the Bible with Jacob.

It was also common to hire a man to donate sperm when it seemed that the husband was sterile. Read history.
 

nickqt

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@finglobes

You do know that surrogacy exist right?

If you put 1000 homosexuals on an island they would still be able to breed.

Even before gay people were excepted in society it was common in literally EVERY culture to hire someone to bare children when your wife was unable to, this even happened in the Bible with Jacob.

It was also common to hire a man to donate sperm when it seemed that the husband was sterile. Read history.

You're trying to reason with a crumbling brick wall.

You lose.
 

irishScott

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This just in, some idiots started a youtube channel! Please feel free to join me and the rest of the internet in wasting several minutes fuming over this horrendous atrocity that we can do nothing about! Bitching is good!
 

finglobes

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@finglobes

You do know that surrogacy exist right?

If you put 1000 homosexuals on an island they would still be able to breed.

Even before gay people were excepted in society it was common in literally EVERY culture to hire someone to bare children when your wife was unable to, this even happened in the Bible with Jacob.

It was also common to hire a man to donate sperm when it seemed that the husband was sterile. Read history.


Surrogacy, turkey basters, genetic gymnastics (its now legal in UK for 3 parent babies - lovely) - doesn't alter the fact that two males can't reproduce anything but STDs - highly lethal ones at that. Between 20 and 30 percent of homosexuals has HIV depending on skin color (blacks have higher rates). Its just bizarre that Obama calls football too dnagerous while he pushes a death style (and women into combat - girls who can't pass exercises go into combat but boys shouldn't play football. Our age is defined by its lunacy).
 

sandorski

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Surrogacy, turkey basters, genetic gymnastics (its now legal in UK for 3 parent babies - lovely) - doesn't alter the fact that two males can't reproduce anything but STDs - highly lethal ones at that. Between 20 and 30 percent of homosexuals has HIV depending on skin color (blacks have higher rates). Its just bizarre that Obama calls football too dnagerous while he pushes a death style (and women into combat - girls who can't pass exercises go into combat but boys shouldn't play football. Our age is defined by its lunacy).

The only lunacy here is your senseless ranting. I mean Football, really? A true man wrestles Lions and Bears. Pansy.
 

SMOGZINN

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doesn't alter the fact that two males can't reproduce anything but STDs - highly lethal ones at that.
Still not sure why that matters. Either group on an isolated island would probably die off before 100 years. Islands are very limited ecological niche and unless it is massive it is easily destroyed.

Also, there are no more "highly lethal" STDs.
 

Moonbeam

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Surrogacy, turkey basters, genetic gymnastics (its now legal in UK for 3 parent babies - lovely) - doesn't alter the fact that two males can't reproduce anything but STDs - highly lethal ones at that. Between 20 and 30 percent of homosexuals has HIV depending on skin color (blacks have higher rates). Its just bizarre that Obama calls football too dnagerous while he pushes a death style (and women into combat - girls who can't pass exercises go into combat but boys shouldn't play football. Our age is defined by its lunacy).

I know what terrifies you more than all these things and it's Psychotherapy.
 

Gizmo j

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Surrogacy, turkey basters, genetic gymnastics (its now legal in UK for 3 parent babies - lovely) - doesn't alter the fact that two males can't reproduce anything but STDs - highly lethal ones at that. Between 20 and 30 percent of homosexuals has HIV depending on skin color (blacks have higher rates). Its just bizarre that Obama calls football too dnagerous while he pushes a death style (and women into combat - girls who can't pass exercises go into combat but boys shouldn't play football. Our age is defined by its lunacy).
The reason gay men have a higher chance of STDs is because many believe that they don't need a condom because there is no chance of either of them getting pregnant, it has nothing to do with them having sex with other males.

Condoms are made for 2 reasons, protection from pregnancy and protection from STDs.

Any Biological Scientist will tell you that gay sex is no more dangerous then hetero sex.

And black people are not "at higher risk" of STDs its just that in America the black community currently has the lowest income out of all of the major racial groups which means they have less healthcare and education. Lack of healthcare+education means more diseases.

And about the women in combat thing, no one (including women) is permitted into combat UNTIL they pass the physical qualifications and training.....meaning they CAN pass the exercises.
 
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brycejones

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Surrogacy, turkey basters, genetic gymnastics (its now legal in UK for 3 parent babies - lovely) - doesn't alter the fact that two males can't reproduce anything but STDs - highly lethal ones at that. Between 20 and 30 percent of homosexuals has HIV depending on skin color (blacks have higher rates). Its just bizarre that Obama calls football too dnagerous while he pushes a death style (and women into combat - girls who can't pass exercises go into combat but boys shouldn't play football. Our age is defined by its lunacy).

Its so lovely you've decided to start posting on a regular basis. This forum has been missing posts from the truly mentally challenged since several of the previous winners got themselves banned.

You're like some odd cross between a hiking Texan and a lover of toasters.
 

CitizenKain

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Put two alike poles of a magnet together and they repel each other. Connect a plug to an outlet and you get electric. Try to connect two plugs and you get nothing. Put a 1000 normal couples on an isolated island and come back in 100 years. Put a 1000 homosexual pairings toegther on an isolated island and come back in 100 years. Everything is easy with common sense.

Undiagnosed Mental Disorder.txt right there.

I don't see where the "Putting all the scary gays on a island" means anything related to reality. I know, reality and you aren't on speaking terms, but bear with me.
See, humans aren't isolated on an island. There are lots of them. A large majority are heterosexual, or at least only go gay on the weekends. So the island example doesn't really work for anyone but the insane.
I mean, if we were sending out a crew to colonize a distant planet, then yea, making sure that you don't send 1000 men is probably a good idea. But you could send 1000 women and a couple trays of sperm. That part is common sense, not DudeIsland, that is something only crazy rightwingers invent, probably because they want to go there.
 

Vaux

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Any Biological Scientist will tell you that gay sex is no more dangerous then hetero sex.

That's bullshit. Males who have sex with other males are 20 times more likely to have anal cancer. Perhaps you weren't aware of this, but your ass was made for exit only.
 

Vaux

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I don't see where the "Putting all the scary gays on a island" means anything related to reality.

Yeah I have said being gay was bad because if we were all gay, the human race would cease to exist. Then people say... well, people aren't all gay, that has no basis in reality and would never happen so it's pointless.

So let's say meth then. Methamphetamine is bad too. Thousands are addicted to it, but hey, since not everyone would be addicted to meth, well I guess it's ok then, too.

Let's have a meth pride parade! YAY!
 

Gizmo j

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That's bullshit. Males who have sex with other males are 20 times more likely to have anal cancer. Perhaps you weren't aware of this, but your ass was made for exit only.
No....sex of any kind can not cause cancer you dumbass.

There is however an STD called "HPV" (the most common STD) that seems to increase the chances of cancer in the location it was in contacted from, but this is not exclusive to "anal sex" it can EASILY be obtained from vaginal, oral, and even hand sex.

Yeah I have said being gay was bad because if we were all gay, the human race would cease to exist. Then people say... well, people aren't all gay, that has no basis in reality and would never happen so it's pointless.

So let's say meth then. Methamphetamine is bad too. Thousands are addicted to it, but hey, since not everyone would be addicted to meth, well I guess it's ok then, too.

Let's have a meth pride parade! YAY!

The reason people are against meth is because it seriously hurts the person using it, homosexuality hurts no one.

And the reason people use the argument "people aren't all gay" is to show you how stupid it is to make that analogy.

It's like saying "we should ban doctors because if everyone were doctors their would be no farmers to grow food and the human race would starve to death".
 

Vaux

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No....sex of any kind can not cause cancer you dumbass.

There is however an STD called "HPV" (the most common STD) that seems to increase the chances of cancer in the location it was in contacted from, but this is not exclusive to "anal sex" it can EASILY be obtained from vaginal, oral, and even hand sex.



The reason people are against meth is because it seriously hurts the person using it, homosexuality hurts no one.

And the reason people use the argument "people aren't all gay" is to show you how stupid it is to make that analogy.

It's like saying "we should ban doctors because if everyone were doctors their would be no farmers to grow food and the human race would starve to death".

I misread where you were going with that first part, perhaps putting an object in your ass does not lead to cancer, but I am not a doctor so I don't know what exactly the risks of that are.

And about the second part, homosexuality does indeed hurt people. You know full well how much more of a risk you are to get all kinds of diseases, which can be easily spread to others. At least meth stays in your own body.

My analogy still stands. There is nothing wrong with being a doctor so your analogy does not.
 

Gizmo j

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And about the second part, homosexuality does indeed hurt people. You know full well how much more of a risk you are to get all kinds of diseases, which can be easily spread to others. At least meth stays in your own body.

As I said a few post ago, The reason gay men have a higher chance of STDs is because many believe that they don't need a condom because there is no chance of either of them getting pregnant, it has nothing to do with them having sex with other males.

Condoms are made for 2 reasons, protection from pregnancy and protection from STDs.

Another example, men who either had a vasectomy or testicular cancer have a much higher chance of having a STD, the reason for this is because many of these men believe they do not need a condom because they cannot impregnate a woman which makes it more likely for them to catch a STD. Its the same thing with gay men.

My analogy still stands. There is nothing wrong with being a doctor so your analogy does not.
(facepalm)
 

mikeymikec

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As I said a few post ago, The reason gay men have a higher chance of STDs is because many believe that they don't need a condom because there is no chance of either of them getting pregnant, it has nothing to do with them having sex with other males.

Interestingly, rates of STDs have been going up because an increasing number of hetero people believe they don't need a condom because they're having hetero sex and you can't get STDs through hetero sex. :)
 

K1052

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And about the second part, homosexuality does indeed hurt people. You know full well how much more of a risk you are to get all kinds of diseases, which can be easily spread to others.

Men are more inclined to casual sex so naturally gay men will have a higher incidence of STIs, this isn't rocket science. If you aren't sleeping with men I don't see how this would be of the slightest concern to you personally. Your meth argument it a red herring, nothing more.
 

CitizenKain

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Yeah I have said being gay was bad because if we were all gay, the human race would cease to exist. Then people say... well, people aren't all gay, that has no basis in reality and would never happen so it's pointless.

So let's say meth then. Methamphetamine is bad too. Thousands are addicted to it, but hey, since not everyone would be addicted to meth, well I guess it's ok then, too.

Let's have a meth pride parade! YAY!

Listen, if you aren't smart enough to come up with something worthwhile, save us all the trouble of reading your nonsense. I mean, you think anal sex causes cancer, that is amazing. Did your youth pastor come up with that one?
 

Vaux

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As I said a few post ago, The reason gay men have a higher chance of STDs is because many believe that they don't need a condom because there is no chance of either of them getting pregnant, it has nothing to do with them having sex with other males.

Condoms are made for 2 reasons, protection from pregnancy and protection from STDs.

Another example, men who either had a vasectomy or testicular cancer have a much higher chance of having a STD, the reason for this is because many of these men believe they do not need a condom because they cannot impregnate a woman which makes it more likely for them to catch a STD. Its the same thing with gay men.

(facepalm)

The red herring is you trying to pass off men having sex with men as harmless. Your reasoning why gays are thinking they don't need condoms is equal to saying smokers have no idea about lung cancer.

So if gays wore condoms sex would be safer... yeah great. And if worms had guns, birds wouldn't eat them. Both are not happening. You are totally passing over reality - what is actually happening, and the fact is, that is leading a homosexual lifestyle is WAY more prone to disease. Here is a good summary:

Men having sex with other men leads to greater health risks than men having sex with women19 not only because of promiscuity but also because of the nature of sex among men. A British researcher summarizes the danger as follows:
"Male homosexual behaviour is not simply either 'active' or 'passive,' since penile-anal, mouth-penile, and hand-anal sexual contact is usual for both partners, and mouth-anal contact is not infrequent. . . . Mouth-anal contact is the reason for the relatively high incidence of diseases caused by bowel pathogens in male homosexuals. Trauma may encourage the entry of micro-organisms and thus lead to primary syphilitic lesions occurring in the anogenital area. . . . In addition to sodomy, trauma may be caused by foreign bodies, including stimulators of various kinds, penile adornments, and prostheses."20​
Although the specific activities addressed below may be practiced by heterosexuals at times, homosexual men engage in these activities to a far greater extent.21


Anal intercourse is the sine qua non of sex for many gay men.22 Yet human physiology makes it clear that the body was not designed to accommodate this activity. The rectum is significantly different from the vagina with regard to suitability for penetration by a penis. The vagina has natural lubricants and is supported by a network of muscles. It is composed of a mucus membrane with a multi-layer stratified squamous epithelium that allows it to endure friction without damage and to resist the immunological actions caused by semen and sperm. In comparison, the anus is a delicate mechanism of small muscles that comprise an "exit-only" passage. With repeated trauma, friction and stretching, the sphincter loses its tone and its ability to maintain a tight seal. Consequently, anal intercourse leads to leakage of fecal material that can easily become chronic.
The potential for injury is exacerbated by the fact that the intestine has only a single layer of cells separating it from highly vascular tissue, that is, blood. Therefore, any organisms that are introduced into the rectum have a much easier time establishing a foothold for infection than they would in a vagina. The single layer tissue cannot withstand the friction associated with penile penetration, resulting in traumas that expose both participants to blood, organisms in feces, and a mixing of bodily fluids.



In summary: Dicks don't belong in your ass, nothing does. You cannot throw a condom at this problem and pass it off as normal behavior.
 

Vaux

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Men are more inclined to casual sex so naturally gay men will have a higher incidence of STIs, this isn't rocket science. If you aren't sleeping with men I don't see how this would be of the slightest concern to you personally. Your meth argument it a red herring, nothing more.

Great, we agree that the gay lifestyle leads to more disease.

It is of concern to me though, like the meth argument. Do you do meth? If you don't, I don't see how that would be of the slightest concern to you personally. I guess that makes it ok?
 

Vaux

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Listen, if you aren't smart enough to come up with something worthwhile, save us all the trouble of reading your nonsense. I mean, you think anal sex causes cancer, that is amazing. Did your youth pastor come up with that one?

Religion is a farce and has no part of my argument.