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I'm disappointed with Forza 2.

VIAN

Diamond Member
Forza 2 is my first Forza experience and I'm at level 19... disappointed (hate the spelling of this word).

Disappointments:
Graphics - The sky really annoys me since it functions in a way that reminds me of those old car racing game toys where a picture of the car is stationary and the track is a picture on a backlit rotating cylinder. It doesn't look realistic because it warps like the fish bowl lens, which makes it distracting.

The tracks are done nicely, but the cars, although the polygon power is there, everything else seems mediocre. All the car models have the glossiest gloss ever. If you put a 40 watt light bulb above the car, I bet the whole roof would shine white. Just like it does in practically every race. Even when just checking out the cars, it's as if non-gloss paint never existed in vehicles; even the old ones. The reflections on the car are also low resolution. Not the best I've seen.

Career - I didn't expect this. I wanted to race with the cars I wanted to race with. I don't care about racing with the Quattro, one of the worst FWD cars (look at your wheel temps). I wonder what advantage it has on a racing track? It can't turn for it's life! Nor do I want to race with any mid-engine cars, since, contrary to it's reputation over at wikipedia, this type of layout is the worst handling POS ever. Spin-out here, try to counter, spin-out the other way. Why do I have to be tortured with these shoddy vehicles?! After upgrading it's handling, it was better, but still very pathetic in comparison to FWD or RWD.

All I want to do is drive the car I want to drive in some sort of tournament. But noooo! Before I even get to the tournament, I have to race with cars that I don't care about, in series that I don't care about (Rival Matches?!) filled with short tracks. Series with no difficulty. All I need to do is take an A class to these D classes and win without trying. It's no challenge. It's also boring because it doesn't progress towards anything. You're just racing these small isolated races to complete the game.

Somethings like buying certain upgrades for your car are needlessly complex. Since I've been strapped for cash after I was forced to upgrade some cars in order to compete with these A and S classes. Now to sell all the items is just a chore. It's worse, it's hell.

It seems like this game is more about collecting cars than actually racing. And that's just wrong. The game is practically ruined for me. Why continue?

Positives:
On the other hand, I like the racing. It's tough, but very fun when you get your hands on a good car. I love how people don't try to hit you - it's very professional. And the simulation damage, which is awesomely realistic, encourages you not to hit them as well, making it that much more challenging to pass a car. The bumper view is exhilarating when going past 80mph. You can hear the wind blowing.

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This is all I got for right now. I'm tired so I won't remember everything. If I think of something, I'll add it in.
 
any reason you just copied/pasted your reply in the official Forza 2 thread and made a new thread about it, then edited your original post in the official thread?

😕
 
Yes, was it really necessary to start a new thread?

If all you want to do is use 1 car for the entire game, then I guess Forza 2 and its 300+ cars isn't for you, although I'm not sure what would be a good alternative. If you are so bored, maybe you shouldn't bring an A-class car to a D-class race. Turning off all the driving assists, upping the difficulty, and not having the best Performance Index leads to more exciting and rewarding races.

I completely agree with the glossy paint, though. Most of the metallic coated cars look far too shiny, and nothing like their real-world counterparts. I don't have a problem with the graphics overall, but it really bothers me that the tach and speedo needles are so damn jaggy. Couldn't they at least have smoothed those out?
 
The reason I started a new thread was for lazy people just like me. My post was all the way at the end, on the fourth page. People like me would get tired of reading all the positive stuff by the 3rd page and assume, in conjunction with the positive proffessional reviews, that the game was flawless. Most of the thread had already assumed that the game was good anyway and talked about the game in detail instead of actually criticizing it. This new thread will focus more on not assuming that the game is good.

I don't want to use one car throughout the whole game. I expected it to start you out with class D tournaments and then work your way up to class R4. And throughout these tournaments, you would upgrade your car or buy a new one to be able to compete with the higher class tournaments.

Not bringing a A-class car to a D-class race is kinda stupid. It's needlessly making my life harder. I want the game to force me how to do it. Plus, I don't even like these races, since I'm not progressing towards anything. It feels like the Gran Turismo Licenses, but in this case, it takes up more than half the game. Maybe I'm progressing towards actually having fun later, but I didn't buy the game to work my way to having fun, that's what the $60 was for.

I race with the following difficulty:
Suggested Line - off
ABS - on
TCS - off
STM - off
Shifting - Automatic
AI - Medium
Damage - Simulation
Fuel/Tire Wear - Simulation

The AI at Medium is tough enough for me when I race with the same class as the CPU.
 
Originally posted by: VIAN
The reason I started a new thread was for lazy people just like me. My post was all the way at the end, on the fourth page. People like me would get tired of reading all the positive stuff by the 3rd page and assume, in conjunction with the positive proffessional reviews, that the game was flawless.

I read that as "my opinion is worth more than everyone else's, so I'll just go pollute the forums". Thanks!
 
Originally posted by: VIAN
The reason I started a new thread was for lazy people just like me. My post was all the way at the end, on the fourth page. People like me would get tired of reading all the positive stuff by the 3rd page and assume, in conjunction with the positive proffessional reviews, that the game was flawless. Most of the thread had already assumed that the game was good anyway and talked about the game in detail instead of actually criticizing it. This new thread will focus more on not assuming that the game is good.

The game is a good game though, it's just that you expected something different.
 
Originally posted by: VIAN
The sky really annoys me since it functions in a way that reminds me of those old car racing game toys where a picture of the car is stationary and the track is a picture on a backlit rotating cylinder. It doesn't look realistic because it warps like the fish bowl lens, which makes it distracting.
While I don't doubt this is true, I haven't noticed it. I don't watch the sky too often while driving. 😕

The tracks are done nicely, but the cars, although the polygon power is there, everything else seems mediocre. All the car models have the glossiest gloss ever. If you put a 40 watt light bulb above the car, I bet the whole roof would shine white. Just like it does in practically every race. Even when just checking out the cars, it's as if non-gloss paint never existed in vehicles; even the old ones. The reflections on the car are also low resolution. Not the best I've seen.

I agree with this somewhat. Would have been nice to see some flat black paint. However, it may appear that the sunlight reflecting off surfaces and HDR is overdone, even a flat black paint job on a real car will reflect sunlight and "shine." I think that's something most people overlook when analyzing the realism of HDR in various games... it's so ordinary in real life to see things like that, and you're so used to not seeing it in games, it looks out of the ordinary when you see it in games. Just as an example, right now it's raining and cloudy, yet there's a reflection shining off the matte finish of my computer speakers, and if I didn't know they were black and couldn't see the rest of the speaker, I'd think they were white. No doubt that type of thing in a computer game would result in, "WTF? Is the speaker polished to a mirror finish?"

I didn't expect this. I wanted to race with the cars I wanted to race with. I don't care about racing with the Quattro...

I mean no offense, but this is just ridiculous. What DID you expect? There's over 300 cars in the game and you want to drive just a few? You didn't think any races would be limited by car models? You expected it would be normal to bring a Ferrari to a race with Civics?

Nor do I want to race with any mid-engine cars, since, contrary to it's reputation over at wikipedia, this type of layout is the worst handling POS ever. Spin-out here, try to counter, spin-out the other way. Why do I have to be tortured with these shoddy vehicles?! After upgrading it's handling, it was better, but still very pathetic in comparison to FWD or RWD.

Maybe Forza's not for you. Maybe you'd be happier with a NASCAR game where every car handles the same.

You're just racing these small isolated races to complete the game.

I agree with that... after a certain point it's like all I'm doing is racing to fill check boxes. (I have three Endurance races left before I finish Career)

Somethings like buying certain upgrades for your car are needlessly complex. Since I've been strapped for cash after I was forced to upgrade some cars in order to compete with these A and S classes. Now to sell all the items is just a chore. It's worse, it's hell.

Buying and selling is complex? 😕 I've never saw the need to sell a part, but I can't imagine it being complex by any stretch of the imagination. I've always raced to earn credits to buy new cars and upgrades... maybe I'm in the minority.

It seems like this game is more about collecting cars than actually racing. And that's just wrong. The game is practically ruined for me. Why continue?

I couldn't disagree more... it's a racing game, you need cars to race, that's why they're there. If 300 cars ruin the game for you, you made a very uneducated purchase.

And the simulation damage, which is awesomely realistic, encourages you not to hit them as well, making it that much more challenging to pass a car.

I wish it was possible to get flat tires and cut tires if you hit other drivers or run over debris on the track. If asked, Turn 10 would no doubt say they left that out because they wanted to focus more on driving and not car maintenance as they've said about other things like wear on parts and pit stops.


After thinking about it more, I've come to the conclusion that Forza 2 is definitely not for you. If I were you, I'd play it a while longer and get some entertainment out of the races you DO like, then sell it or trade it in while it's still worth $40+ used.
 
Originally posted by: Jeff7181
After thinking about it more, I've come to the conclusion that Forza 2 is definitely not for you. If I were you, I'd play it a while longer and get some entertainment out of the races you DO like, then sell it or trade it in while it's still worth $40+ used.

I really don't think this game is for me either. The few racing games that I've played an enjoyed were 24Hours Le Mans, Gran Turismo 2, Need for Speed II. Forza 2 does the racing right for me, but not the career mode.
 
Originally posted by: TallBill
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Shifting - Automatic </end quote></div>

Uh, we've known since Gran Turismo on PSX that manual is the way to drive a racing sim.

Not for me, with a gamepad. I have only owned one car with an automatic in real life, and disliked it, and I'll use a manual setup to the extent I am using a wheel controller, but shifting gears with a gamepad is too much of a hassle to bother with IMO.
 
Originally posted by: TallBill
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Shifting - Automatic </end quote></div>

Uh, we've known since Gran Turismo on PSX that manual is the way to drive a racing sim.

Hah! Manual is the way to drive a real car, but for gaming, Automatic all the way. Manual distracts me from looking at the pretty graphics. 🙂
 
i enjoy this post

PM me if u ever want to dump your forza 2, i can sort of guess it sucks from the demo - but I'm willing to try the retail game
 
I for one enjoy the play style of Forza. It gives you opportunities to use totally superior cars than your competitors, and takes away those opportunities for some tournaments, making you really work at it. I think you can play it whatever way you want.

I'll admit I turn down the AI difficulty to easy when I have an inferior car, which does make it ridiculously easy.

The game does have its faults, but I wouldnt find any in the graphics. I do agree with you that it does become car collecting once youve played it long enough. But its given me one hell of a play through, and for that, I find it to be a worthwhile game.

Originally posted by: VIAN
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Originally posted by: TallBill
<div class="FTQUOTE"><begin quote>Shifting - Automatic </end quote></div>

Uh, we've known since Gran Turismo on PSX that manual is the way to drive a racing sim.</end quote></div>

Hah! Manual is the way to drive a real car, but for gaming, Automatic all the way. Manual distracts me from looking at the pretty graphics. 🙂

I find that manual enables me to slow down without using the brakes while going into corners, which then enables me to turn better. If you use the brakes into turns, I find that I really cant turn, you just kinda slide.

I would find manual quite annoying with the regular controller, but it works perfectly with the wheel.
 
I dont get whats so hard about manual on a controller. The 360 has 4 shoulder buttons. One set accelerates/brakes, the other set shifts. Not like you have to work a clutch. Anyways, if you pickup a game for the first time and drive with a stick then you'll end up much better in the long run. If you use automatic and then switch later it will be very very tough.

Just my 2 cents. I always drive an automatic in real cars.
 
Originally posted by: bigpow
i enjoy this post

PM me if u ever want to dump your forza 2, i can sort of guess it sucks from the demo - but I'm willing to try the retail game

It is far from suckage. It's a highly rated 360 game if you visit metacritic and like sites. It does the basic thing right.....racing. All the other stuff like upgrades, career path, etc. you can quibble about but if you don't like the demo you aren't going to like the retail game.
 
the only reason im buying a 360, IS FORZA....sorry, i liked the first one, and im getting the second one, im kinda iffy on getting a ps3 just for the next gran turismo, the damn thing is too expensive, but i might just go on a splurge and buy it online sometime.
 
Originally posted by: Truenofan
the only reason im buying a 360, IS FORZA....sorry, i liked the first one, and im getting the second one, im kinda iffy on getting a ps3 just for the next gran turismo, the damn thing is too expensive, but i might just go on a splurge and buy it online sometime.

There's supposed to be a promotional thing where if you buy any Blu-Ray player, including the PS3, you get 5 free Blu-Ray movies from a select list. Probably not going to be any GREAT movies, but it cuts the cost of the console when you get free stuff with it that you can resell. 🙂
 
Froza 2 I didn't even know anything about the first one...
Anyhow my impressions are this is a car simulation. You do race all the types because it forces you to try new challenges and keeps the game fresh. If you want to race the same car that only you like..you can do that too. I would reccomend using live to make your own lobbys with the car of your choosing. Sure the single player would be tough, but without all the makes and models...this game would just be boring... I dont mind switching it up to rwd or fwd or awd, smaller, larger cars etc. THE ONE HUGE PROBLEM- is how they do allow you to use an A class in the D class races..that just doesn't make sense to me why you would want to do that... I force myself to use the same class just to make it challenging to be honest...

The graphics are weird in my opinion. At times, it looks sharp, nice, at other times...its just not enough compared to some of the games on the market. Its too bad they couldnt work on the AA on the cars and the resolution of the textures on the cars (stickers etc)
The lighting is good, but the reflections are awfully high...maybe a quick fix???

Anyhow, overall, with my few hours I have dumped into the game, its been really fun with solid gameplay, and allows all sorts of cars to drive and try out.

just my 2 cents..
 
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