I'm confused. I always thought Dutch and German were basically the same....

[rudeguy]

...as far as heritage goes.

All my life I've said that I'm basically all German. I have a very tiny bit of Irish in me but other than that, I am basically all German.

Except about 40% of my relatives were Amish of the Northern Indiana variety. We always referred to them as Pennsylvania Dutch but considered them German. I mean they spoke a dialect of German...so...that makes them German. Right?

Now I'm tempted to spend some money tracking down my family stick.

 

[Mixolydian]

You've got Holland, The Netherlands, and the Dutch. Too confusing.

 

[shortylickens]

Dutch country is a basterdization of Deutch country. And not enough people know that.

 

[wirednuts]

my roomate is danish and i keep talking to her about german stuff. i dont really care though, i try to explain to her that there is american and there is foreign. its not like there is different types of foreign.

 

[shortylickens]

my roomate is danish and i keep talking to her about german stuff. i dont really care though, i try to explain to her that there is american and there is foreign. its not like there is different types of foreign.

Pics of roommate?

 

[OutHouse]

You've got Holland, The Netherlands, and the Dutch. Too confusing.

dont forget Flemmish

 

[brianmanahan]

all people of europe are basically the same, except for italians, who are part european and part black

 

[MontyAC]

Don't Spainards have Arab blood?

 

[the DRIZZLE]

...as far as heritage goes.

All my life I've said that I'm basically all German. I have a very tiny bit of Irish in me but other than that, I am basically all German.

Except about 40% of my relatives were Amish of the Northern Indiana variety. We always referred to them as Pennsylvania Dutch but considered them German. I mean they spoke a dialect of German...so...that makes them German. Right?

Now I'm tempted to spend some money tracking down my family stick.

Pennsylvania Dutch refers to German immigrants. It is a bastardization of deutsch.

 

[shortylickens]

I JUST FUCKING SAID THAT!

 

[Triumph]

Dutch country is a basterdization of Deutch country. And not enough people know that.

Yes. And that's a bastardization of Deutsch.

I think The Netherlands should be forced to make up its mind. You can't be called Holland and The Netherlands and tell people you're Dutch, and then get all mad at Americans for not understanding Europe. Pick one.

 

[nanette1985]

...as far as heritage goes.

All my life I've said that I'm basically all German. I have a very tiny bit of Irish in me but other than that, I am basically all German.

Except about 40% of my relatives were Amish of the Northern Indiana variety. We always referred to them as Pennsylvania Dutch but considered them German. I mean they spoke a dialect of German...so...that makes them German. Right?

Now I'm tempted to spend some money tracking down my family stick.

Hi cousin! My father's family is 100% Anabaptist of the Northern Ohio variety. Pennsylvania Dutch is a combination of several German dialects, plus English. The Amish started in Switzerland and broke up into small groups that scattered around Europe. My own family was originally English - then moved to Holland because they were getting harassed in England. Then they came to the US in the early 1800's and settled with friends in Northern Ohio. The old folks speak Old Amish which is similar to Pennsylvania Dutch. A lot of Amish in Indiana speak Swiss German which I don't understand at all.

It's fairly easy to trace your Amish family. Start with the last name. There are pretty good records of which family settled where and where they came from.

Happy Ancestry hunting!

 

[brianmanahan]

Hi cousin! My father's family is 100% Anabaptist of the Northern Ohio variety. Pennsylvania Dutch is a combination of several German dialects, plus English. The Amish started in Switzerland and broke up into small groups that scattered around Europe. My own family was originally English - then moved to Holland because they were getting harassed in England. Then they came to the US in the early 1800's and settled with friends in Northern Ohio. The old folks speak Old Amish which is similar to Pennsylvania Dutch. A lot of Amish in Indiana speak Swiss German which I don't understand at all.

It's fairly easy to trace your Amish family. Start with the last name. There are pretty good records of which family settled where and where they came from.

Happy Ancestry hunting!

northern ohio where, down along rt 39?

 

[Perknose]

A lot of Amish in Indiana speak Swiss German which I don't understand at all.

German can be a rather hard and guttural language on the ears. (Swiss German) is a dialect of German that has far more lilt to it. I love the way it sounds.

It's somewhat analogous to a Southern drawl in English, y'all. Bayerischen Dialekt, or what the Bavarians speak, is somewhat in between -- softer and more casually informal than the stiffer Hochdeutsch.

Basically, just like in the USA, the more southerly you go . . . Bavaria to Austria to Switzerland, the softer and more "musical" the German spoken gets.

I LOVE Schweizer Deutsch, with, btw, the "Schweizer" pronounced more like "Sssvitzah" than the German word for shit.

Linguistic side note: Yiddish is basically just another dialect of German, it's that close. When I got back to the States, I could 100% understand the elderly Jewish ladies kvetching to each other in the thrift shop.

 

[_Rick_]

Actually, Deutsch is likely to come from duchy.
As Germany rose from an assortment of duchies and archduchies (and Bavaria and Prussia), this was always what I believed to be the reason for the name Deutschland.
And I think the Netherlands arose from much the same situation.
Hence the similar names.

 

[rudeguy]

Hi cousin! My father's family is 100% Anabaptist of the Northern Ohio variety. Pennsylvania Dutch is a combination of several German dialects, plus English. The Amish started in Switzerland and broke up into small groups that scattered around Europe. My own family was originally English - then moved to Holland because they were getting harassed in England. Then they came to the US in the early 1800's and settled with friends in Northern Ohio. The old folks speak Old Amish which is similar to Pennsylvania Dutch. A lot of Amish in Indiana speak Swiss German which I don't understand at all.

It's fairly easy to trace your Amish family. Start with the last name. There are pretty good records of which family settled where and where they came from.

Happy Ancestry hunting!

The family name is Yoder.

I'm sure you can imagine how hard it is trace that name...

 

[rudeguy]

German can be a rather hard and guttural language on the ears. (Swiss German) is a dialect of German that has far more lilt to it. I love the way it sounds.

It's somewhat analogous to a Southern drawl in English, y'all. Bayerischen Dialekt, or what the Bavarians speak, is somewhat in between -- softer and more casually informal than the stiffer Hochdeutsch.

Basically, just like in the USA, the more southerly you go . . . Bavaria to Austria to Switzerland, the softer and more "musical" the German spoken gets.

I LOVE Schweizer Deutsch, with, btw, the "Schweizer" pronounced more like "Sssvitzah" than the German word for shit.

Linguistic side note: Yiddish is basically just another dialect of German, it's that close. When I got back to the States, I could 100% understand the elderly Jewish ladies kvetching to each other in the thrift shop.

That makes a lot of sense.

I grew up hearing my great aunts and uncles (Amish) speak. Their language definitely didn't sound as harsh as the German I heard on TV. Your pronunciation sounds right on with how my Aunt Maddie spoke. Then I get to high school and take German so I can learn more than swear words and they teach me that its pronounced "shvItsair".

 

[Ichinisan]

Which one is this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmsvEhce_GQ

 

[Jumpem]

Pennsylvania dutch = Pennsylvania deutch.

The "dutch" was always a mispronunciation of "deutch". They are German.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Dutch country is a basterdization of Deutch country. And not enough people know that.

Was ?
Sind Sie verrückt geworden ?

Errr...
I mean are you crazy ?

:hmm:
Nevermind...

 

[William Gaatjes]

That is funny :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoder

 

[Perknose]

Which one is this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmsvEhce_GQ

Not German at all. Appears to be Dutch.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Not German at all. Appears to be Dutch.

Now that i have seen that clip, i am seriously considering becoming officially a German Bürger.
What a waste of genes.

Considering the horrendous quality of the natively made television in the Netherlands (Especially the commercial ones), i am amazed Rinus does not have his own talk show yet. Or better yet, being a science reporter. D:

 

[William Gaatjes]

You know what, for a moment i turned into a sour old grape again instead of being a fine wine.
All the guy essentially does is declare his love for his girlfriend.
The natively produced crap by the commercial stations on dutch television is not the fault of Rinus.
I hope he makes a cd/itunes/spotify record for those liking his music ^_^.


Here an English song :

Zanger Rinus - My Jinglebells Are Gone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KzOZPRv5rs

 

[mmntech]

The Dutch are a Germanic speaking people with a common Germanic ancestry. They descend from the Frisii, the Franks, and the Saxons, which inhabited the Low Countries through classical and medieval Europe. The English share the same ancestry, which is why the Dutch and English languages are so similar.