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I'm confused about the Rose Bowl.

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xboxist

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It used to be that the Big 10 and Pac 10 champs would meet in the Rose Bowl. But since the BCS started, I've been confused about who gets to play in it.

I thought that the Rose Bowl was filled with at-large bids based on a team's BCS rating. But I just read that Michigan is going (the Big 10 champ, who is waaaay low in the BCS ratings), and that Cal's (the Pac 10 runner-up) spot in the Rose Bowl is in jeopardy because Texas in creeping up behind them in the BCS ratings.

The whole Texas thing is what's throwing me off. If it was Cal/Michigan it would be the two best teams in each conference (aside from USC who will be playing in the title game). So how does Texas's BCS rating fit into this?

simplified: what's the formula for who plays in the Rose Bowl (during the years when the Rose Bowl isn't hosting the BCS national title game)?
 
Originally posted by: Mwilding
It's the Grand Daddy of them all. what else do you need to know?
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... ... more than that, apparently.
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cal and michigan will play in the rose bowl. texas won't make up enough ground with 1 game left unless cal somehow loses to southern miss. texas = no bcs bowl.

*edit* smiles are messed up, hoorah.

also, the bcs system doesn't make too much sense. you take the top 2 teams and put them in the national title game. since #1 is usc (and pac10 usually goes to rose) they put an at large there. if ou is #2 at the end they play orange and it's utah v boston college in fiesta. if ou is #3 they play utah in fiesta and bc plays the acc team in the sugar bowl. if auburn is #3 then they play the sugar against acc. at least, i think that's how it works.
 
What I've read, there are two ways that Cal can not get a bid. First, if Texas loses to Texas A&amp;M, then Boise State might jump to #6 in the BCS. If that happens, Boise and Utah get automatic bids, and Cal doesn't get in. However, if Texas wins and somehow bumps Cal down to fifth, then Utah and Texas get the two automatic bids and Cal gets left out.
 
It's still big 10 vs pac 10 but if the top team from either conference goes to a different bowl liek the Nat'l championship, then they have to fill their spot with someone else. Not sure if they just pick the #2 team or what.
 
My understanding is that the Rose Bowl will still be Big Ten champ vs. Pac 10 champ UNLESS it is the Rose Bowl's turn to be the BCS national championship game.

-Tom

EDIT: From bcsfootball.org:

The BCS also notes the importance of traditional and regional considerations regarding team selection. Specifically, the four BCS Bowls will host the following conference champions in the years the national championship game is not played at their site.

These consideration tie-ins include the ACC or Big East champion in the FedEx Orange Bowl, the SEC champion in the Nokia Sugar Bowl, the Big Ten and the Pac-10 champions in the Rose Bowl and the Big 12 champion in the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl.

Should a BCS Bowl's host champion be ranked number one or two in the final BCS standings, when such bowl is not hosting the national championship game, the number one- or two-ranked team shall move to the national championship game and the Bowl shall select a replacement team from the BCS pool of eligible teams. The pool will consist of any Division I-A team that is ranked among the Top 12 in the final BCS standings and has achieved at least nine wins during the regular season (excluding NCAA-exempted contests)
 
USC is who is # 1 in the pac10 would be in the national title, therefore #1 can't play in the rose bowl opening it up for another team i.e texas if Cal weren't up there. If USC were to lose they would go to the rose bowl... When the top pac 10 team is contending for the national title, the rule of the pac10 in the rose bowl does not apply anymore. Hope this helps
 
Originally posted by: SuRgEoN
USC is who is # 1 in the pac10 would be in the national title, therefore #1 can't play in the rose bowl opening it up for another team i.e texas if Cal weren't up there. If USC were to lose they would go to the rose bowl... When the top pac 10 team is contending for the national title, the rule of the pac10 in the rose bowl does not apply anymore. Hope this helps
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Ok - so basically what we have here is that in the non-BCS National title game Rose Bowl years, it's still the Pac 10 champ vs. the Big 10 champ, UNLESS one of those two teams will be playing in the National Title game (USC, for instance). In that event, that spot in the Rose Bowl isn't automatically assigned to the #2 team in that conference (Cal), but rather to an at-large team (potentially Texas or even Boise State).

Ok, I think I get it now. Thanks.
 
Originally posted by: xboxist
Originally posted by: SuRgEoN
USC is who is # 1 in the pac10 would be in the national title, therefore #1 can't play in the rose bowl opening it up for another team i.e texas if Cal weren't up there. If USC were to lose they would go to the rose bowl... When the top pac 10 team is contending for the national title, the rule of the pac10 in the rose bowl does not apply anymore. Hope this helps
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Ok - so basically what we have here is that in the non-BCS National title game Rose Bowl years, it's still the Pac 10 champ vs. the Big 10 champ, UNLESS one of those two teams will be playing in the National Title game (USC, for instance). In that event, that spot in the Rose Bowl isn't automatically assigned to the #2 team in that conference (Cal), but rather to an at-large team (potentially Texas or even Boise State).

Ok, I think I get it now. Thanks.
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You are exactly right.

The only reason people are so quick to throw Cal into the Rose Bowl as an at-large team is because they are from the Pac-10 and the Rose Bowl likes to keep their traditional Big-10 / Pac-10 matchup intact if possible.
 
You are exactly right.

The only reason people are so quick to throw Cal into the Rose Bowl as an at-large team is because they are from the Pac-10 and the Rose Bowl likes to keep their traditional Big-10 / Pac-10 matchup intact if possible.
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no its because cal's actually good
 
I am actually from the Pasadena area (live only about 6 miles from the Rose Bowl), and a lot of people here dont like how the tradition of Pac 10 vs Big 10 got changed with the BCS . . .
 
I could care less anymore, the whole system is a joke. We are lucky if we get one good bowl game out of the whole lousy few weeks. Im all for the tournament..let em fight through a bracket, much more appeasing.
 
The BCS needs to be refined--yet again!

It's not fair to a lot of teams. Cal should go to the Rose Bowl. Texas should also get to go to a BCS game.

There is no way Boise State should be allowed to slip into a BCS game with the quality teams out there. That team is not of that caliber. They would get owned by so many Top 20 teams it's not even funny. The "popularity" sway shows what lemmings these poll voters are and how ultimately defective the BCS is.
 
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