I'm becoming very racist towards hispanics... help?

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PaperclipGod

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I'm not gonna get into details since the title alone probably already puts this thread on the verge of getting locked, so here's the short version:

I live in new england and 99% of the hispanics I encounter (and there are a LOT of them to encounter, btw) contribute very little back to the community they live in.

Tell me why I'm wrong. Draw some parallels with past racial prejudices, e.g. Polish, Irish, etc. I've tried to do this myself, but it's not really working.

Is hispanic immigration and their perception by the majority following the same path as previous waves of immigrants? Are they assimilating at the same rate, and it just seems different because I'm witnessing it instead of reading about it in a book?
 
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PaperclipGod said:
I live in new england and 99% of the hispanics I encounter (and there are a LOT of them to encounter, btw) contribute very little back to the community they live in.

Tell me why I'm wrong.
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How about you start by telling us what YOU contribute to the community?
 
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gururu2

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The major contribution of latino immigrants is in the supply of low pay, mostly unskilled labor. This is an important cog in the business industry as it stimulates the flow of money and improves the cost of living for those in the lower and middle class.
Latino citizens are another story, but no different than the average human, in their right to pursue the American dream, albeit a more difficult one than the caucasian due to embedded racist tendencies and stereotypes in a world still dominated by caucasian males. Contribution enough is 'getting by'; living paycheck to paycheck. You are earning your keep. If you want to talk about true contribution, then you need look no further than those who are active duty for their country. What you will find is that latino representation is disproportionately higher in the services than in society.
 
Miramonti

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Wtf are you talking about, be specific. And I agree with guyver01, start with what you do and most others do for their community where hispanics don't measure up to what's expected of people.
 
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Ronstang

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Wtf are you talking about, be specific. And I agree with guyver01, start with what you do and most others do for their community where hispanics don't measure up to what's expected of people.
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I pay property taxes on a decent sized house and have no kids. It is the common thing for Hispanics to live 3-4 families to a house with sometimes a dozen kids all going to school and the landlord only pays minimal property taxes because these houses are usually in the low rent areas. I have seen this all my life. It is nothing new. I'm sorry but most Hispanic immigrants are very low wage earners and they consume way more public services than they ever contribute to the economy or tax base. I realize it is impossible to see this when you think with your heart.
 
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Ronstang said:
I'm sorry but most Hispanic immigrants are very low wage earners and they consume way more public services than they ever contribute to the economy or tax base.
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There is the keyword: most doesn't mean all. So you can't blame the race. It would be ignorant to try to generalize a problem to all the members of a group just because they all share a superficial feature. Besides, I'm almost positive you've seen the same problem in other races, but due to confirmation bias, you end up ignoring those cases that don't reinforce your stereotypes.
 
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BUTCH1

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fair enough, but do you feel like doing landscaping and riding on a trash truck?, how many Caucasians are willing to accept these jobs nowadays?..
 
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Arcadio said:
There is the keyword: most doesn't mean all. So you can't blame the race. It would be ignorant to try to generalize a problem to all the members of a group just because they all share a superficial feature.
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Actually if most of the people in a certain group share the same feature/attitude etc you should be able to stereotype. It just being efficient since, statistically, you are more likely to be right than wrong.

That said I can tell you from my time in retail in a very diverse area that people from all races have issues and you should hate everyone (but for different reasons ;) )
 
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Obvious observation. On a similar note, blacks people are like that too and perhaps to an even greater extent but it's not something that can be helped. This country provides more than enough free resources (public schools, public libraries etc.) and opportunities for self improvement that are simply going to waste because they are generally not taken advantage of. I've seen more white people in libraries than minorities discount asians. "They" blame racism while collecting welfare and generally being a nuisance if you will, in a modern civilized society. Unfortunately the middle class white collar needs them too in order to live within their existing standards and would be hard pressed by a -substantial- increase in costs should they no longer exist. It's a ying and yang situation really. Not being a racist here, just my observations coming from a poor and uneducated immigrated family that is trying to earn an honest and decent living.
 
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BUTCH1 said:
fair enough, but do you feel like doing landscaping and riding on a trash truck?, how many Caucasians are willing to accept these jobs nowadays?..
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You'd be surprised. IIRC, trash men make a very decent amount of money. Also, there's more money in landscaping-related things than you might think. My cousin (white) runs a crew (mixed Hispanic/white) that installs FiOS service to residential areas.

EDIT: Trash collector salaries aren't as high as I thought, but even still... $43K isn't THAT bad for what's essentially unskilled labor. (source)
 
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guyver01 said:
Link? proof? statistics?
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http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2010/07/illegal_immigra_3.php

According to FAIR, analysis of the latest Census data indicates that Arizona's illegal immigrant population is costing the state's taxpayers about $1.3 billion per year for education, medical care and incarceration.

The unauthorized immigrant population pays some state and local taxes that go toward offsetting these costs, but they do not come near to matching the expenses. The total of such payments might generously be estimated at $257 million per year.
 
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PaperclipGod

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Ok, so this has already sort of devolved into "yeah, but whites suck too" exchange.

I'm seriously asking for someone to give me a bit of perspective here. Ronstang summarized a few of the issues I have, but there are others.

Have all immigrant populations gone through this? How long does it take before they assimilate and people forget? I mean, 120 years ago no one wanted to hire Irish because they were all lazy drunks.

Instead of calling me a nutjob for expressing the same feelings that your ancestors (and contemporaries) likely shared, how about telling me why I'm wrong?
 
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Hispanics have hot sexy looking women. The food is good. They work hard and are very polite. I don't even mind that they don't speak English just as long as they do not have a job that requires it.
 
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PaperclipGod said:
Ok, so this has already sort of devolved into "yeah, but whites suck too" exchange.

I'm seriously asking for someone to give me a bit of perspective here. Ronstang summarized a few of the issues I have, but there are others.

Have all immigrant populations gone through this? How long does it take before they assimilate and people forget? I mean, 120 years ago no one wanted to hire Irish because they were all lazy drunks.

Instead of calling me a nutjob for expressing the same feelings that your ancestors (and contemporaries) likely shared, how about telling me why I'm wrong?
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The problem is, we have more social programs today then we ever have had before. That makes the unskilled labor in general very costly to society. The closest parallel to the Hispanic community that I can think of is the Chinese community. Initially when they came over, they were restricted to very low paying jobs.
 
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Miramonti

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Ronstang said:
I pay property taxes on a decent sized house and have no kids. It is the common thing for Hispanics to live 3-4 families to a house with sometimes a dozen kids all going to school and the landlord only pays minimal property taxes because these houses are usually in the low rent areas. I have seen this all my life. It is nothing new. I'm sorry but most Hispanic immigrants are very low wage earners and they consume way more public services than they ever contribute to the economy or tax base. I realize it is impossible to see this when you think with your heart.
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