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In fact it is 99.9% false...However, Brovane's idea that you can avoid 99.9% of the problem by not fighting back is false.
In fact it is 99.9% false...However, Brovane's idea that you can avoid 99.9% of the problem by not fighting back is false.
No. It was not well said.
The only valid point from the original opinion was that fighting the cops will make things worse.
However, Brovane's idea that you can avoid 99.9% of the problem by not fighting back is false.
Cops harass innocent people all the time because they're pig headed idiots who think they ARE the law. By not challenging the cops, you might avoid immediate death, but in the longer term you will then be subject to other abuse by the legal system or you sit in jail for a few days on some bullshit charge, and even longer term it's further reinforcement for bad cops that they can in fact do whatever they want.
However you are not going to win the argument on the street one-one on front line with LE. Reforms will need to come from the top down.
Fighting back against LE never ends well for the civilian. We need to have a conversation about the militarization of the police forces. We need to have cops wear cameras and have squad cars equipped with cameras. We need more transparency with how illegal/criminal actions by LE personnel is handled. We need to make sure all Cops are all aware, yes it is ok for somebody to film you and no it isn't ok to tell somebody to turn off a camera. You can ask them to move back but you cannot tell them to stop filming. However all of this discussion needs to happen outside the realm of day to day inter-action with LE.
I can tell you that if you are courteous and don't fight back with LE you will avoid 99.99% of the bad situations with LE. Being a ASS to the cop on the street isn't going to help your situation.
There is a time and place to have this discussion and it isn't one-one with the local LE on the street. You need to hold LE accountable at the ballot box and with your local politicians. You have to remember the vast majority of inter-actions between LE and the local population doesn't end with somebody getting tasered.
And you're missing my point. Bad situations with police are not caused 99.99% of the time by the citizen. They are often caused by the cops themselves, doing their best Billy Badass routine.
It's all well and good to say handle it at the ballot box. But cops don't wait until November to fuck up your life. They do it right there in realtime.
Don't get me wrong, fighting the police isn't a good idea. But cops need to start being held accountable, because right now they are not, and citizens have almost no recourse.
You are not going to hold them accountable on the street. You have to hold them accountable through the ballot box. How else do you propose to hold them accountable?
There is always the exception to the rule and citizens don't always create the bad situation. I think back to the Dorner manhunt and the cops that shot at the two different trucks, because they happened to be trucks. There is nothing that those people could have been done differently and they where still shot at.
However a lot of people miss the simple point of avoiding bad situations with Cops. Don't break the law and you will avoid most of the bad situations with Cops. It isn't rocket science but for some people they have a hard time grasping this concept. I think back to the Rodney king beating. Don't get me wrong the Cops should have been accountable for there actions and people had every reason to be upset. However if King had just pulled the car over I doubt he would have gotten his A$@ beat. If would have just followed officers order's he would have gotten beat. Doesn't make the beating right and ok. Most of the time you have control over how well a encounter with LE is going to go. You being a jerk to a officer being a jerk isn't going to help your situation.
^ LMAO!!!!! Sounds like you and JEDIYoda are the wannabe billy badasses.
You're a disgusting bootlicker. I'm not sure what else to say.
So what you're saying is that when a cop blackmails a hooker into having sex with him, that's OK because she can vote. If she resists his attempt to penetrate her, it's OK that he beats her to death, because he's the law and she resisted. All she had to do was bend over and take it, and she would have been OK.
First rule of avoiding bad situations with Cops. Don't break the law.
I don't know where y'all live, but we don't vote for police officers here. I mean, yeah, you might vote in a mayor who changes the chief of police, but it's not like a politician is going to come in and fire every police officer and replace them. So "vote them out" is just about as meaningless as voting out a zookeeper; it's not an elected position. What a citizen CAN do with police who are violating civil rights is sue the police department and the local government, but that's hardly a good recourse for cops who consistently abuse power and don't get truly reprimanded or fired.
You're hilariously optimistic Brovane.
No seriously, it's adorable.
Ok how do you propose a citizen should best handle a situation where Police misconduct is occurring?
Funny how that rule works so well.
Thank You!!
Options are limited but action can be taken. Your first thing is to take it to your local city council and express your concerns. If you can get more people together the better. Depending on the size of the city this can have a impact. A smaller city the more impact that this can have. Where I live my city has a contract with the County Sheriff. So yes the city could take action against police misconduct. Be a active citizen. For example let your Congressional Representative and Senator's of you state know your concern about Military hardware going to local LE. Action can be taken. It isn't perfect but fighting with the Cop's isn't the answer if you think they are abusing you.
it does work well....only problem is it's not possible..
read this article (i know it wont change your mind) but it might change the mind of others.
http://mises.org/daily/5759/Decriminalize-the-Average-Man