I'm a neo con and would vote for Obama

[Rage187]

something about a well dressed charismatic man compared to the oil monkey in a suit we have in office now that gets me leaning to the left.

Few issues we disagree on including the obvious issue of abortion rights. But I'd still vote for him because he can put up a good argument and I think he can see my side of things as well.

Also, he attended some socialist party meetings when he was younger which is pretty disgusting. But hey, I used have different outlook when I was younger as well but I grew up and my views solidified.

The question comes back to "Is he ready?", probably not. He still plays both sides of the fence when discussing issues such as global warming. And takes the "Me too!" attitude when people offer up solutions.


But here are my pics for 2008

Rudolf vs. Hillary, Rudolf by a landslide
Rudolf vs. Obama, Obama by 10%
Obama vs. McKain, too close to call

 

[blackllotus]

I'm still wondering when John Edwards is going to start showing up in the news again.

 

[Rage187]

Originally posted by: blackllotus
I'm still wondering when John Edwards is going to start showing up in the news again.

he spoke at The Asia Society today, heard it went ok. Kerry did too much damage to him though.

 

[johnnobts]

as a conservative i'd sooner vote republican than for obama (newt g. is my boy, or mitt romney). obama talks a good game, as did clinton, but he's still a liberal. he can say "its not about smaller govt or bigger govt, its about smarter govt.," but show me any massive govt subsidized program he'd be eager to gut... moreover, he can talk about being centrist, and open-minded, but he voted against alito and roberts (roberts was confirmed 72 to 20 something). he did it to cozy up to his liberal buddies, even though roberts was immenently qualified.

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: Rage187

Originally posted by: blackllotus
I'm still wondering when John Edwards is going to start showing up in the news again.

he spoke at The Asia Society today, heard it went ok. Kerry did too much damage to him though.

I think Edwards did more damage to himself than Kerry... He was somewhat clumsy during the 2004 run - but yet I believe we'll see him make a run for President in the next few years..

 

[blackllotus]

Originally posted by: johnnobts
he can talk about being centrist, and open-minded, but he voted against alito and roberts (roberts was confirmed 72 to 20 something).

I fail to see the connection between open-mindedness and voting for alito and roberts.

 

[ebaycj]

Originally posted by: johnnobts
he can talk about being centrist, and open-minded, but he voted against alito and roberts (roberts was confirmed 72 to 20 something).

Did you ever think that maybe, just maybe, he was doing his job and *gasp* REPRESENTING HIS CONSTITUENCY?

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: Rage187
something about a well dressed charismatic man compared to the oil monkey in a suit we have in office now that gets me leaning to the left.

Few issues we disagree on including the obvious issue of abortion rights. But I'd still vote for him because he can put up a good argument and I think he can see my side of things as well.

Also, he attended some socialist party meetings when he was younger which is pretty disgusting. But hey, I used have different outlook when I was younger as well but I grew up and my views solidified.

The question comes back to "Is he ready?", probably not. He still plays both sides of the fence when discussing issues such as global warming. And takes the "Me too!" attitude when people offer up solutions.


But here are my pics for 2008

Rudolf vs. Hillary, Rudolf by a landslide
Rudolf vs. Obama, Obama by 10%
Obama vs. McKain, too close to call

Neocons have wrecked the Republican party. Please do forsake us, we'll be better off without ya.

Here, le me hold the door open for ya.........

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: ebaycj

Originally posted by: johnnobts
he can talk about being centrist, and open-minded, but he voted against alito and roberts (roberts was confirmed 72 to 20 something).

Did you ever think that maybe, just maybe, he was doing his job and *gasp* REPRESENTING HIS CONSTITUENCY?

I'm pretty sure that's not what elected representatives are supposed to do...they are supposed to listen to random idiots on the internet who misquote Ronald Reagan.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: johnnobts
as a conservative i'd sooner vote republican than for obama (newt g. is my boy, or mitt romney). obama talks a good game, as did clinton, but he's still a liberal. he can say "its not about smaller govt or bigger govt, its about smarter govt.," but show me any massive govt subsidized program he'd be eager to gut... moreover, he can talk about being centrist, and open-minded, but he voted against alito and roberts (roberts was confirmed 72 to 20 something). he did it to cozy up to his liberal buddies, even though roberts was immenently qualified.

You're not a damn conservative, give it up already. And as far as I'm concerned, I'd vote for Obama regardless of his stance on the issues because he's probably the ONLY politician in Washington today who seems to really want to bring both sides together...and that's worth supporting no matter what the poltics. I know you are about as partisan a Republican as you can get, but does this country really need any more years of Republicans telling half the country to go fvck themselves all the time?

 

[Agent11]

Argueing that the republicans are conservative is doomed to failure..
Medicare part D anyone?
Not that I think giving discounts to elderly folks is a bad thing, but the way it is set up is a handout to the big pharm companies.

Also Bush has Increased the size of government, and there is so much money lost or wasted that it is rediculous.
The republicans have proven that they are not conservative in any sense of the word.

Bah I say, BAH.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
You're not a damn conservative, give it up already. And as far as I'm concerned, I'd vote for Obama regardless of his stance on the issues because he's probably the ONLY politician in Washington today who seems to really want to bring both sides together...and that's worth supporting no matter what the poltics. I know you are about as partisan a Republican as you can get, but does this country really need any more years of Republicans telling half the country to go fvck themselves all the time?

The feeling is mutual, it's a political civil war. Both sides don?t just offend each other, they?re gutting each other.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Rage187
something about a well dressed charismatic man compared to the oil monkey in a suit we have in office now that gets me leaning to the left.

Few issues we disagree on including the obvious issue of abortion rights. But I'd still vote for him because he can put up a good argument and I think he can see my side of things as well.

Also, he attended some socialist party meetings when he was younger which is pretty disgusting. But hey, I used have different outlook when I was younger as well but I grew up and my views solidified.

The question comes back to "Is he ready?", probably not. He still plays both sides of the fence when discussing issues such as global warming. And takes the "Me too!" attitude when people offer up solutions.


But here are my pics for 2008

Rudolf vs. Hillary, Rudolf by a landslide
Rudolf vs. Obama, Obama by 10%
Obama vs. McKain, too close to call

Based on what you say I find it hard to believe you are a neocon or even have a clue what being a neocon is about.

BTW: Rudolf the Rednose Raindeer is running for President? News to me.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Corn
Neocons have wrecked the Republican party. Please do forsake us, we'll be better off without ya.

Here, le me hold the door open for ya.........

Do you think it's possible to restore the GOP to the Eisenhower era (the last time the Republican party was worth a damn)?

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Corn
Neocons have wrecked the Republican party. Please do forsake us, we'll be better off without ya.

Here, le me hold the door open for ya.........

Do you think it's possible to restore the GOP to the Eisenhower era (the last time the Republican party was worth a damn)?

No, because the Authoritarians control the party as they do yours. Only a third party truly deserves a vote.

 

[ntdz]

If you'd even consider voting for Obama, you are not a neocon. Guilliani won't win the nomination, McCain (notice the spelling) will. Hillary doesn't have a chance to win and Obama won't run for fear he might lose do to inexperience and some people's racial prejudices. I think Obama will run in 2012 if a Republican wins in 2008, or in 2016 if a Democrat wins in 2008.

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: Rage187
Rudolf vs. Hillary, Rudolf by a landslide
Rudolf vs. Obama, Obama by 10%
Obama vs. McKain, too close to call

Obama beating Guilianni and McCain in a presidential election? Yeah, right....
Racism is alive and well in America. He'll be precieved as a muslim and a relative of Osama.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: johnnobts
as a conservative i'd sooner vote republican than for obama (newt g. is my boy, or mitt romney).

You want to see how effective Romney would be as President just look at the Big Dig here in Boston.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Corn
Neocons have wrecked the Republican party. Please do forsake us, we'll be better off without ya.

Here, le me hold the door open for ya.........

Do you think it's possible to restore the GOP to the Eisenhower era (the last time the Republican party was worth a damn)?

No, because the Authoritarians control the party as they do yours. Only a third party truly deserves a vote.

Well...

1) I have no party. I'm only in support of Democrats over Republicans at this point because Republicans have turned into one giant mass of rubber-stamps falling in lock-step with incredibly destructive behavior in Washington and oversight/opposition is needed immediately.

2) Every third party candidate I've seen in the last 10 years has been even more pathetic than Dem/Rep candidates. Take my local Libertarian for Congress running against incumbent Northup. We had a debate televised locally and she was just completely batsh&t. Every sentence, every answer had "free markets" thrown in as the answer. That and her monotone speaking voice which was as grating as fingernails on chalkboard....

 

[dmw16]

Originally posted by: johnnobts
as a conservative i'd sooner vote republican than for obama (newt g. is my boy, or mitt romney). obama talks a good game, as did clinton, but he's still a liberal. he can say "its not about smaller govt or bigger govt, its about smarter govt.," but show me any massive govt subsidized program he'd be eager to gut... moreover, he can talk about being centrist, and open-minded, but he voted against alito and roberts (roberts was confirmed 72 to 20 something). he did it to cozy up to his liberal buddies, even though roberts was immenently qualified.

newt g is your boy? oh yeah yo? that's mad phat. my what intelligent discourse we have here.

But seriously, you make it sound like this republican government isn't spending massive amounts of money. We are deeper in debt than we have been since WW2. What I find funny, is looking at the trends, the national debt (as a ratio to our GDP) goes down when Dems are in office. Hmmmm...

And yes, I believe Obama was support his constituency when he voted against the judges. Also, I think that all these judge appointments have gotten too political. I would have liked to have seen a more moderate judge (similar to O'Connor) appointed to replace here. The court had a good balance before, now it has taken on this neo-con slant and frankly, I think that 'revolution' is over. America has seen thru the BS and realized that the ultra right, christian valued inspired politics need to be taken out and put to pasture. Keep your bible out of my government (ok, end of rant).

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Corn
Neocons have wrecked the Republican party. Please do forsake us, we'll be better off without ya.

Here, le me hold the door open for ya.........

Do you think it's possible to restore the GOP to the Eisenhower era (the last time the Republican party was worth a damn)?

I don't know Conjur, I wish I had a crystal ball.......

.....but I will say this. I am as active in my party as I can be given the time I have available to participate. Time I spend urging those that really have the power to effect change (or at least trying to get them to think about what they are doing/have done) to right the course of the party to the principles of which it was founded. I will only support Republican candidates who actually support the Republican party, not just the President's whim.......

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Corn
Neocons have wrecked the Republican party. Please do forsake us, we'll be better off without ya.

Here, le me hold the door open for ya.........

Do you think it's possible to restore the GOP to the Eisenhower era (the last time the Republican party was worth a damn)?

I don't know Conjur, I wish I had a crystal ball.......

.....but I will say this. I am as active in my party as I can be given the time I have available to participate. Time I spend urging those that really have the power to effect change (or at least trying to get them to think about what they are doing/have done) to right the course of the party to the principles of which it was founded. I will only support Republican candidates who actually support the Republican party, not just the President's whim.......

Corn, allow me to jump in here. Believe it or not, there are some Democrats, that if they lived here, I wouldn't vote for them. And also believe it or not, they're mostly from the "far left".

 

[zephyrprime]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Corn
Neocons have wrecked the Republican party. Please do forsake us, we'll be better off without ya.

Here, le me hold the door open for ya.........

Do you think it's possible to restore the GOP to the Eisenhower era (the last time the Republican party was worth a damn)?

I don't. That part of the republican party that remains from then (the "old" republicans) is the minority of the party now. The dixy democrats and their philosophical brethren are the majority of the party now.

 

[ebaycj]

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: Rage187
Rudolf vs. Hillary, Rudolf by a landslide
Rudolf vs. Obama, Obama by 10%
Obama vs. McKain, too close to call

Obama beating Guilianni and McCain in a presidential election? Yeah, right....
Racism is alive and well in America. He'll be precieved as a muslim and a relative of Osama.

He would get 100% of the black vote, however, which is a pretty big deal in the south (only mentioned b/c the south is traditionally republican).

 

[slash196]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Rainsford
You're not a damn conservative, give it up already. And as far as I'm concerned, I'd vote for Obama regardless of his stance on the issues because he's probably the ONLY politician in Washington today who seems to really want to bring both sides together...and that's worth supporting no matter what the poltics. I know you are about as partisan a Republican as you can get, but does this country really need any more years of Republicans telling half the country to go fvck themselves all the time?

The feeling is mutual, it's a political civil war. Both sides don?t just offend each other, they?re gutting each other.

That' because this country has been expertly divided into red and blue by Republicans, who knew that their half was bigger (so to speak). Of course, now that all their insane policies have caught up with them, their half has shrunk considerably.