I'm a guitar idiot, how hard is this to play?

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UncleWai

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#5. Post it on Youtube and deathkoba will be famous like the numa numa guy!
 

Slickone

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That's not 'easy' unless you're good. If you can play that, you can probably play most anything.
 

thirdlegstump

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Originally posted by: UncleWai
#5. Post it on Youtube and deathkoba will be famous like the numa numa guy!

It will be for internal (ATOT) use only. That means it will not be allowed to be posted elsewhere..not that I can do anything about it. Plus it's more of a breakdown on technique and not me playing the tune.
 

Slickone

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Originally posted by: deathkoba
Originally posted by: Slickone
That's not 'easy' unless you're good. If you can play that, you can probably play most anything.

Most anything? Far from it!
Like what then?

Most anything one would normally play on an electric, that is.
BTW, most anything != anything. :)
 

thirdlegstump

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Originally posted by: Slickone
Originally posted by: deathkoba
Originally posted by: Slickone
That's not 'easy' unless you're good. If you can play that, you can probably play most anything.

Most anything? Far from it!
Like what then?

Most anything one would normally play on an electric, that is.
BTW, most anything != anything. :)

This is bottom of the barrel rock "shred" stuff man. Basic is what it is at most. Check out more fusion stuff and you would not believe your ears...IF you are capable of understanding what's happening. Start with Gambale and move on to Guthrie Govan.
 

OREOSpeedwagon

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That doesn't look incredibly difficult, but it would take a little time :p

It's times like this I wish I had my Marshall VS100 stack with me here at college...
 

Fritzo

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Originally posted by: Slickone
That's not 'easy' unless you're good. If you can play that, you can probably play most anything.

Exactly. While the piece itself is not that difficult, he has an intimate knowledge of scale structure, and knows how each note fits in with the next. You really have to know your way around the fretboard to do some of the moves he's doing.
 

thirdlegstump

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I guess I can start off by asking you guys what parts do you not know how to play? If you know "how" to play that part but just haven't practiced it, that's different, but if you have no idea what's being done I can explain it...
 

Slickone

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Originally posted by: deathkoba
I guess I can start off by asking you guys what parts do you not know how to play? If you know "how" to play that part but just haven't practiced it, that's different, but if you have no idea what's being done I can explain it...
No offense, I know you may know a lot about guitar and be great at it and all, but you don't seem to understand that someone has to be good to be able to play that. Even if I understand 100% how that piece is done, and you tell me every possible thing you possibly could for me to learn to play it, I still have to be good enough to be able to play it, which I am not. I may never be. I have to know my way around the fretboard that way, process my brain in that way quick enough, and be able to move my fingers fast enough, correctly. There is a ton of stuff that I know how they're played, but I can't play them. And the "practice" you speak of to be able to play like that, for some people, is not a week, few weeks, or even a year, but many years.
Again no offense, I'm just trying to explain the situation for some of us. Thanks for offering to help. :)
 

SViper

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Originally posted by: Slickone
Originally posted by: deathkoba
I guess I can start off by asking you guys what parts do you not know how to play? If you know "how" to play that part but just haven't practiced it, that's different, but if you have no idea what's being done I can explain it...
No offense, I know you may know a lot about guitar and be great at it and all, but you don't seem to understand that someone has to be good to be able to play that. Even if I understand 100% how that piece is done, and you tell me every possible thing you possibly could for me to learn to play it, I still have to be good enough to be able to play it, which I am not. I may never be. I have to know my way around the fretboard that way, process my brain in that way quick enough, and be able to move my fingers fast enough, correctly. There is a ton of stuff that I know how they're played, but I can't play them. And the "practice" you speak of to be able to play like that, for some people, is not a week, few weeks, or even a year, but many years.
Again no offense, I'm just trying to explain the situation for some of us. Thanks for offering to help. :)

Just like any skill that you learn, you have to practice it until it becomes sub-conscious to be that fast at it. My boss (who's been playing for 15+ years now) occasionally says he wishes he could get a recording of his live performances because he doesn't consciously think about what he's playing. He "feels" the song and knows where the song is going, so he plays accordingly.

It's the same thing as typing. If you are a home row typer, you can put down words and phrases without even thinking about the individual letters. You had to practice to get that good.
 

thirdlegstump

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Originally posted by: Slickone
Originally posted by: deathkoba
I guess I can start off by asking you guys what parts do you not know how to play? If you know "how" to play that part but just haven't practiced it, that's different, but if you have no idea what's being done I can explain it...
No offense, I know you may know a lot about guitar and be great at it and all, but you don't seem to understand that someone has to be good to be able to play that. Even if I understand 100% how that piece is done, and you tell me every possible thing you possibly could for me to learn to play it, I still have to be good enough to be able to play it, which I am not. I may never be. I have to know my way around the fretboard that way, process my brain in that way quick enough, and be able to move my fingers fast enough, correctly. There is a ton of stuff that I know how they're played, but I can't play them. And the "practice" you speak of to be able to play like that, for some people, is not a week, few weeks, or even a year, but many years.
Again no offense, I'm just trying to explain the situation for some of us. Thanks for offering to help. :)

Yes many years is absolutely correct but you still need to understand HOW to practice and WHAT to practice in order to even get there. Most people aren't shown such things and create a mental barrier this way. Sure the tune in question is certainly not something to joke about if you compare it to non-virtuoso type of music like punk and classic rock. However it really isn't impossible, and there are far more crazier things you can do on the guitar that far surpasses the technicalities that makes it pretty much what I call...basic.

Now this still doesn't mean you can practice this stuff and kill yourself for the next 20 years and be able to play it like butter. In my opinion you have to be born with the natural talent to understand what sounds good and to be able to figure out how to sound good in addition to shedding blood and tears to exploit that ability. Most people can get to a certain level if they put their time and effort into it even though they may not sound good in the end. But the basic mechanics can definitely be achieved and that would be part of my goal in creating such tutorials. If 1 out of 1000 becomes a good sounding player utilizing some of that technique, I'm happy.

 

Mrvile

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Meh, I downloaded the tab a while back and have been trying to learn it for a couple months on and off now. I have most of the first half memorized but I can't do the long sweeping sections, those are just hard as hell.

Also, don't know if this has been mentioned or not, what kind of music would you guys consider this?
 

thirdlegstump

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Originally posted by: Mrvile
Meh, I downloaded the tab a while back and have been trying to learn it for a couple months on and off now. I have most of the first half memorized but I can't do the long sweeping sections, those are just hard as hell.

Also, don't know if this has been mentioned or not, what kind of music would you guys consider this?

The reason why you have trouble memorizing it is because you don't understand the fundamentals of what's being played and most likely trying to learn it note for note from tablature. That's IMHO the worst way to learn a tune.

Genre is neoclassical shred basically.

 

Mrvile

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Originally posted by: deathkoba
Originally posted by: Mrvile
Meh, I downloaded the tab a while back and have been trying to learn it for a couple months on and off now. I have most of the first half memorized but I can't do the long sweeping sections, those are just hard as hell.

Also, don't know if this has been mentioned or not, what kind of music would you guys consider this?

The reason why you have trouble memorizing it is because you don't understand the fundamentals of what's being played and most likely trying to learn it note for note from tablature. That's IMHO the worst way to learn a tune.

Genre is neoclassical shred basically.

Yeah I figured that out a while back, so I've been doing sweep exercises and scales, but since I'm not taking lessons or anything and I don't have a lot of time to play it makes it really hard.
 

thirdlegstump

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Originally posted by: Mrvile
Originally posted by: deathkoba
Originally posted by: Mrvile
Meh, I downloaded the tab a while back and have been trying to learn it for a couple months on and off now. I have most of the first half memorized but I can't do the long sweeping sections, those are just hard as hell.

Also, don't know if this has been mentioned or not, what kind of music would you guys consider this?

The reason why you have trouble memorizing it is because you don't understand the fundamentals of what's being played and most likely trying to learn it note for note from tablature. That's IMHO the worst way to learn a tune.

Genre is neoclassical shred basically.

Yeah I figured that out a while back, so I've been doing sweep exercises and scales, but since I'm not taking lessons or anything and I don't have a lot of time to play it makes it really hard.

Well there's the answer. Practice :p
 

Slickone

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Originally posted by: deathkoba
Yes many years is absolutely correct but you still need to understand HOW to practice and WHAT to practice in order to even get there. Most people aren't shown such things and create a mental barrier this way. Sure the tune in question is certainly not something to joke about if you compare it to non-virtuoso type of music like punk and classic rock. However it really isn't impossible, and there are far more crazier things you can do on the guitar that far surpasses the technicalities that makes it pretty much what I call...basic.

Now this still doesn't mean you can practice this stuff and kill yourself for the next 20 years and be able to play it like butter. In my opinion you have to be born with the natural talent to understand what sounds good and to be able to figure out how to sound good in addition to shedding blood and tears to exploit that ability. Most people can get to a certain level if they put their time and effort into it even though they may not sound good in the end. But the basic mechanics can definitely be achieved and that would be part of my goal in creating such tutorials. If 1 out of 1000 becomes a good sounding player utilizing some of that technique, I'm happy.
Makes sense.

Also, regarding your later post about using tab, there's no way I could just look/listen to that piece and even begin to play it. I don't really think starting with tab is a problem, since with me, I usually glance at the tab, try it, then often never look at it again. So after that, I usually play it with my own sound or the way I've heard the original (orig. artist playing) being played in my mind, rather than what I think the tab said. Would you say that's bad too?