I'm a GEEK/***IE 6.0 vs OPERA 6.0***/cough/*** wth is Bobcat!?

[Sketcher]

ROFL!! Couldn't resist. pathetic... I know.

I noticed GoHAnSoN's thread on Opera5/6 users and realized that in my complacency, the only other browser I've used before IE is Netscape. Netscape used to run circles around IE - but I've been a complacent IE user for years now. Ready to try something new!

1. So what's good about your browser of choice?

2. And while you're at it, give your best jab at the competition!

3. Who thinks "Google" should build a browser!?

For the Poll answers added after you've already put in your two cents, you'll have to post your props to let your voice be heard!

Oh yeah, and for all the requests to add Browsers to the poll:

1. They have to be Windows Browsers. (and fairly full featured - no text browsers).
2. You actually have to be using them (none of this "I heard" crap)
3. No Beta Browsers! Never mind the fact that there's one up there already.
4. Your request must be accompanied by a link - cuz I aint got the time to do'em all!


Obviously, IE takes what appears to be an insurmountable lead. So, is this simply the effect of Market Saturation and Complacency (such as my lack of knowledge of other browsers cuz I never looked) or is IE just that much better than the others!? I find it hard to believe with all the Flame about MS being Big Brother/Bloatware/Gate'ware/Micro-worst etc. that it isn't carrying over regarding Microsft Internet Explorer - or is it that they've actually done a good job here!? Yee Haw, bring on the FLAMES!! A good point or two would be appreciated though!


**Update**

<< So I downloaded OPERA and have decided to take the taste test. Runnin' Extended Desktop, EI 6.0 and Opera 6.0 side by side. Think I can get used to this Opera thing. Nice change in scenery.

1. Some pages do seem to load a little faster through Opera.
2. Banner Crap!? BUY OPERA!? $39.00 somebody smokin' crack?
3. As previously mentioned - Opera doesn't like MS sites.
4. Keep getting prompted for un-secure password transmission.
5. Don't think I like #4.
6. Toggle view panes are nice, as are the load stats @ page bottom.

Has anybody "bought" the Opera Browser? If so, any noticeable difference in performance - aside from the absence of banners? For Opera users what is it that you're saying is SO much Better in Opera? I'm finding nice touches here and there but nothing that begs a bias. >>

 

[MichaelD]

"Vulcan Mind-Melding Stuff" ROFL! Classic. IE all the way. What's a Mozilla? Godzilla's mother?

 

[pulse8]

IE.

Netscape seems slow and bloated to me and some pages don't look right in Opera.

 

[Sketcher]

<< "Vulcan Mind-Melding Stuff" ROFL! Classic. IE all the way. What's a Mozilla? Godzilla's mother? >>


I dunno what this Mozilla stuff is, just saw some chat about it. Perhaps someone can enlighten us!

 

[Czar]

Internet Explorer (all versions)
- Loads fast, and works well, bad side is security issues
Netscape (all versions)
- Was great but it turned bad and is turning good again, to bad it loads up very slow compared to the others
Opera (all versions)
- Love it, one problem I have is that css doesnt work on forms in opera so I dont use it
Mozilla (whatever the heck that is )
- almost the same as netscape, close enough and exactly the same problems.

 

[Sketcher]

Just downloaded Opera.

Backing the system up and going to give it a go!

 

[Random Variable]

Mozilla is a much more competent browser than it was only a few months ago.

 

[GigaCluster]

Mozilla is an open-source browser that supercedes Netscape. It's still in beta, but it's already very good. I'm using it right now. It has wonderful support for the standards -- something that neither Netscape nor IE can claim.

I think you should add "lynx" to the poll of browsers -- it's a text-only but still quite powerful browser for Unix/Linux operating systems.

No, I don't think Google should make a browser... they do a wonderful job indexing the web -- let's leave it at that. We don't want it becoming another Microsoft that thinks it's best at EVERYTHING.

 

[Sketcher]

<< GigaCluster

I think you should add "lynx" to the poll of browsers -- it's a text-only but still quite powerful browser for Unix/Linux operating systems. >>

Sorry Giga, not interested in Non-Windows Browsers at this time. I'm not discounting the power of Non-Windows Browsers, I just don't intend to be using any in the immediate future. Thanks for the Mozilla Linkgae BTW, so that's what it is!


Here's a linky link to a good resource I found while scratching around, if you have any of your own, please post them! Thx

Browser Watch

Sketch

 

[Elledan]

Mozilla is the most full-featured browser in existance today (well, at least for Windows and Linux). It has been my standard browser since version 0.6 =)

BTW, you should add Links to the poll. There's a version for Windows available

 

[royaldank]

<< Mozilla is an open-source browser that supercedes Netscape. It's still in beta, but it's already very good. I'm using it right now. It has wonderful support for the standards -- something that neither Netscape nor IE can claim.
>>



What does that mean (the 'standards' part)? I'm not flaming, but curious as to what you meant and maybe an example or to. I'm not too familiar with Mozilla or Opera, but I've been trying them out some over the past couple weeks. Opera seems pretty nice and Mozilla worked for everything I tried, but I'm just used to Netscape and IE.

 

[ravanux]

I'm an IE man, mainly cause I have always used it. It works for me so why should I change, ya know?

 

[Sketcher]

As per Elledan and GigaClusters request:

Whalla. Lynx added to Poll. But note that only because there's a windows port. Unfortunately, if you've already voted and like the LYNX, you'll have to resort to posting to give your props. Did some lookin' up of that critter - there's also Bobcat and, err, mutt or something

I agree with GigaCluster in that Google shouldn't make a browser for said reasons. But, and it's a BIG BUT, if their Browser is as good as their search engine... Now that'd be worth doin' now wouldn't it!!?

 

[GigaCluster]

<<

<< Mozilla is an open-source browser that supercedes Netscape. It's still in beta, but it's already very good. I'm using it right now. It has wonderful support for the standards -- something that neither Netscape nor IE can claim.
>>



What does that mean (the 'standards' part)? I'm not flaming, but curious as to what you meant and maybe an example or to. I'm not too familiar with Mozilla or Opera, but I've been trying them out some over the past couple weeks. Opera seems pretty nice and Mozilla worked for everything I tried, but I'm just used to Netscape and IE. >>


I'm not much of a web developer, so I cannot bring up too many examples, but here's one: the <BLINK> HTML tag. Netscape supported/supports it, while IE doesn't. That's what I mean by standards -- when all browsers agree on a single set of rules and don't implement their own "features." It's because of this lack of standards (or rather, the lack of cooperation to adopt existing standards) that a lot of web pages work well only with one browser. That is sad, considering that the Web was originally designed with portability and compatibility as one of its main advantages.

 

[Random Variable]

add K-Meleon to the poll

 

[Sketcher]

Alright Vespasian: K-Meleon (pronounced "Moh Zilla" ) is added to the poll.

Hold on now People!! You actually have to be USING these browsers!!!! I'm not on a road trip to find every browser out there, no matter how cute the name is! GOTTA BE USIN',

AND, for future suggestions for POLL additions, request must be accompanied by linkage! But I don't think there's gonna be much more for additions.

 

[Modeps]

um. IE.
why? because its made to work with the operating system. its fast. it rarely crashes on XP/2k. It's got all sorts of special things you can do with websites that make them cooler.

 

[GigaCluster]

<< It's got all sorts of special things you can do with websites that make them cooler. >>


This is exactly what I was talking about in my previous post about standards: those fools at Microsoft decided to make their browser "cooler" than anyone else's by implementing useless but cool-looking things that no other browser supports!

This is how the "Best viewed with Internet Explorer" messages came about.

 

[Sketcher]

<< um. IE.
why? because its made to work with the operating system. its fast. it rarely crashes on XP/2k. It's got all sorts of special things you can do with websites that make them cooler. >>


Agreed, but what are all the "special things" that tend to wind your clock? There's all kinds of all kinds of "special things". And, is this assertion made having experienced other browser functionality?

 

[Elledan]

*laughs*

when I said "Links", I didn't mean "Lynx", but "Links"

Links is the superior text-based browser. Lynx is for masochists who don't mind settling for a browser which hardly supports HTML 3.0

*ducks and runs*

 

[Elledan]

<< um. IE.
why? because its made to work with the operating system. its fast. it rarely crashes on XP/2k. It's got all sorts of special things you can do with websites that make them cooler. >>


Cool things? Ah, you mean non-standard, MSFT-proprietary implementations of HTML, CSS etc? Too bad these 'cool things' rarely work on any other platform than Windows, and most certainly not with a non-IE browser (sorry, Mac users, no 'cool stuff' for you all!)

These 'cool things' are exactly the reason why MSFT is called a monopoly: it uses its greater marketshare to enforce non-standard implementations on everyone in the browser-market and even outside this market no standard is safe. Remember Kerberos? MSFT has mutilated this standard and implemented its own version.

There are so many examples of MSFT ignoring standards and simply using them to create its own, proprietary version, which is then incompatible with any other programs, so that everyone is forced to use the MSFT version. In any normal country, MSFT would have received a severe punishment long ago, but alas, since MSFT is a big company in a mostly Capitalistic country, it's free to do anything it wants, without anyone being able to stop it.

Ah... that feels better

 

[Sketcher]

<< *laughs*
when I said "Links", I didn't mean "Lynx", but "Links"
Links is the superior text-based browser. Lynx is for masochists who don't mind settling for a browser which hardly supports HTML 3.0
*ducks and runs* >>


Got a link there for "LINK" Elledan? or are the Masochists keepin' ya down!

/sketcher steps out of way as Elledan runs from non-existent Lynx Masochists



<<

<< um. IE.
why? because its made to work with the operating system. its fast. it rarely crashes on XP/2k. It's got all sorts of special things you can do with websites that make them cooler. >>


Cool things? Ah, you mean non-standard, MSFT-proprietary implementations of HTML, CSS etc? Too bad these 'cool things' rarely work on any other platform than Windows, and most certainly not with a non-IE browser (sorry, Mac users, no 'cool stuff' for you all!)

These 'cool things' are exactly the reason why MSFT is called a monopoly: it uses its greater marketshare to enforce non-standard implementations on everyone in the browser-market and even outside this market no standard is safe. Remember Kerberos? MSFT has mutilated this standard and implemented its own version.

There are so many examples of MSFT ignoring standards and simply using them to create its own, proprietary version, which is then incompatible with any other programs, so that everyone is forced to use the MSFT version. In any normal country, MSFT would have received a severe punishment long ago, but alas, since MSFT is a big company in a mostly Capitalistic country, it's free to do anything it wants, without anyone being able to stop it.

Ah... that feels better >>

Yeah, but is it cool!?

 

[Elledan]

<<

<< *laughs*
when I said "Links", I didn't mean "Lynx", but "Links"
Links is the superior text-based browser. Lynx is for masochists who don't mind settling for a browser which hardly supports HTML 3.0
*ducks and runs* >>



Got a link there for "LINK" Elledan? or are the Masochists keepin' ya down!

/sketcher steps out of way as Elledan runs from non-existent Lynx Masochists >>


Here ya go...

 

[Random Variable]

<< K-Meleon (supposed unbloated version of Mozilla) >>


Don't forget to put "confirmed bloated version of Mozilla" next to Netscape.

 

[MichaelD]

Please add *Confirmed* Rooty-Tooty-Fresh 'n Fruity Browzilla-Peeper to your poll. It's a full-featured, ported Windoze runnable, Linux variant that has been around for 12 years now. It's only lately gained popularity due it's unconventional door-like (as opposed to "windows-like") GUI, which has been know to provoke epileptic seizures in those people predisposed to seizures, who also happen to be drinking apple juice, on a Tuesday, at sunrise, while wearing a bluish-purple jockstrap.


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That is making fun of all the folks who have named all these crap browserlets that no one has ever heard of before. Ever. Sketcher, you should've specified that more then 20 people worldwide have to use the browswer in order for said browser to be considered for inclusion in your poll!