I'm a bit behind but I have finally put GNC behind me for good.

Invisible Evil

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No more Mega Mens Health..The cost @ GNC is outragious (DUH) So Started on Animal Pak Multi Vitamins. So far I am very happy with what I am getting.. Anyone else use these?


GNC Multis @ 49.99 for 30 count box.

Animal Pak @ 19.99 for 45 count container... (winner)
 

MJinZ

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No... Animal Pak looks like it's packed with too much stuff.

I don't think anyone even needs anything more than a generic once a day multi-vitamin, if you have a decent diet.
 

KoolDrew

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I don't think anyone even needs anything more than a generic once a day multi-vitamin, if you have a decent diet.

Yup. I even thought the cost of Animal Pak was too much.
 

dfuze

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With Animal Pak, don't you have to take a couple sets a day?
That could add up quickly.
 

BHetrick

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I've used Netrition.com for a few years now. Good prices and $4.95 flat rate shipping. GNC is just too expensive, even with the gold membership.
 

Kipper

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No... Animal Pak looks like it's packed with too much stuff.

I don't think anyone even needs anything more than a generic once a day multi-vitamin, if you have a decent diet.

You don't even really need the daily multivitamin...Vitamin D is a decent idea to supplement, and so is fish oil. Beyond that...really a complete waste of money.
 

Alone

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I never understood Animal Pak. A friend told me today he was taking it, saying he had to cycle after 21 days or something. I asked him why he had to cycle a multi vit, he said it was anabolic. I pretty much gave up discussing it after that.
 

polarmystery

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I never understood Animal Pak. A friend told me today he was taking it, saying he had to cycle after 21 days or something. I asked him why he had to cycle a multi vit, he said it was anabolic. I pretty much gave up discussing it after that.

I take it since I got it for cheap when it was on sale. I don't mind the amount they have per pack and I only take 1 pack in the morning. After I run out though, I'll probably stop taking it. My diet is on point, so it's not needed. But since I have it, might as well use it until it runs out.

Edit: I actually noticed a health-wise improvement when I started taking it...meaning I didn't feel as tired as before. It could have been my diet however which I haven't ruled it out though.
 

Kipper

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I take it since I got it for cheap when it was on sale. I don't mind the amount they have per pack and I only take 1 pack in the morning. After I run out though, I'll probably stop taking it. My diet is on point, so it's not needed. But since I have it, might as well use it until it runs out.

Edit: I actually noticed a health-wise improvement when I started taking it...meaning I didn't feel as tired as before. It could have been my diet however which I haven't ruled it out though.

...Or any one of a million completely unrelated things. Two words: placebo effect.
 

Zebo

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You don't even really need the daily multivitamin...Vitamin D is a decent idea to supplement, and so is fish oil. Beyond that...really a complete waste of money.

Is this really true? I eat vitamins,.. 2 multipaks a day and liquids and emergenC to wash it down. I eat kinda what I want and no rabbit food. I hate rabbit food. I run 6x a week and frankly feel drained if I do not take my vitamins... could be placebo tho. I dont know but it's very pronounced deficit. As in I'm almost positive vitamins are helping. Just asking what you base this on.
 

darkewaffle

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It's true if you have a balanced diet, it really doesn't take much to reach your RDA for most nutrients. However if you lack fruit and vegetables a multi-vitamin is probably appropriate for coverage.
 
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Is this really true? I eat vitamins,.. 2 multipaks a day and liquids and emergenC to wash it down. I eat kinda what I want and no rabbit food. I hate rabbit food. I run 6x a week and frankly feel drained if I do not take my vitamins... could be placebo tho. I dont know but it's very pronounced deficit. As in I'm almost positive vitamins are helping. Just asking what you base this on.

You're drained because of your lackluster diet, not because you take multivitamins.
 

SlitheryDee

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GNC with the gold card discount in the first week of the month will usually come close to matching the best online deal you can find, and you get to walk out with your supplement in-hand. I have no problem shopping there as long as I'm getting the 20% off.

On the subject at hand, I think you'd get about as much benefit taking some generic multivitamin as with those marketed toward bodybuilders though, so you're still getting ripped on price IMO.
 

HomerX

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You're drained because of your lackluster diet, not because you take multivitamins.

I think you missread there something....

he isn't drained because he takes multivitamins... he feels drained if he doesn't take any multivitamins.

so the question is: if you have a lackluster diet (and you are not willing to change it) do multivitamins help/compensate?
 

Alone

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Vitamins aren't a miracle drug. They're a supplement for a deficiency in what you should normally have. You can't eat like shit and take a multi a day and expect to feel good.

So, in short, yes they help, no they don't compensate.
 

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i don't use it but animal pak gets solid reviews everywhere. there is supposed to be a noticeable energy benefit associated i with it. it's expensive though.

who says you have to be eating like shit to supplement?
 

Kipper

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I think you missread there something....

he isn't drained because he takes multivitamins... he feels drained if he doesn't take any multivitamins.

so the question is: if you have a lackluster diet (and you are not willing to change it) do multivitamins help/compensate?

You are assuming a chain of things a.) that his eating habits cause him to have a deficiency in certain vitamins, b.) that these deficiencies "cause" very nonspecific symptoms, such as "being drained," and that c.) "correcting" this alleged "deficiency" fixes the problem...magic!

Feeling "drained" could be attributed to any one of a bajillion different causes, least among them an alleged vitamin "deficiency." If there was truly a significant deficiency of vitamin, HIGHLY unlikely because of fortification in the food system, you can be sure that it would manifest with clinical symptoms.

If you are not eating enough calories, certainly, a MVI can help. But that isn't usually the case in American diets, and especially not so with men (I'm assuming most people on this forum are male).
 

Kipper

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Is this really true? I eat vitamins,.. 2 multipaks a day and liquids and emergenC to wash it down. I eat kinda what I want and no rabbit food. I hate rabbit food. I run 6x a week and frankly feel drained if I do not take my vitamins... could be placebo tho. I dont know but it's very pronounced deficit. As in I'm almost positive vitamins are helping. Just asking what you base this on.
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It's obviously placebo. With the exception of vitamin D, the vitamins are so widespread in the food system you're taking in more enough. Everything processed is heavily fortified, so encountering actual deficiency is rare unless you have a condition that cuts into calories (like alcoholism), a chronic medical condition or some sort of dietary restriction (caloric restriction or veganism).

Doesn't look to be the case for you.
 
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I just don't see how, with all that's taken out of processed food, enough is put back in to prevent vitamin deficiencies, especially with all nutritionless filler that makes up so much of the volume of this kind of food. I suspect anyone eating mostly processed foods is getting more than adequate amounts of certain fortified vitamins and woefully inadequate amounts of others.

Also, there is a lot of research coming along showing that what we thought were adequate levels to prevent deficiency aren't quite as adequate as we thought. It may be enough to stave off acute illnesses like rickets or scurvy, but not enough to prevent slower developing chronic diseases and attrition issues. Most fortification is done with those old targets in mind, compounding my doubts of getting real adequate levels from fortified food.

Certainly there are multi's out there that are just absolute overkill, but I don't think you can be dismissive of them in general given what we know of nutrition, what we still don't know, and the current state of our food supply.
 

Zebo

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I don't eat processed foods I eat meat lots of it even for breakfast. I eat organic short grain brown rice a lot as filler and oatmeal for breakfast.

There has to be some truth to taking vitamins. I used to get sick - for the longest time everytime I'd start a workout plan I'd get sick first two weeks in. Flu or something. Back to square #1. Until I found vitamins and emergenC.

Someone told me you sweat all nurtriants out and become suseptable to everything with intense workouts. Maybe bullshit but I have not been sick in 10 years.
 

Alone

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I take multivits every day just in case, and because they're too cheap not to. I follow a reasonably healthy diet, and I still get sick.

It's mostly chance.
 

spamsk8r

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I haven't taken a multi for at least a year now, and I feel perfectly fine without. I also eat tons of vegetables and fruit, grass-fed meats, and healthy fats. I think a whole food diet comprised of nutritious foods more than takes care of our vitamin requirements.

Since I work indoors I do supplement with vitamin D, as well as fish oil for recovery and omega3/omega6 balance, but I just find multivitamins to be a waste of money.
 

Kipper

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I just don't see how, with all that's taken out of processed food, enough is put back in to prevent vitamin deficiencies, especially with all nutritionless filler that makes up so much of the volume of this kind of food. I suspect anyone eating mostly processed foods is getting more than adequate amounts of certain fortified vitamins and woefully inadequate amounts of others.

Also, there is a lot of research coming along showing that what we thought were adequate levels to prevent deficiency aren't quite as adequate as we thought. It may be enough to stave off acute illnesses like rickets or scurvy, but not enough to prevent slower developing chronic diseases and attrition issues. Most fortification is done with those old targets in mind, compounding my doubts of getting real adequate levels from fortified food.

Certainly there are multi's out there that are just absolute overkill, but I don't think you can be dismissive of them in general given what we know of nutrition, what we still don't know, and the current state of our food supply.

I feel like I have been over and over and over this in this forum - and it is a testament to industry-sponsored spin and misinformation. There are a few micronutrients which intakes are suspected to be suboptimal, and these would be vitamin D, calcium, magnesium, iron (in some populations), to name a few. Of these, in my opinion, the only clear case for supplementing can be made for vitamin D, and that's because there are precious few natural sources of the vitamin - and dairy is so poorly fortified.

The "emergent research" you're citing that finds micronutrients have a role to play in disease prevention is only for SOME of them, notably vitamin K, vitamin D, magnesium, and calcium. Of these, D is probably the best researched - and I personally do 2000 IU every day. Some of the scientific support for them rests heavily on epidemiological studies, which are unable to tease out the differences in peoples' diets. All they can tell you is that intakes higher in nutrient X produced less of disease Y. In other words, there is not enough research in the majority of cases.

I also fear that you're falling into the multivitamin panacea trap. Taking a multivitamin is not going to stave off chronic disease if you aren't doing anything else right. For example, chromium has been found to help diabetics control their blood sugars, but it doesn't cure diabetes - taking chromium is not going to help you if you are gaining weight and going crazy with the carbs. People swear by vitamin C, but there is almost zero clinical evidence that it does any good to prevent any kind of disease, weak evidence that it might help lessen the duration of a cold (by maybe a half-day, at best) and the total body pool of vitamin C is around 100 mg or so, anywhere from 1/5th to 1/10th the common dosage in supplements. The fact that a lot of these supplements have no scientific evidence notwithstanding, I just don't see what a few extra milligrams of one micronutrient or another to address an alleged "deficiency" is going to do. I do see that it could slow progress at trying to get people to adopt healthier lifestyles.

There is also real, verifiable harm associated with use of supplements. Even Vitamin D, which is back in favor, can cause serious harm if overconsumed (infant formulas over supplemented with vitamin D a long time ago caused huge problems). Example: two major studies of vitamins A and E were terminated early after use of the supplements was associated with HIGHER risk for developing cancer in the study populations (these are the well-known CARET and ATBC studies). Another example: folate is a major player in DNA synthesis, and a commonly used chemotherapy drug (methotrexate) blocks the action of folate on DNA. In theory, people using multivitamins that provide mega-doses of folate could be spurring their cancer along without knowing it. This was one of the major arguments raised against fortifying flours and cereals with folic acid a generation ago. Example 3: antioxidants work in the body by inactivating oxidant substances. The theory is, oxidation produces DNA damage -> cancer. So the thinking goes, more antioxidants, less cancer. So people pop C and E all day. As I've written, E was associated with higher risk for cancer. There's some theorizing that overuse of antioxidants and antioxidant vitamins may actually inhibit your body's ability to cope with oxidative stress (which, believe it or not, affects your ability to recover from exercise!).

All said and done, I really don't think that you can make a good case for supplementation in healthy populations, with the exception of vitamin D. Obviously, a multivitamin for pregnant women is a good idea, in the elderly, infants, etc. But I don't see a multivitamin making any major contribution to preventing chronic disease in the absence of major lifestyle changes, and very little scientific support that doses above current levels for a majority of micronutrients is actually beneficial. I'm having a hard time seeing the upside to their use besides contributing to a supplement company's bottom line, and it just seems to encourage complacence. As I've said, there is a huge potential downside to them as well measured not in dollars, but in health.

Cliffs notes:
-Limited to no scientific evidence to justify large doses, except for vitamin D. A multivitamin is not going to prevent you from getting chronic diseases if you treat your body like garbage, and is marketed as a panacea. Documented downsides to vitamin use, such as an increased risk of cancer in susceptible populations with use of vitamins A and E, and plenty of other theoretical drawbacks. Conclusion: the "cheap insurance" theory just doesn't hold water.
 
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Going over and over your info is more of a testament to how unconvincing it is. What I think we can all agree on is that no, there isn't enough research on this. You're taking a chance, supplementing vitamins or not.