Ilyama monitor users

penclboy

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I am in the process of putting a computer together and I would like to get some feedback from Ilyama monitor users... I checked out ZDnet and Cnet and they rate the 450 visionmaster pro as a moderate buy (i.e. a 5 out of ten, 3 of 5 stars like). Anand's review is much better and highly recommends the monitor. I tend to go with Anand over either ZDnet or Cnet, but both of them combined? Well maybe I just need reassurance so please let me know what you think! :D:)
 

OneOfTheseDays

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I will give you my honest opinion. This monitor has very good colors and it is very sharp. However you need a very good video card, because it reveals the flaws in cheaper video cards. I recommend some good bnc cables to get the highest quality 2d. I don't recommend this monitor with a geforce 2 gts if you mainly want 2d. For 2d, i suggest you get a matrox card and pair it up with this monitor. YOu wont be disappointed.
 

Gunbuster

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They are great monitors but Sudheer Anne is right, it will show any flaws (geforce: right shifted image ghost) (radion: image shimmer)

Good cables help. if you call iiyama and give your serial they will send you a bnc (for the 510 at least)
 

quadcells

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Hello penclboy,
I have the IIyama VisionMaster 450 19" w/3D Prophet GTS and I think it looks great, 2D and 3D.
I don't understand this GTS 2d problem, looks great to me, Maybe my eye sight isn't that good.
 

penclboy

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Thanks for the great info guys! I hope to run at 1240*1024 or higher in 2D with at least a 75 Hz refresh... Is the GTS really that bad? I have read a few articles on the web for how to increase the Geforce crispness by taking out some inductors, have any of you done that? and if so does it really make a difference? (Frankly I would really like nice vived 3D performance over 2D performance if push came to shove)
 

Ausm

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I Use an iiyama visionmaster pro 450 and I think it is the best monitor to be found. I also agree it requires a very high quality video card.

Ausm
 

Shagga

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I bought a BNC cable and I don't think it makes much of a difference to pic/text quality. Particularly at 1280 x 1024.

I'm running the GeForce DDR and I have the same issues with 2D. I e-mailed nVidia and actually got a reply. They did say however that some cards were better than others and this issue was being looked into. They did say that it was up to companies such as Creative etc to get this side right also.

The monitor rocks. I just hope the NV20's 2D is far better though. Particularly, cos I guess the card will cost as much as the monitor. :)

 

Que-TiP

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i have the king mother moniter..the vision master pro 510
its excellent..i run a geforce ddr with it and i am satisfied, but my next video card will have to be matrox..the combination is unbeatable
 

tonyou

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I was one of the early adopters of flat CRT's when they came out. I've had my Vision Master Pro 450 since February of l999 and I agree with everybody here that video cards make a big difference on this monitor. Right now I am using a Matrox G400 Max and running clear and sharp at 1280x960 @ 85Hz. I am on my computer almost all day and I do not get eye strain at all...

Tony
 

LXi

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I highly recommend the Samsung SyncMaster 900NF or KDS AV-195TF over it, they're both cheaper, better, w/ higher specs and better warranty.
 

Midnight Rambler

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<< I highly recommend the Samsung SyncMaster 900NF or KDS AV-195TF over it, they're both cheaper, better, w/ higher specs and better warranty >>

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree somewhat. First off, Iiyama has the absolute finest, most cooperative support service I have ever experienced with any company. I own two of their 17&quot; models, and one went on me with only 3 months of warranty left. Not only did they send me a new (not refurb) unit, they paid the shipping both ways. As far as specs, Iiyama consistently has some of the highest refresh rates around. If you compare their unit to an equivalent Mitsubishi DiamondTron unit (Iiyama uses the Mitsubishi CRTs in their AG monitors), Iiyama always has higher refresh rates than Mitsubishi does. And geometry-wise, my Iiyamas are as near perfect as any AG monitor I have ever dealt with. One of them I never had to tweak other than width, height, and centering. That is very rare for an AG monitor.

Right now you'd have to give me anything based on a Sony tube, such as a Sony or a KDS. See my thread on Sony G400's for more info. Looks like I'm not alone there either ...

Samsung is OK, but I think Iiyama is a bit better, at least from the units I have seen.
 

LXi

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<<I'm sorry, but I have to disagree somewhat. First off, Iiyama has the absolute finest, most cooperative support service I have ever experienced with any company. I own two of their 17&quot; models, and one went on me with only 3 months of warranty left. Not only did they send me a new (not refurb) unit, they paid the shipping both ways.>>

To date, I havent heard of any warranty policy that can be comparable to Samsung's and KDS's warranty program. Go around ask a KDS owner, they'll tell you how good their KARES program is, generally acknowledged as the best in the market. Samsung also offer similar program to KARES, and also satisfied a lot of users.



<<As far as specs, Iiyama consistently has some of the highest refresh rates around. If you compare their unit to an equivalent Mitsubishi DiamondTron unit (Iiyama uses the Mitsubishi CRTs in their AG monitors), Iiyama always has higher refresh rates than Mitsubishi does. And geometry-wise, my Iiyamas are as near perfect as any AG monitor I have ever dealt with. One of them I never had to tweak other than width, height, and centering. That is very rare for an AG monitor.>>

Are you trying to convince me that your Iiyama is the only AG monitor capable of performing those tasks? Let's see, you claim they always have the highest res, how about the VisionMaster Pro 451 max out at 1920x1440 while the Samsung SyncMaster 900NF will take you up to 2048x1536? Same with the KDS. If that wanst enough, both Samsung and KDS come in at approximately $150 cheaper than the Iiyama. Now whats a better choice?



<<Right now you'd have to give me anything based on a Sony tube, such as a Sony or a KDS. See my thread on Sony G400's for more info. Looks like I'm not alone there either ...>>

Whats wrong with them?


<<Samsung is OK, but I think Iiyama is a bit better, at least from the units I have seen.>>

That would be an understatement. Samsung is NOT OK, Samsung is excellent.

 

Lore

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I agree 100% with LXi.

Iiyama *may* have a good warranty and customer service policy, but seeing that I have never dealt with them, I cannot give you any first hand experience.

However, having dealt with KDS before, I can say without a doubt that they have one of the best &quot;no questions asked&quot; policies when it comes to customer service and replacing their monitors if yours goes out.

Samsung and KDS monitors have been consistently rated very high (if not #1) by our users, not only because their prices are extremely competitive, but also because their product construction is superior to other monitors. I remember when people wondered why the KDS was so cheap; I believe the poster argued that the Sony &quot;defect&quot; tubes were the ones sold to KDS, and therefore the price was a lot lower. However, why are the Samsungs (900NF, for example) also so inexpensive? I guess Mitsubishi sells &quot;defective&quot; tubes to Samsung as well? NO! Of course not. KDS and Samsung are simply manufacturing their monitors at a level much closer to cost than Sony and Mitsubishi, respectively.

Also, just because the FD Trinitron is used in both the G400 and KDS AV-195TF does _not_ mean that both have problems because the Sony G400 has problems. It is a well-known fact that a tube (FD Trinitron or Diamondtron NF) without its electronic components is simply a tube - NOT a monitor! That means the manufacturer (Sony _or_ KDS) has the option to design their own components, choose the quality of parts they will use, and choose the manufacturing method. This can cause great discrepancy between the quality of a KDS AV-195TF and a Sony G400.

But anyway, use your best visual judgement when choosing a monitor. When someone says that a FD Trinitron is better than a Mitsubishi Diamondtron, it is only _you_ that can make that call. Buy the one you want from a retailer that has a good return policy, check it out, and return it if you don't like it.
 

Midnight Rambler

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LXi: You seem to have a problem when people express an opinion different from yours. It's only an opinion afterall, and I only said I disagreed &quot;somewhat&quot;, not totally. Just like in the thread for i815 motherboards. You kept insisting that MSI was better than Asus, but admitted that you don't have either one. How can you state something as fact when you don't even have one, or haven't worked with one? As for the issue of warranty/service programs, KDS' and Iiyama's are actually pretty much exactly the same. Why don't you check it out before you claim otherwise? Also, you misrepresented what I said. I did not refer to Iiyama's having higher resolutions, I said higher refresh rates. That's a big difference, vs. the resolution argument you make. I'd say it's a lot harder to engineer in higher refresh rates than it is to offer higher resolutions. As far as the statement I made about geometry on the Iiyamas, it was only made as an example of their quality in my opinion. No where in my prior post did you find me saying that KDS or Samsung was inferior just because I had had very good experiences with the Iiyamas.

What's wrong with Sony CRT's. Well, a lot of problems with misconvergence, as well as geometry problems, at least with Sony models. Give Onvia a call and see what kind of a nightmare they are having with returns on Sony's. Ask for M. Manthos, she's a CSR lead who has been specifically assigned to this task due to so many returns/problems.
 

LXi

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Midnight Rambler

<<You seem to have a problem when people express an opinion different from yours. It's only an opinion afterall, and I only said I disagreed &quot;somewhat&quot;, not totally.>>

Uh... no, I never have a problem with other's opinion. But you didnt sound like you were expressing opinion, you sounded like I was bullshitting, and tried to put your Iiyama to the absolute best which isnt true at all.



<<Just like in the thread for i815 motherboards. You kept insisting that MSI was better than Asus, but admitted that you don't have either one.>>

You dont have to own something to make sound judgements. After all Im running on Asus boards, just not the CUSL2. I have had experience with both boards, and I did lots of research before claiming anything. Generally acknowledged by many that Asus is going downhill in quality because they want to slap every feature they can and be the first to the market. I have heard and seen way too many minor issues with the CUSL2, it's a huge headache. The 815E Pro on the other hand, is a lot easier to deal with than the CUSL2, again thats my opinion, I've worked with them and thats what I concluded. The features are on par if not better, and the MSI is cheaper. Given that it's less troublesome than the Asus, why should I not recommend it?



<<How can you state something as fact when you don't even have one, or haven't worked with one? As for the issue of warranty/service programs, KDS' and Iiyama's are actually pretty much exactly the same. Why don't you check it out before you claim otherwise?>>

Again, you dont have to own something to make good recommendations. And Im NOT bullshitting when I make recommendations. I havent heard of anything about Iiyama's warranty, but I know for a fact that KDS has the best warranty in the market. Lore can clarify this because he's dealt with many monitors before.



<<Also, you misrepresented what I said. I did not refer to Iiyama's having higher resolutions, I said higher refresh rates. That's a big difference, vs. the resolution argument you make. I'd say it's a lot harder to engineer in higher refresh rates than it is to offer higher resolutions.>>

Ok grant it, but still higher resolution is better, doesnt matter if its harder or easier to engineer. Say, the VisionMaster Pro 451 goes to as high as 90Hz@1600x1200, the Samsung 900NF, on the other hand, does 89Hz at the same res. Granted, Iiyama wins. But if you look at the price, which is about $100-150 difference, the 900NF would be a better purchase. Again Im not trying to be your nightmare or anything, I was just expressing my opinion that Samsung and KDS are better buys because of their high performance/price ratio, I thought the creator of thread might be interested.


<<As far as the statement I made about geometry on the Iiyamas, it was only made as an example of their quality in my opinion. No where in my prior post did you find me saying that KDS or Samsung was inferior just because I had had very good experiences with the Iiyamas.>>

Ok, but you sure sounded like KDS and Samsung are inferior because of the superiority you claim for the Iiyama monitors.


<<What's wrong with Sony CRT's. Well, a lot of problems with misconvergence, as well as geometry problems, at least with Sony models. Give Onvia a call and see what kind of a nightmare they are having with returns on Sony's. Ask for M. Manthos, she's a CSR lead who has been specifically assigned to this task due to so many returns/problems.>>

Im not making any Sony recommendations. You can ask Lore, who has had experience with both Sony and KDS. And somehow these issues and problems magically dissappear when KDS manufacturered them, it left me wondering for a while, and to date, I still dont understand how KDS gotten rid of those problems.
 

noxipoo

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sounds like midnight is winning :p anyway i'm looking at a pro 510 for my next monitor
 

Midnight Rambler

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There is no attempt to win anything, only clarify points.

LXi has his, I have mine. Others have their own. Nobody is 100% correct in their opinions.

I think most people would be more than happy with either a KDS or an Iiyama. I just happen to like Iiyama a bit better because I have had better experiences with them. Regardless of their quality or specs, both companies definitely have top service support programs backing them up.

As for Sony, they can definitely kiss my A$$ ... :Q
 

Hamburgerpimp

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Iiyama is the best monitor you will buy for the money, I just bought a VMPro 510/22&quot; and it is awesome. So, anyone interested I have my 17&quot; VMPro410 for sale for $300 shipped, only 3months old.
 

Radboy

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I agree w/ Midnight. And I beat Tonyou to the punch - getting mine Dec '98, when they 1st came out. Got a good, quality 5BNC cable for it, too. Had Matrox G200 first (w/ V2_SLI), then V3-3K (to buy more PCI slots), now Radeon DDR 32MB (heaven).

Run desktop at 1280x1024, 32-bit, 90 refresh, game at 1024x768, 32-bit.

Not saying Lxi is wrong, cuz I 've never used that monitor.

This thing is flat. I mean, F-L-A-T flat, fatter than my 1st girlfriend.

Whe I got my 1st VM Pro 450, it had a half-dollar sized hole punched out of plastic (looked like fork-truck poke). Still worked fine, w/ hole. Called Iiyama North America.

The 2-day FedEx drop-shipped me new one, no questions asked (except for 'where do u want us to send this?').

Paid to have old/broke shipped back at my leisure. You won't find that many places.
 

LXi

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Midnight: I just have one more question. You said SonicTron is produced by Matsushita(Panasonic's parent company? Why didnt Panasonic produce any AG monoitors?). Well from what I saw, the SonicTron is just DiamondTron with another name, ViewSonic use the name SonicTron with their AG monitors.