Illinois sets up its own version of the Dream Act

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Illinois' Bad Dream

Posted 08/02/2011 07:06 PM ET
Immigration: An insolvent state hemorrhaging jobs enacts its version of the federal DREAM Act, holding out another carrot to illegal aliens by setting up a college scholarship fund for their children.

Illinois' Democratic Gov. Pat Quinn on Monday illustrated why liberals tend to run governments and economies into the ground by signing into law Monday the Illinois DREAM (Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors) Act, a seemingly innocuous and compassionate piece of legislation that sets up scholarships for anyone with a Social Security number or taxpayer identification number.

At a time when the Land of Lincoln is driving away business and jobs through increasingly burdensome taxation, liberal ideology trumps practicality by seeking to attract illegal immigrants to a state struggling to meet the needs of its citizens.

It seeks to educate the children of illegal aliens to compete for jobs American citizens can't find. An estimated 95,000 children of illegal aliens will benefit.

Supporters say that since the scholarships are privately funded, and Quinn was quick to make his own $1,000 donation, no state money is involved.

Yet state money will go to support a nine-member commission to establish and dispense these scholarships. State money goes to fund another interesting part of the law, the requirement for high school teachers and counselors to get special sensitivity training on the needs of illegal immigrants.

Our health care and education systems, as well as other public services, are already overburdened by the demands of serving a growing illegal alien population, yet states such as Illinois as well as the Obama administration constantly seek new ways to ring the dinner bell.

Illinois, like other states, already offers in-state tuition rates to illegal immigrants at public universities, making it easier for the child of an illegal alien from Guadalajara to attend an Illinois university than, say, the child of a Marine in Des Moines just back from Afghanistan.

Republican State Rep. David Harris of Arlington Heights voted against the measure. "Why are we setting up a state structure to handle private money? It doesn't make sense to me," he said.

State Sen. Kyle McCarter, also a Republican, told the Bellville News Democrat: "The state of Illinois holds a big carrot out to illegal immigrants in the way of Medicaid and many other benefits, and this is just one more way we're encouraging illegal immigration."

Encouraging illegal immigration is a cause celebre among liberals who see it as a way to placate and fatten up before 2012 a key political base. Amid budgetary chaos, Illinois Senate Minority Whip Dick Durbin of Illinois recently announced first-ever Senate hearings on his favorite cause, the federal DREAM Act, saying his proposal would "make our country stronger."

Cutting spending and taxes, and creating jobs might also help, senator.

Opposed by a majority of the American people and twice defeated in Congress, the federal DREAM Act essentially grants amnesty to any illegal alien residing in the U.S. if he or she agrees to enlist in the U.S. military or to attend a U.S. college.

It's called a "path to citizenship" — a path that leads right past the U.S. Border Patrol.

President Obama recently sought to impose it via executive order in the form of a memo to John Morton, director of I.C.E. (Immigration and Customs Enforcement). The memo directs agents to use "prosecutorial discretion" when enforcing U.S. immigration laws.

The list of suggested exemptions includes factors similar to those in the DREAM Act.

This isn't the first time President Obama has sidestepped the law, the will of the American people and the intent of Congress to pursue his progressive agenda through administrative fiat.

Meanwhile, our ship of state continues to list to port as the president and his home state of Illinois encourage more illegal aliens to come aboard.

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/580303/201108021906/Illinois-Bad-Dream.aspx

How is this remotely fiscally responsible? Even IF most of the funding is private, as stated in the article, why is the state getting involved, and how are they even able to do this out in the open? You'd think the second an illegal immigrant is discovered, they'd get rounded up.
 

HendrixFan

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The article isn't clear, are these children illegal also or are they legal children of illegal parents?
 

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I don't think illegals can get SSNs, so probably legal children of illegal parents.
 

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Couldn't it also benefit the legal children of legal parents? I think they havs SSNs too.

Depends on how it is worded, but the name is:

DREAM (Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors)

The whole thing is confusing. If they are alien minors, they wouldn't have SSNs. If it is for minors that are born to aliens, they would have SSNs but the name of the legislation is pretty misleading. I'd sure like to see a less slanted take that hopefully would have more information and less editorializing.
 

Infohawk

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Let's all race to the bottom to see who can be more third-world faster! California universities don't even have enough room in their classes at this point but somehow they can choose illegals over citizens. Disgusting.
 

TechBoyJK

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Let's all race to the bottom to see who can be more third-world faster! California universities don't even have enough room in their classes at this point but somehow they can choose illegals over citizens. Disgusting.

I think that's where the rage is.

Illinois is drowning in debt, and can't even keep it's head above water.

Many legit students of all races and walks of life can't even get into some public universities because room is being made for illegal citizens.
 

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Depends on how it is worded, but the name is:

DREAM (Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors)

The whole thing is confusing. If they are alien minors, they wouldn't have SSNs. If it is for minors that are born to aliens, they would have SSNs but the name of the legislation is pretty misleading. I'd sure like to see a less slanted take that hopefully would have more information and less editorializing.

An "alien minor" could be a "legal alien minor."

The way the dream act website words it:
The Act authorizes the Illinois DREAM Fund to provide scholarships to students who... ...have at least one immigrant parent

An "immigrant parent" could be a "legal immigrant parent."
 

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The article brings up another good point... Reminding us that Illinois has been literally hemorrhaging jobs to neighboring states since they raised taxes... Something democrats and liberals said was a ridiculous idea to entertain. "companies won't just pick up and leave!". Jokes on them.
 

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Just when you think we've seen boundaries of stupidity, the dimlibs show us stupidity can be taken to yet another level. The people of Illinois deserve what they get by voting those morons into office.
 

Ronstang

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The evidence has been mounting faster then ever lately. When are people going to accept that liberalism is a mental disorder?
 

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The merits of this program aside, it is a beautiful development to see more states thumbing their noses at the feds. This is a step in the right direction. Give it a while and we might see the DEA being openly ridiculed for being a decrepit failure by state governors too.
 

TechBoyJK

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The evidence has been mounting faster then ever lately. When are people going to accept that liberalism is a mental disorder?

Yea, it's pretty retarded, and basically shows a disconnect from real world fiscal responsibility.

Look, I love people. I see people everyday that I wish I could help.

But you don't see me taking out credit cards that I can't afford to buy cheeseburgers for people who choose not to work and be lazy or are homeless because they just got out of jail and can't find a job.

If I was rich, I might help, but it'd be stupid for me to drive myself into unsustainable debt because I'm handing out money I don't have to help people.

It's like the crazy old lady who's spending her retirement income on some random non threatened bird species because she can't see past some short sided moral argument of 'but think of the birds!!!'
 

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http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/580303/201108021906/Illinois-Bad-Dream.aspx

How is this remotely fiscally responsible? Even IF most of the funding is private, as stated in the article, why is the state getting involved, and how are they even able to do this out in the open? You'd think the second an illegal immigrant is discovered, they'd get rounded up.

Seriously, you think we don't know where illegals are?

The problem is not a lack of knowledge, it's what we do with it. For the past 30 years the only enforcement we've had on our border has been for public relations (PR). It's a shell game, a dog and pony show with the INTENTION of letting the vast majority stay here indefinitely.

The ones rounded up are a small fraction used to placate us. Every so often they throw the dog a bone on some deportation quota, with a wink and a nod that those poor saps will find their way back here tomorrow.

Now that a generation has passed the Dems have started to openly discuss and promote an open border. By starting to fight for the illegal's 'right' to be here, with open government support and effective legalization.

The problem is not knowing where 30 million people are, the problem is the open borders agenda as enforced by our government. You could point out each and every illegal, the government will do nothing about it.

You want to talk about tuition, remove the entire concept of illegal from the discussion and you'll understand the state of Illinois and its current actions on sending people to college. You'll also understand our elected officials who have done this.
 

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Sounds like it's extremely inexpensive, and only awards scholarships to citizens, who are children of immigrants (whether the parent is legal or illegal.) Is the rage that some of the parents of these children are illegals, or that small amounts of tax payer money are going toward any sort of scholarship program?

The article strikes me as nonsense and the remainder of the thread is the usual suspects who rage about anything even remotely connected to illegal aliens, clearly the most ebil human beings on the planet earth.
 

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Looks like this is being aimed at children of immigrants, i.e. legal. Hope it works.
 

bfdd

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I think that's where the rage is.

Illinois is drowning in debt, and can't even keep it's head above water.

Many legit students of all races and walks of life can't even get into some public universities because room is being made for illegal aliens.
ftfy

anyways, why do you think there's such a big push to not call them "illegal" any more? So they can push through like this without people batting an eye. hence the reason they scream "RACIST!" every time you peep up in response. it's lolsy

btw I agree with what nonlnear is sayin
 

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"Illinois Governor Pat Quinn signed a law Monday that gives undocumented immigrants access to private scholarships for college."

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=8281827

If they were legal they wouldn't be undocumented.

I was able to find the text and that appears to be correct. The reference to needing a social security number in the OP's article is related to a different part the statute, something about college savings funds. The scholarship part has no citizenship requirement, only a requirement of 3 years residence in Illinois.
 

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Illinois sets up its own version of the Dream Act

How is this remotely fiscally responsible? Even IF most of the funding is private, as stated in the article, why is the state getting involved, and how are they even able to do this out in the open? You'd think the second an illegal immigrant is discovered, they'd get rounded up.

School enrollment is down with the decimation of the middle class so now they have come up with a way of propping up enrollment with the children from the illegals.
 

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I think that's where the rage is.

Illinois is drowning in debt, and can't even keep it's head above water.

Many legit students of all races and walks of life can't even get into some public universities because room is being made for illegal citizens.

This isn't true for IL public universities though. Several have seen enrollment drop like crazy in recent years.
 

bfdd

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School enrollment is down with the decimation of the middle class so now they have come up with a way of propping up enrollment with the children from the illegals.

gota make sure them gov't workers get paid!

fucking silliest shit evar.
 

rudder

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The governor of IL could always raise taxes just a little more for the additional funding. I don't think there was any significant issues resulting from the last tax increase.