Illinois Governor to Allow Online Rx Imports

[alchemize]

Illinois first to help buy drugs abroad

Nanny state at it again

This is interesting. If jobs can be outsourced to lower cost areas, why can't drugs?

Rod Blajoeiovicicheh takes an interesting stance on this - might find himself in court. I must be turning into a liberal.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Illinois first to help buy drugs abroad

Nanny state at it again

This is interesting. If jobs can be outsourced to lower cost areas, why can't drugs?

Rod Blajoeiovicicheh takes an interesting stance on this - might find himself in court. I must be turning into a liberal.

This wont last long as the drug makers will raise the prices of drugs of in Canada as exports of drugs increase into the US.

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

When the day of revolution comes the heads of the pharmaceutical giants should be among the first punished for their crimes.

Hey, a patriot can dream can't he? Oh well... at least I have found a more humane environment in my adopted country.

Go Aussie!

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: alchemize
Illinois first to help buy drugs abroad

Nanny state at it again

This is interesting. If jobs can be outsourced to lower cost areas, why can't drugs?

Rod Blajoeiovicicheh takes an interesting stance on this - might find himself in court. I must be turning into a liberal.

This wont last long as the drug makers will raise the prices of drugs of in Canada as exports of drugs increase into the US.

That's what makes this interesting - in order to hedge this possibility - Illinois is going to Europe as well.

 

[43st]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: alchemize
Illinois first to help buy drugs abroad

Nanny state at it again

This is interesting. If jobs can be outsourced to lower cost areas, why can't drugs?

Rod Blajoeiovicicheh takes an interesting stance on this - might find himself in court. I must be turning into a liberal.

This wont last long as the drug makers will raise the prices of drugs of in Canada as exports of drugs increase into the US.

That's what makes this interesting - in order to hedge this possibility - Illinois is going to Europe as well.

I thought Canada and Europe both had price control over big pharma?

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: alchemize
Illinois first to help buy drugs abroad

Nanny state at it again

This is interesting. If jobs can be outsourced to lower cost areas, why can't drugs?

Rod Blajoeiovicicheh takes an interesting stance on this - might find himself in court. I must be turning into a liberal.

This wont last long as the drug makers will raise the prices of drugs of in Canada as exports of drugs increase into the US.

That's what makes this interesting - in order to hedge this possibility - Illinois is going to Europe as well.

Actually you misunderstand how Big Pharma works. Burroughs Wellcome (currently GlaxoSmithKline) was based in the UK. Multiple drug companies have manufacturing facilities in Ireland. In essence, Canada/UK/Ireland not only have good systems of securing/distributing drugs but they also produce many of the drugs that are being "re-imported".

Large states (say IL) will likely join small states (say VT, NH, MN) might sue drug companies that try to block re-importation. Further, you could easily ban products of a given drug company b/c virtually every class of drugs is represented by multiple drugs from multiple manufacturers.

Big Pharma cannot raise prices in Canada . . . why do you think we are trying to procure drugs from there in the first place? All Big Pharma can do is talk tough . . . and maybe . . . reduce the amount of product sent to Canada. It will then be up to the Canadians to decide their response.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge
When the day of revolution comes the heads of the pharmaceutical giants should be among the first punished for their crimes.

:thumbsup:

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: charrison

This wont last long as the drug makers will raise the prices of drugs of in Canada as exports of drugs increase into the US.

Typical response I would expect from the Rich Elitists on here that benefit from the expolitation of humanity. :thumbsdown: :|

 

[catnap1972]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: charrison

This wont last long as the drug makers will raise the prices of drugs of in Canada as exports of drugs increase into the US.

Typical response I would expect from the Rich Elitists on here that benefit from the expolitation of humanity. :thumbsdown: :|

Actually I was expecting more along the lines of "Leeching liberal old people can just get another job to pay for their prescriptions and stop whining"

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: alchemize
Illinois first to help buy drugs abroad

Nanny state at it again

This is interesting. If jobs can be outsourced to lower cost areas, why can't drugs?

Rod Blajoeiovicicheh takes an interesting stance on this - might find himself in court. I must be turning into a liberal.

This wont last long as the drug makers will raise the prices of drugs of in Canada as exports of drugs increase into the US.

that's not really how supply and demand works buddy...

Unless all the big phramacies get together and try to affect the market somehow (which they would get slapped by Canadian and EU governments), they can't really effect the price.

 

[alchemize]

Here's my neocon response:

1) I've never seen a drug without a prescription. Doctors and the AMA have clearly done the public a disservice with their "in-bed" relationships with the pharmacutical companies. Their "treating the symptoms" approach to healthcare is in large part responsible for the crisis. Fat person with high blood pressure? Put them on expensive drugs. Too fat? Staple their stomach. High cholesterol? Prescribe an expensive drug. Can't get an erection? Prescribe an expensive drug.

2) The public certainly should take a large part of the blame. Taking a drug without understanding it's interactions, side-effects, long term outcomes, and alternative possibilities is narrow-minded. The elderly have this "doctor knows best" mentality, and an unwillingness to exercise and eat a healthy diet, and the doctors have sucked them right into the trap.

3) The government has done nothing but reinforce #1 & #2 on both sides of the aisle.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Here's my neocon response:

1) I've never seen a drug without a prescription. Doctors and the AMA have clearly done the public a disservice with their "in-bed" relationships with the pharmacutical companies. Their "treating the symptoms" approach to healthcare is in large part responsible for the crisis. Fat person with high blood pressure? Put them on expensive drugs. Too fat? Staple their stomach. High cholesterol? Prescribe an expensive drug. Can't get an erection? Prescribe an expensive drug.

2) The public certainly should take a large part of the blame. Taking a drug without understanding it's interactions, side-effects, long term outcomes, and alternative possibilities is narrow-minded. The elderly have this "doctor knows best" mentality, and an unwillingness to exercise and eat a healthy diet, and the doctors have sucked them right into the trap.

3) The government has done nothing but reinforce #1 & #2 on both sides of the aisle.

Oh man how ignorant can you get. Humans are biological machines. Drugs are a screw driver and soldering iron. The growth of biological science will lead eventually to immortality for biological machines and enlightenment of the mind. Genetic engineering will alter our body forms making it possible to live in any environment we choose to create as we move out to the stars. Please, allsurmise, get back on your meds.

 

[DanceMan]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Here's my neocon response:

1) I've never seen a drug without a prescription. Doctors and the AMA have clearly done the public a disservice with their "in-bed" relationships with the pharmacutical companies. Their "treating the symptoms" approach to healthcare is in large part responsible for the crisis. Fat person with high blood pressure? Put them on expensive drugs. Too fat? Staple their stomach. High cholesterol? Prescribe an expensive drug. Can't get an erection? Prescribe an expensive drug.

2) The public certainly should take a large part of the blame. Taking a drug without understanding it's interactions, side-effects, long term outcomes, and alternative possibilities is narrow-minded. The elderly have this "doctor knows best" mentality, and an unwillingness to exercise and eat a healthy diet, and the doctors have sucked them right into the trap.

3) The government has done nothing but reinforce #1 & #2 on both sides of the aisle.

For point #1, the government allowed drug companies to advertise in public media. And, the drug compaines spend lots of money getting doctors to 'prescribe' their particular drug, and providing 'incentives' for doctors to do so, even if there is a good or better generic drug available. So, given that, is there any wonder the public is clamoring for expensive drugs?

For point #2, the public can take SOME of the blame. But, when was the last time you have been able to sit and talk about nutrition with your doctor, if they are not trying to run out the door to see the next patient? Providing good advice to a patient involves them really knowing the patient history, but I think most doctors find it takes less time and that it provides quicker results to just prescribe a pill (and it gets them closer to that ski trip the drug company provides). I agree, you do have to take some personal responsibility for your health, but there's things the government and the health care system could do to better promote healthy living.

This is going to be a good fight. I think it's interesting how this is stacking up as the Federal Government vs. the States.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Here's my neocon response:

1) I've never seen a drug without a prescription. Doctors and the AMA have clearly done the public a disservice with their "in-bed" relationships with the pharmacutical companies. Their "treating the symptoms" approach to healthcare is in large part responsible for the crisis. Fat person with high blood pressure? Put them on expensive drugs. Too fat? Staple their stomach. High cholesterol? Prescribe an expensive drug. Can't get an erection? Prescribe an expensive drug.

2) The public certainly should take a large part of the blame. Taking a drug without understanding it's interactions, side-effects, long term outcomes, and alternative possibilities is narrow-minded. The elderly have this "doctor knows best" mentality, and an unwillingness to exercise and eat a healthy diet, and the doctors have sucked them right into the trap.

3) The government has done nothing but reinforce #1 & #2 on both sides of the aisle.

I wouldn't say that's a neocon response(unless you're going by just by being one ). That is more of the use a little log and find your answer type of response.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: DanceMan

Originally posted by: alchemize
Here's my neocon response:

1) I've never seen a drug without a prescription. Doctors and the AMA have clearly done the public a disservice with their "in-bed" relationships with the pharmacutical companies. Their "treating the symptoms" approach to healthcare is in large part responsible for the crisis. Fat person with high blood pressure? Put them on expensive drugs. Too fat? Staple their stomach. High cholesterol? Prescribe an expensive drug. Can't get an erection? Prescribe an expensive drug.

2) The public certainly should take a large part of the blame. Taking a drug without understanding it's interactions, side-effects, long term outcomes, and alternative possibilities is narrow-minded. The elderly have this "doctor knows best" mentality, and an unwillingness to exercise and eat a healthy diet, and the doctors have sucked them right into the trap.

3) The government has done nothing but reinforce #1 & #2 on both sides of the aisle.

For point #1, the government allowed drug companies to advertise in public media. And, the drug compaines spend lots of money getting doctors to 'prescribe' their particular drug, and providing 'incentives' for doctors to do so, even if there is a good or better generic drug available. So, given that, is there any wonder the public is clamoring for expensive drugs?

For point #2, the public can take SOME of the blame. But, when was the last time you have been able to sit and talk about nutrition with your doctor, if they are not trying to run out the door to see the next patient? Providing good advice to a patient involves them really knowing the patient history, but I think most doctors find it takes less time and that it provides quicker results to just prescribe a pill (and it gets them closer to that ski trip the drug company provides). I agree, you do have to take some personal responsibility for your health, but there's things the government and the health care system could do to better promote healthy living.

This is going to be a good fight. I think it's interesting how this is stacking up as the Federal Government vs. the States.

Good post Dance.

That wasn't Neoconish Alchy, that was just Rich Elitist Parrot Talking, WTG :thumbsup: you've been trained well.

 

[alchemize]

That wasn't Neoconish Alchy, that was just Rich Elitist Parrot Talking, WTG you've been trained well.

Thanks Dave. Coming from the unemployed, uneducated, criminal, ignorant lazy hand-out begging, wanna-be techie, selfish racist parrots like yourself, my rapt attention to my training lessons shows. :thumbsup: When the "revolution comes", we'll be dropping your kind like flies! :roll:

edit: added criminal. How could I forget?

 

[Shelly21]

Sure, we have the cheapest gas, but the most expensive drugs arounds.

"hmm, why doesn't the poor people use insurance to buy drugs?"

 

[Insomnium]

You know, it costs pharmaceutical firms hundreds of millions of dollars to put drugs to market through significant R&D, testing, FDA costs, etc. It's not at all unusual for a firm to drop millions into R&D only to have a drug shot down in the final stages.

What everyone believes is price gouging on the part of "big pharma" usually isn't.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: Insomnium
You know, it costs pharmaceutical firms hundreds of millions of dollars to put drugs to market through significant R&D, testing, FDA costs, etc. It's not at all unusual for a firm to drop millions into R&D only to have a drug shot down in the final stages.

What everyone believes is price gouging on the part of "big pharma" usually isn't.

And the fact that I can't watch an hour of TV without seeing 2 or 3 Cialis commercials has no affect on their "cost".

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: alchemize
Illinois first to help buy drugs abroad

Nanny state at it again

This is interesting. If jobs can be outsourced to lower cost areas, why can't drugs?

Rod Blajoeiovicicheh takes an interesting stance on this - might find himself in court. I must be turning into a liberal.

This wont last long as the drug makers will raise the prices of drugs of in Canada as exports of drugs increase into the US.

That's what makes this interesting - in order to hedge this possibility - Illinois is going to Europe as well.

Actually you misunderstand how Big Pharma works. Burroughs Wellcome (currently GlaxoSmithKline) was based in the UK. Multiple drug companies have manufacturing facilities in Ireland. In essence, Canada/UK/Ireland not only have good systems of securing/distributing drugs but they also produce many of the drugs that are being "re-imported".

Large states (say IL) will likely join small states (say VT, NH, MN) might sue drug companies that try to block re-importation. Further, you could easily ban products of a given drug company b/c virtually every class of drugs is represented by multiple drugs from multiple manufacturers.

Big Pharma cannot raise prices in Canada . . . why do you think we are trying to procure drugs from there in the first place? All Big Pharma can do is talk tough . . . and maybe . . . reduce the amount of product sent to Canada. It will then be up to the Canadians to decide their response.

It will be an easy sell for Canada. At the very least big pharma will limit supplies to canada at a given price. Any demand above that quota will go at a higher rate. IF Canada allows full re-importation of drugs into the US, Canada will be paying a higher price for those drugs. This will happen.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: alchemize

That wasn't Neoconish Alchy, that was just Rich Elitist Parrot Talking, WTG you've been trained well.

Thanks Dave. Coming from the unemployed, uneducated, criminal, ignorant lazy hand-out begging, wanna-be techie, selfish racist parrots like yourself, my rapt attention to my training lessons shows. :thumbsup: When the "revolution comes", we'll be dropping your kind like flies! :roll:

edit: added criminal. How could I forget?

Hey, racist, I don't think so.

The rest you're entitiled to your opinion but Criminal, NO, have documentation proving that. So you should re-edit that one out.

Also may be able to take the unemployed away too. We'll see if I got the whooping $10.25 hr Cable Tech job today climbing poles and bucket truck 24/7.

 

[villager]

It is also not unusual for a breakthrough drug to have been the product of univeristy research funded by the taxpayer. Know what Taxal is. Frigging tree bark from the yew tree and all the research done at tax payer expense. Didnot keep Bristal Meyers from getting a monopoly not only on a naturally occurring drug but also a monopoly of yew trees raised to be turned into taxol.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: alchemize
Illinois first to help buy drugs abroad

Nanny state at it again

This is interesting. If jobs can be outsourced to lower cost areas, why can't drugs?

Rod Blajoeiovicicheh takes an interesting stance on this - might find himself in court. I must be turning into a liberal.

This wont last long as the drug makers will raise the prices of drugs of in Canada as exports of drugs increase into the US.

That's what makes this interesting - in order to hedge this possibility - Illinois is going to Europe as well.

Actually you misunderstand how Big Pharma works. Burroughs Wellcome (currently GlaxoSmithKline) was based in the UK. Multiple drug companies have manufacturing facilities in Ireland. In essence, Canada/UK/Ireland not only have good systems of securing/distributing drugs but they also produce many of the drugs that are being "re-imported".

Large states (say IL) will likely join small states (say VT, NH, MN) might sue drug companies that try to block re-importation. Further, you could easily ban products of a given drug company b/c virtually every class of drugs is represented by multiple drugs from multiple manufacturers.

Big Pharma cannot raise prices in Canada . . . why do you think we are trying to procure drugs from there in the first place? All Big Pharma can do is talk tough . . . and maybe . . . reduce the amount of product sent to Canada. It will then be up to the Canadians to decide their response.

It will be an easy sell for Canada. At the very least big pharma will limit supplies to canada at a given price. Any demand above that quota will go at a higher rate. IF Canada allows full re-importation of drugs into the US, Canada will be paying a higher price for those drugs. This will happen.

So NAFTA is only for bringing products into the US that are produced by US companies?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: villager
It is also not unusual for a breakthrough drug to have been the product of univeristy research funded by the taxpayer. Know what Taxal is. Frigging tree bark from the yew tree and all the research done at tax payer expense. Didnot keep Bristal Meyers from getting a monopoly not only on a naturally occurring drug but also a monopoly of yew trees raised to be turned into taxol.

Very true and sad

Corruption at the expense of the human race :thumbsdown:

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Sucks that insurance companies don't recognize foreign purchases (IE, drugs from Canada) to count towards deductibles. Has to come from the US.