Illegal Music Downloads Hit Record High

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By Ben Bland

Illegal music downloads have reached an all time high just as the growth of online social networking has shifted the epicentre of the music industry away from the major record labels, according to a new study.

The 2007 Digital Media Survey, carried out by Entertainment Media Research in conjunction with media lawyers Olswang, revealed that the popularity of social networking websites such as MySpace and BeBo is helping to "democratise" the music industry as more young people discover new music online instead of via the radio or music television.

Of the 1,700 13-60 year-olds questioned, 86pc have used a social networking site this year, up from 74pc in 2006.

Four out of every ten social network users have music embedded in their personal profiles, rising to 65pc among teenagers.

Russell Hart, chief executive of Entertainment Media Research, described this phenomenon as "the democratisation of the music industry.

"Social networks are fundamentally changing the way we discover, purchase and use music," he said. "The dynamics of democratisation, word of mouth recommendation and instant purchase challenge the established order and offer huge opportunities to forward-thinking businesses."

The survey has further bad news for the music industry as it found that 43pc of those questioned are downloading tracks illegally, up from 36pc last year.

At the same time, there has been a dramatic slowdown in the growth of authorised downloads, with the number of legal downloaders growing by just 15pc this year, compared to 40pc in 2006.

Mr Hart explained that more people are turning to music piracy because official downloads are seen as too expensive and the fear of legal action has eased as memories of a number of high-profile piracy prosecutions have faded.

"There has been a significant increase in the preparedness to download illegal music by teenagers and people in their 20s," he added.

With margins on CDs declining while the growth of legal downloads slows and piracy rises again, the music industry is under pressure to find better ways to distribute its content.

John Enser, head of music at Olswang, said: "The music industry needs to embrace new opportunities being generated by the increasing popularity of music on social networking sites. Surfing these sites and discovering new music is widespread with the latest generation of online consumers but the process of actually purchasing the music needs to be made easier to encourage sales and develop this new market."

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Not surprising at all, really. Even as iTunes recently sold their 3 billionth song, the rise of file sharing of all kinds (not just music) has not backed down at all, even with RIAAs much publicized (and universally panned) efforts at cracking down. Their heyday of big P2P network takedowns (like Napster, Kazaa, Grokster) are long gone and the rise of BitTorrent is proving to be an unwinnable legal situation for property rights holders.

It's time for them to redirect most of their efforts to new avenues of serving consumers. Filing lawsuits will barely slow the rapid decay of traditional music sales.
 

Jaskalas

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The internet is a wonderful thing, I hope it lasts, but something tells me money is a good catalyst for changes that will limit our freedom here.
 

Skyclad1uhm1

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Movie downloads are increasing too, yet the Dutch DVD sales went up 25% since the same period last year.
 

MadRat

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When the music and movie industries bring back the last 100 years of content for availability at less than insane prices then I'll be happy to support them. But when you have to pay more in rental fees than the movie cost to produce originally in 1930 then something is broken in the system. We need fixed access prices to content. Fair fixed prices. And the library of Congress should be the pivot point for all copyright content. If its not registered for fair distribution with the library of Congress in the first 14 years of its onset then it shouldn't get the 150 years of insane copyright extensions.
 

Corbett

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Originally posted by: Nebor
I endorse an RIAA surge.

I can already tell you that the RIAA has has lost before the surge has even started! They should pull out immediately from the conflict. Innocent people are going to jail because of their administrations poor handling of the situation.
 

steppinthrax

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The RIAA is like a 200 lane hi-way where everybody is speeding 100mph and you have one cop car patrolling the entire 1000 mile stretch of it.
 
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I find it really surprising that there could be MORE illegal downloading of music now than in the Napster days.
 

GoPackGo

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Originally posted by: DonVito
I find it really surprising that there could be MORE illegal downloading of music now than in the Napster days.

There are more computers now with broadband then back in the day.

Also...the RIAA handled the whole thing really poorly.

Is anyone really surprised?
 

Thump553

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One point the article missed is the abysmal homogenization of corporate radio these days. (Grandpa voice on)Back in the day we we exposed to new and exciting music on free format FM radio. Outside of maybe satellite radio (never tried it) good luck finding interesting stuff on the radio today-outside of college stations (which vary from great to unlistenable stuff depending on when you tune in) it is nonexistent.

And if RIAA suceeds in getting it's way by killing internet radio through exorbinant FCC imposed fees their domination will be nearly complete. It's kind of like the obnoxious kid who owns the only ball on the playground, then wonders why everyone wanders off to play tag else instead of enduring them.
 

Darwin333

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I wonder if anyone in the upper level management of the RIAA actually realizes the HUGE amount of money they have already lost by fighting the Internet versus embracing it.
 

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Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
Movie downloads are increasing too, yet the Dutch DVD sales went up 25% since the same period last year.

omg, I love Dutch DVDs. The wife isn't so keen on them, though.
 

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The record industry doesn't have a clue, they are stuck in the past where they dumped millions to promote new artists and when they got lucky they discovered a star.

Today anyone can promote themselves on the internet and people can share music they enjoy. It doesn't take millions of dollars to promote an artist these days and with the internet, mobile devices and sharing; people are listening to more music and many different artists. Without this sharing there would be no self promotion or interest in so many different artists. What the RIAA fails to disclose is that record sales are not being slowed at all during the times of "illegal" music. They literally took everything they could from artists once they got big and now the music producers/artists make most of their money from concerts. Time to all for this promotion, offer new products to customers like dvd's, cds, etc and let musicians make their money from concerts (still in very high demand).
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: Stunt
The record industry doesn't have a clue, they are stuck in the past where they dumped millions to promote new artists and when they got lucky they discovered a star.

Today anyone can promote themselves on the internet and people can share music they enjoy. It doesn't take millions of dollars to promote an artist these days and with the internet, mobile devices and sharing; people are listening to more music and many different artists. Without this sharing there would be no self promotion or interest in so many different artists. What the RIAA fails to disclose is that record sales are not being slowed at all during the times of "illegal" music. They literally took everything they could from artists once they got big and now the music producers/artists make most of their money from concerts. Time to all for this promotion, offer new products to customers like dvd's, cds, etc and let musicians make their money from concerts (still in very high demand).

When does "industry" ever have a clue? In the 80s the movie industry tried to kill home video, but by the narrowest margin (5-4 supreme court decision) they lost. Now home video is the industry's largest revenue generator. What would the world look like today if they'd won?

In their chronic myopia Change = Bad
 

dmcowen674

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This is beyond words:

8-5-2007 Judge Lets RIAA Subpoena Defendant's Employer

A judge has ruled that the RIAA can subpoena the defendant's employer in a case pending in Manhattan federal court, Atlantic v. Shutovsky.

The judge's order (pdf) contained eight separate rulings deciding 19 pages of discovery disputes (pdf), resolving virtually all of them in favor of the RIAA.

Other decisions made include:

RIAA permitted to take depositions of Mr. Shutovsky's wife and his brother.

Plaintiffs were required to produce all non-privileged documents or materials relating to any investigation and any sound files on their computer

to produce a privilege log as to any claimed to be privileged.

Defendant was required to provide the name and address of each person who used his computer during the three years prior to commencement of the lawsuit.
 

Wreckem

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Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: Stunt
The record industry doesn't have a clue, they are stuck in the past where they dumped millions to promote new artists and when they got lucky they discovered a star.

Today anyone can promote themselves on the internet and people can share music they enjoy. It doesn't take millions of dollars to promote an artist these days and with the internet, mobile devices and sharing; people are listening to more music and many different artists. Without this sharing there would be no self promotion or interest in so many different artists. What the RIAA fails to disclose is that record sales are not being slowed at all during the times of "illegal" music. They literally took everything they could from artists once they got big and now the music producers/artists make most of their money from concerts. Time to all for this promotion, offer new products to customers like dvd's, cds, etc and let musicians make their money from concerts (still in very high demand).

When does "industry" ever have a clue? In the 80s the movie industry tried to kill home video, but by the narrowest margin (5-4 supreme court decision) they lost. Now home video is the industry's largest revenue generator. What would the world look like today if they'd won?

In their chronic myopia Change = Bad

But see there are already LEGAL download avenues. Its not like they dont exist. There are plenty of legal download services. All while the increased level of pirating music there has been an increasing number of legit services.

What people in this thread seemingly want is free music. That isnt going to happen because the RIAA and Record Companies are buisnesses.

The cost of music has already dropped, you can on avg buy an album online for $10. This is while the cost of music production has gone up for various reasons including inflation.

Albums cost $13-15 in the early and mid 1990s. Adjust that for inflation people, if you did the math its about ~$26-28 a cd. Anyone that says music is expensive, is a moron. Its the cheapest its ever been.
 

1prophet

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Originally posted by: Stunt
The record industry doesn't have a clue, they are stuck in the past where they dumped millions to promote new artists and when they got lucky they discovered a star.

Today anyone can promote themselves on the internet and people can share music they enjoy. It doesn't take millions of dollars to promote an artist these days and with the internet, mobile devices and sharing; people are listening to more music and many different artists. Without this sharing there would be no self promotion or interest in so many different artists. What the RIAA fails to disclose is that record sales are not being slowed at all during the times of "illegal" music. They literally took everything they could from artists once they got big and now the music producers/artists make most of their money from concerts. Time to all for this promotion, offer new products to customers like dvd's, cds, etc and let musicians make their money from concerts (still in very high demand).

The RIAA still has the rights to your music if you try that using an internet radio style platform.
 

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Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: Stunt
The record industry doesn't have a clue, they are stuck in the past where they dumped millions to promote new artists and when they got lucky they discovered a star.

Today anyone can promote themselves on the internet and people can share music they enjoy. It doesn't take millions of dollars to promote an artist these days and with the internet, mobile devices and sharing; people are listening to more music and many different artists. Without this sharing there would be no self promotion or interest in so many different artists. What the RIAA fails to disclose is that record sales are not being slowed at all during the times of "illegal" music. They literally took everything they could from artists once they got big and now the music producers/artists make most of their money from concerts. Time to all for this promotion, offer new products to customers like dvd's, cds, etc and let musicians make their money from concerts (still in very high demand).

When does "industry" ever have a clue? In the 80s the movie industry tried to kill home video, but by the narrowest margin (5-4 supreme court decision) they lost. Now home video is the industry's largest revenue generator. What would the world look like today if they'd won?

In their chronic myopia Change = Bad

But see there are already LEGAL download avenues. Its not like they dont exist. There are plenty of legal download services. All while the increased level of pirating music there has been an increasing number of legit services.

What people in this thread seemingly want is free music. That isnt going to happen because the RIAA and Record Companies are buisnesses.

The cost of music has already dropped, you can on avg buy an album online for $10. This is while the cost of music production has gone up for various reasons including inflation.

Albums cost $13-15 in the early and mid 1990s. Adjust that for inflation people, if you did the math its about ~$26-28 a cd. Anyone that says music is expensive, is a moron. Its the cheapest its ever been.

Explain to me again why people should buy lower quality DRM infested crap, when higher quality version will play all MP3 players is available for free?
 

Lemon law

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Originally posted by: Nebor
I endorse an RIAA surge.

I agree----send the RIAA to Iraq. Sic the RIAA on Al-Quida. Send our troops home.

Bin Laden will know the jig up when he receives that RIAA summons.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: Stunt
The record industry doesn't have a clue, they are stuck in the past where they dumped millions to promote new artists and when they got lucky they discovered a star.

Today anyone can promote themselves on the internet and people can share music they enjoy. It doesn't take millions of dollars to promote an artist these days and with the internet, mobile devices and sharing; people are listening to more music and many different artists. Without this sharing there would be no self promotion or interest in so many different artists. What the RIAA fails to disclose is that record sales are not being slowed at all during the times of "illegal" music. They literally took everything they could from artists once they got big and now the music producers/artists make most of their money from concerts. Time to all for this promotion, offer new products to customers like dvd's, cds, etc and let musicians make their money from concerts (still in very high demand).

When does "industry" ever have a clue? In the 80s the movie industry tried to kill home video, but by the narrowest margin (5-4 supreme court decision) they lost. Now home video is the industry's largest revenue generator. What would the world look like today if they'd won?

In their chronic myopia Change = Bad

But see there are already LEGAL download avenues. Its not like they dont exist. There are plenty of legal download services. All while the increased level of pirating music there has been an increasing number of legit services.

What people in this thread seemingly want is free music. That isnt going to happen because the RIAA and Record Companies are buisnesses.

The cost of music has already dropped, you can on avg buy an album online for $10. This is while the cost of music production has gone up for various reasons including inflation.

Albums cost $13-15 in the early and mid 1990s. Adjust that for inflation people, if you did the math its about ~$26-28 a cd. Anyone that says music is expensive, is a moron. Its the cheapest its ever been.

It's also the least convenient it's ever been. I purchased several songs off of iTunes to use with my Ipod Nano. When that crapped out on me, I was stuck with either buying another Apple product or repurchasing all of my music. Of course those aren't the only two options when you know where to look, but why should I have to break the law in order to use the music I paid for? At least with CDs nobody was locking you into their CD player.
 

Wreckem

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Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: Stunt
The record industry doesn't have a clue, they are stuck in the past where they dumped millions to promote new artists and when they got lucky they discovered a star.

Today anyone can promote themselves on the internet and people can share music they enjoy. It doesn't take millions of dollars to promote an artist these days and with the internet, mobile devices and sharing; people are listening to more music and many different artists. Without this sharing there would be no self promotion or interest in so many different artists. What the RIAA fails to disclose is that record sales are not being slowed at all during the times of "illegal" music. They literally took everything they could from artists once they got big and now the music producers/artists make most of their money from concerts. Time to all for this promotion, offer new products to customers like dvd's, cds, etc and let musicians make their money from concerts (still in very high demand).

When does "industry" ever have a clue? In the 80s the movie industry tried to kill home video, but by the narrowest margin (5-4 supreme court decision) they lost. Now home video is the industry's largest revenue generator. What would the world look like today if they'd won?

In their chronic myopia Change = Bad

But see there are already LEGAL download avenues. Its not like they dont exist. There are plenty of legal download services. All while the increased level of pirating music there has been an increasing number of legit services.

What people in this thread seemingly want is free music. That isnt going to happen because the RIAA and Record Companies are buisnesses.

The cost of music has already dropped, you can on avg buy an album online for $10. This is while the cost of music production has gone up for various reasons including inflation.

Albums cost $13-15 in the early and mid 1990s. Adjust that for inflation people, if you did the math its about ~$26-28 a cd. Anyone that says music is expensive, is a moron. Its the cheapest its ever been.

Explain to me again why people should buy lower quality DRM infested crap, when higher quality version will play all MP3 players is available for free?

Uh because its not free, its illegal. And its illegal even without the advent of the DMCA.
 

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The "album" format is a dinosaur; a relic of the days when physical music sales easily dominated digital ones.
 

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Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: Wreckem
Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: Stunt
The record industry doesn't have a clue, they are stuck in the past where they dumped millions to promote new artists and when they got lucky they discovered a star.

Today anyone can promote themselves on the internet and people can share music they enjoy. It doesn't take millions of dollars to promote an artist these days and with the internet, mobile devices and sharing; people are listening to more music and many different artists. Without this sharing there would be no self promotion or interest in so many different artists. What the RIAA fails to disclose is that record sales are not being slowed at all during the times of "illegal" music. They literally took everything they could from artists once they got big and now the music producers/artists make most of their money from concerts. Time to all for this promotion, offer new products to customers like dvd's, cds, etc and let musicians make their money from concerts (still in very high demand).

When does "industry" ever have a clue? In the 80s the movie industry tried to kill home video, but by the narrowest margin (5-4 supreme court decision) they lost. Now home video is the industry's largest revenue generator. What would the world look like today if they'd won?

In their chronic myopia Change = Bad

But see there are already LEGAL download avenues. Its not like they dont exist. There are plenty of legal download services. All while the increased level of pirating music there has been an increasing number of legit services.

What people in this thread seemingly want is free music. That isnt going to happen because the RIAA and Record Companies are buisnesses.

The cost of music has already dropped, you can on avg buy an album online for $10. This is while the cost of music production has gone up for various reasons including inflation.

Albums cost $13-15 in the early and mid 1990s. Adjust that for inflation people, if you did the math its about ~$26-28 a cd. Anyone that says music is expensive, is a moron. Its the cheapest its ever been.

Explain to me again why people should buy lower quality DRM infested crap, when higher quality version will play all MP3 players is available for free?

Uh because its not free, its illegal. And its illegal even without the advent of the DMCA.

But if one buys the CD and rips higher quality songs themselves, its cheaper than buying the songs off iTunes.

 

shortylickens

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Originally posted by: steppinthrax
The RIAA is like a 200 lane hi-way where everybody is speeding 100mph and you have one cop car patrolling the entire 1000 mile stretch of it.
Thats the internet in general but I love your analogy.
Maybe even sig worthy.