Illegal Entry From Mexico to U.S. Spikes

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Wonder how many Terrorists Made it through.....

Our Borders need tightened up. They are Horrible. Yet, We need Cheap Labor.



Illegal Entry From Mexico to U.S. Spikes

SASABE, Mexico - After a four-year decline, illegal immigration from Mexico is spiking as several thousand migrants a day rush across the border in hopes of getting work visas under a program President Bush (news - web sites) proposed. Many also are trying to beat tighter security to come in June.



The U.S. border patrol told The Associated Press that detentions ? which it uses to judge illegal migration rates ? jumped 25 percent to 535,000 in the six months ending March 31 compared to a year ago.


Near Sasabe, a town bordering the Arizona desert that's the busiest illegal border crossing area, an average 2,000 people arrive daily.


On a recent day, at a break in a barbed-wire fence outside Sasabe, about 300 migrants scrambled out of 10 trucks and four vans within 30 minutes with their smugglers, who led crowds along a worn trail. As the sun set, they disappeared into rolling hills that hide the treacherous desert.


Raudel Sanchez, a 22-year-old farm worker, said he wanted to get back to his job at a Minnesota ranch.


Sanchez crossed into the United States through Sasabe three years ago, but says the journey is getting more difficult. He walked three days in the desert and was out of water when he was caught in Arizona and deported.


Undeterred, he said he planned to take a bus to Altar, a northern city about 70 miles from the border where migrants hire smugglers. From there, he planned to head back to Sasabe and cross again.


"It's already very hard to cross, but it's going to be even harder," he said in Nogales. "I need to try again, at least one more time, and if I fail, I'll go back home."


Many migrants are betting on the approval of Bush's migration proposal, which faces an uphill battle in Congress. About 75 percent of those arrested are Mexican, while the rest are from Central America and other places, U.S. customs officials said.


In January, Bush proposed a guest-worker plan that would give legal status to undocumented migrants already working in the United States and to those outside the country who can prove they have been offered a job.


Because it's hard to get a job offer while in Mexico, many are heading north now, hoping to get settled before a program is in place.


Mark Krikorian, executive director for the Center for Immigration Studies, a group that favors stricter immigration policies, said the rise in illegal migration also shot up in 1986 when an amnesty was announced.


"Illegal aliens will respond to the messages the government sends," Krikorian said. "When we send the message that we are thinking about amnesty, they decide it may be worth it to try to cross."


Illegal migration had been declining along the U.S.-Mexico border since 2000. U.S. border patrol figures show detentions dropped from 1.6 million in 2000 to 905,000 in the fiscal year that ended last Sept. 30.


There is no exact data on the number of people crossing illegally. But in an indication of increased traffic, 535,000 illegal migrants were arrested along the U.S.-Mexico border from Oct. 1 to March 31, said Gloria Chavez of the U.S. Customs and Border Protection Bureau.


In the same period, the border patrol's Tucson sector detained 70,000 more people, an increase of 49 percent.


U.S. Customs and Border Protection Commissioner Robert Bonner attributes part of the jump to increased security. "The main reason we're seeing an increase in apprehensions is because the border patrol is more effective, particularly in the Tucson sector," he said.


But Mexican officials are also seeing an increase. Grupo Beta, a Mexican government-sponsored group that tries to discourage migrants from crossing and aids those stranded in the desert, said 56,000 migrants went through Sasabe in March compared to 41,000 in March 2003.

In Altar, a farming town that has become the gathering point for those heading to Arizona, street vendors sell backpacks, water jugs and salt pills by the thousands.

The modest homes around the plaza, crowded with triple-decker bunk beds, serve as makeshift motels for migrants. They're almost always at capacity, said Francisco Garcia, a former mayor who now volunteers at the town's only migrant shelter.

"We're a town with a population of 6,000, and there have been weeks when we have twice as many people," Garcia said.

Under new security measures, about 300 more U.S. border agents will be deployed by June 1 along the Mexico-Arizona border. The number of border agents assigned to the Tucson sector will eventually increase from 1,800 to 2,500, Bonner said.

Many of the additional agents already have been sent to the Tohono O'odham Indian reservation, an area west of Sasabe where illegal migrant traffic has ballooned, said border patrol spokesman Charles Griffin.

The heightened border security is driving more migrants to more treacherous desert routes between Sonoyta and San Luis Rio Colorado in western Arizona, said Enrique Enriquez, an agent with Mexico's Grupo Beta.

"Migrants are telling us they're crossing through Sonoyta because there are fewer border patrol agents there," Enriquez said. "But with the new changes, we expect more migrants will start going west of there," where there are even fewer roads and people to help stranded migrants.

Grupo Beta plans to assign rescuers to Sonoyta in May, Enriquez said. Every year, hundreds of migrants die in the desert, where temperatures soar above 100 degrees in summer.
 

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like hell im not concerned. im for closing off and tightly regulating the southern border.
 

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Originally posted by: Genesys
like hell im not concerned. im for closing off and tightly regulating the southern border.

With a Republican president, House , and Congress, You think it would be a posibility.

Yet Something Weird is happening. They are losening Security
 

smashp

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Originally posted by: Genesys
ive always felt the people in office werent conservative enough.


or AT ALL. IMHO.

Protecting Your border is chapter number one in the "Defending your country for dummies" series.
 

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Smashp,

Odd that you accuse people on these forums of not caring about illegal immigration. The average poster on these forums is against illegal immigration. Dave is nototious for tirades against illegals. I hated it so much that for over four years, I worked the Southern Land Border arresting illegals as my profession.

The author of this article is spreading misinformation, and this is often the cause for confusion on both sides. The Bush plan does not allow for immigrants who originally entered illegally, to suddenly become legal. Nowhere in the proposal is present. So by spreading this misinformation, it encourages the ignorant to plan on it. Bushs plan also does not fundamentally alter the current regulations to any noticeable extent. This means that if an illegal has ever been "processed" for being illegal, they cannot take advantage of the programs offered, until their bar to application for entry has passed. Even then, their application would likely be refused by adjudications because of prior violations.

The spike noted is normal, and happens from time to time, depending on the situations in Mexico, and the United States. Also, the author only takes statistics from Border Patrol, and doesn't cite any evidence from the Ports of Entries, or from official sources for the claims.

Sensationalistic ramblings if you ask me.
 

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Originally posted by: maluckey
Smashp,

Odd that you accuse people on these forums of not caring about illegal immigration. The average poster on these forums is against illegal immigration. Dave is nototious for tirades against illegals. I hated it so much that for over four years, I worked the Southern Land Border arresting illegals as my profession.

The author of this article is spreading misinformation, and this is often the cause for confusion on both sides. The Bush plan does not allow for immigrants who originally entered illegally, to suddenly become legal. Nowhere in the proposal is present. So by spreading this misinformation, it encourages the ignorant to plan on it. Bushs plan also does not fundamentally alter the current regulations to any noticeable extent. This means that if an illegal has ever been "processed" for being illegal, they cannot take advantage of the programs offered, until their bar to application for entry has passed. Even then, their application would likely be refused by adjudications because of prior violations.

The spike noted is normal, and happens from time to time, depending on the situations in Mexico, and the United States. Also, the author only takes statistics from Border Patrol, and doesn't cite any evidence from the Ports of Entries, or from official sources for the claims.

Sensationalistic ramblings if you ask me.

Come here to Northeast Georgia and say it's "Sensationalistic ramblings". 55% of the population of the County I live in is now Mexican Majority. Straight from South of The Border.
 

maluckey

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Dave,

I meant the author, not the illegals. The Author of the article is mostly clueless as to how things work, but tripped and fell into a truth of sorts by mistake.

Believe me, I know more than most on this forum, as far as illegals and Immigration is concerned. It was my profession for many years. The problem is not new, and for too many years, people turned the blind eye. I left the INS because of this. Beating my head against the wall for nothing seemed senseless, when the upper management wasn't concerned about the erosion of America by bits and pieces. It's an epedemic, and the American public's liberal leanings are the root cause. They want cheap labor, and good hemanitarian warm fuzzies, but then scream about what they get for their money. You get what you pay for.
 

PingSpike

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To bad these people didn't see president Bush's proposal for what it really is; election year window dressing designed to cater to the hispanic vote. He knows full well this will never get passed.
 

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Originally posted by: judasmachine
so much for the land of the free.... and christian brotherhood for that matter....


what the hell are you talking about?
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: maluckey
Dave,

I meant the author, not the illegals. The Author of the article is mostly clueless as to how things work, but tripped and fell into a truth of sorts by mistake.

Believe me, I know more than most on this forum, as far as illegals and Immigration is concerned. It was my profession for many years. The problem is not new, and for too many years, people turned the blind eye. I left the INS because of this. Beating my head against the wall for nothing seemed senseless, when the upper management wasn't concerned about the erosion of America by bits and pieces. It's an epedemic, and the American public's liberal leanings are the root cause. They want cheap labor, and good hemanitarian warm fuzzies, but then scream about what they get for their money. You get what you pay for.

Don't scream Liberalism or any other label when it's the current so called "Conservatives" that have more crossing the border on their watch than ever before and with their blessings.
 

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: maluckey
Dave,

I meant the author, not the illegals. The Author of the article is mostly clueless as to how things work, but tripped and fell into a truth of sorts by mistake.

Believe me, I know more than most on this forum, as far as illegals and Immigration is concerned. It was my profession for many years. The problem is not new, and for too many years, people turned the blind eye. I left the INS because of this. Beating my head against the wall for nothing seemed senseless, when the upper management wasn't concerned about the erosion of America by bits and pieces. It's an epedemic, and the American public's liberal leanings are the root cause. They want cheap labor, and good hemanitarian warm fuzzies, but then scream about what they get for their money. You get what you pay for.

Don't scream Liberalism or any other label when it's the current so called "Conservatives" that have more crossing the border on their watch than ever before and with their blessings.

I thought it was all those "Big Business Republicans" and "Entrepreneur Republicans" who liked the cheap labor. Or maybe I was confused and its actually the "Elitist Hollywood Liberals" who like cheap labor on the movie set?

Zephyr
 

PingSpike

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Originally posted by: Zephyr106
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: maluckey
Dave,

I meant the author, not the illegals. The Author of the article is mostly clueless as to how things work, but tripped and fell into a truth of sorts by mistake.

Believe me, I know more than most on this forum, as far as illegals and Immigration is concerned. It was my profession for many years. The problem is not new, and for too many years, people turned the blind eye. I left the INS because of this. Beating my head against the wall for nothing seemed senseless, when the upper management wasn't concerned about the erosion of America by bits and pieces. It's an epedemic, and the American public's liberal leanings are the root cause. They want cheap labor, and good hemanitarian warm fuzzies, but then scream about what they get for their money. You get what you pay for.

Don't scream Liberalism or any other label when it's the current so called "Conservatives" that have more crossing the border on their watch than ever before and with their blessings.

I thought it was all those "Big Business Republicans" and "Entrepreneur Republicans" who liked the cheap labor. Or maybe I was confused and its actually the "Elitist Hollywood Liberals" who like cheap labor on the movie set?

Zephyr

A rose by any other name is still the Dub in this case. Unless you want to start calling the Dub a bleeding heart liberal now?
 
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bush had had the biggest increase in border patrol and largest funding increases to border security since before ray gun; this ws BEFORE 9/11!

the problem is that border patrol requires a person who's willing to carry a gun but smart enough not use it.
 

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Dave,

Firstly, by definition, Conservatives are against immigration increases, as well as any change in the status quo. Liberals are another matter, and generally support "family unity" programs withing the United States Government. Congressional voting generally falls, not along party lines, but Conservative/Liberal in these matters, fairly evenly spread Democrat and Republican. Check it out sometime. It's very informative to see who votes for what.

The liberal lobbyists are one of the driving force behind illegal immigration. The general American public is mostly clueless about what all this illegal immigration is actually doing to this country. They don't see the classroom scores falling, medical costs rising, insurance costs rising, and the ever rising crimerate in communities besieged by illegals. These various groups frequently picketed at our locations, screaming and yelling about "migrant" mistreatment. Most were involved in aiding and abetting illegal entry. They were very misguided, and thought that they were only promoting "family unity" by bringing families together. Last time I checked, Mexico was a free country. People can come and go as they choose. They chose to run their country into the ground, despite the enormous natural wealth present there. They chose corrupt and in some case brutal leadership, and now they wish to create the same thing here.... If they want a change from how things are in Mexico, perhaps they should begin by not perpetuating the ignorance, corruption and abuse of the laws as many do in their own country. Illegal Immigration is a crime, and I rarely found any exception that made me sympathetic to an illegals cause. I can't remember mre than two or three cases where I was sympathetic in the least, in the thousands that I arrested over the years.