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Illegal Aliens will soon be able to collect Social Security with only 18 months of service

bennylong

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Free healthcare and collect SSI with only 18 months of service? Free Willey! What a great country. Kids, better start putting money in your 401K and IRA unless you want to work till you're dead because SSI will be dead.


"Entitlements: About to become law is an agreement allowing illegal aliens to get Social Security benefits after only 18 months of employment in the U.S., further burdening a system on the brink of collapse.

Surveys have shown that more Americans believe in the existence of unidentified flying objects than in the promise that they'll ever get back what they've put into the Social Security system. It also is against current law for employers knowingly to hire individuals who are in this country illegally.

So it must be somewhat disconcerting for them to find out that about to become law is an agreement signed on June 29, 2004, between the U.S. Commissioner of Social Security and the director general of the Mexican Social Security Institute that allows illegal aliens to collect Social Security benefits if they have as little as 18 months of employment history. U.S. citizens must show 10 years, or 40 quarters of job history, to collect benefits.

The first public copy of the U.S.-Mexico Totalization Agreement has been obtained, and, no, it wasn't on the first page of the New York Times. It was obtained after three years of wrangling and a Freedom of Information Act request by the TREA Senior Citizens League (tscl.org) which represents more than 1 million seniors. And, as the saying goes, the devil is in the details.

The agreement would drain more billions from a system with a $14 trillion liability and assets of only $3.5 trillion, according to a 2003 report by the Center for Immigration Studies. TREA notes, "Ominously, these assets include not only the trust's current reserves ($1.4 trillion), but also the present value of the taxes that current workers will pay for the rest of their working lives ($2.1 trillion).

Totalization agreements also assume rough equivalency in both country's retirement systems. TREA notes that in Mexico only 40% of nongovernment workers participate in their system, but 96% of our nongovernment workers do. Our system is progressive, meaning lower-income workers get more than they paid in. Mexican participants get back only what they pay in, plus interest.

In a review requested by Congress, the Government Accounting Office said the agreement with Mexico involves "highly uncertain" costs and would affect the long-term solvency of the Social Security Trust Fund if the SSA has underestimated the number of beneficiaries by more than 25%.

The review also notes that the SSA "assumes that the behavior of Mexican citizens would not change and does not recognize that an agreement would create an additional incentive for unauthorized workers to enter the United States."

Guest workers, yes, but invited guests, and benefits should follow only if they follow the same rules as American citizens, both in the requirements they must meet and in the contributions they must make, on both sides of the border.

Copyright 2007 Investor's Business Daily, Inc."
 
Originally posted by: FallenHero
SS was never supposed to be a retirement plan. Only morons depended on it.


SS is more than retirement, what happens if YOU become disabled?
 
ok that is just retarded.

and yes SS is more then retirement. it is also if you becaume disabled, die and leave children etc.
 
What happens when you're retired and you no longer have health insurance? 77 millions American will be on Medicare in 20 years, 40 millions now. People should be more worried about Medicare money running out first under the SSI program.

How is Life insurance going to help pay for your medical bill?
 
Originally posted by: Oceandevi
Originally posted by: bennylong
Originally posted by: FallenHero
SS was never supposed to be a retirement plan. Only morons depended on it.

That would be 70% of American.

Your point?

yes...your point? lol a large amound of people are morons if you havent noticed.

And i think that thing is BS. Listen I am not all for building a wall to keep them out, or doing anything to drastic but I am agaisnt giving them the things they arnt suppose to have.

Fine if we cant keep them all out dont let them go to public schoool and then demand that they teach in spanish.
 
So, we are now giving SS to Mexicans when there are Americans that won't even get it? I'm 25, and by the time I'm eligible for SS, there will be nothing left! SS is just a pyramid scheme now.

Work harder! Millions of people on welfare/SS/etc depend on you!
 
This kind of stuff drives me nuts. Has everyone in washington gone insane?? Illegal aliens should get a swift catapult deportation back to wherever they came from, not SS benefits or any other kind of benefits for that matter!
 
This was posted in P&N and shown to be false. It was from a wacko site that claimed it had "interpreted" secret government data they had received. And would only take effect if a quest worker program were enacted, and only if the quest worker program made no mention of SS.
In other words its tin foil hat material.
 
Originally posted by: techs
This was posted in P&N and shown to be false. It was from a wacko site that claimed it had "interpreted" secret government data they had received. And would only take effect if a quest worker program were enacted, and only if the quest worker program made no mention of SS.
In other words its tin foil hat material.

Techs, I know you and I don't agree often, but thanks for pointing out the absurdity of the thread. Here is a more realisitic overview of what's up:

"Mark Lassiter, a spokesman for the Social Security Administration, said the agreement doesn't change U.S. law. The law states that those who do not have authorization to work will not get benefits under a totalization agreement.

"To get Social Security benefits, you do have to be legally in the United States. This agreement does not address in any way immigration, immigration laws or override current law," he said, adding that a 2004 law, the Social Security Protection Act, prevents illegal aliens from getting benefits.

But the seniors group said the 2004 law also states that if those aliens later get legal status -- through an amnesty or some sort of legalization plan such as the one President Bush and the Senate tried to enact last year -- they would be able to collect the benefits based on their time as illegal workers. "

So the fear mongering is if we give amnesty those people who then become legal can get paid for the time that they weren't. Now bear in mind, these aren't people who didn't pay into the system, if they are legal at the time later and did pay in, why should they forfit those earlier payments?
 
Originally posted by: bsobel
Originally posted by: techs
This was posted in P&N and shown to be false. It was from a wacko site that claimed it had "interpreted" secret government data they had received. And would only take effect if a quest worker program were enacted, and only if the quest worker program made no mention of SS.
In other words its tin foil hat material.

Techs, I know you and I don't agree often, but thanks for pointing out the absurdity of the thread. Here is a more realisitic overview of what's up:

"Mark Lassiter, a spokesman for the Social Security Administration, said the agreement doesn't change U.S. law. The law states that those who do not have authorization to work will not get benefits under a totalization agreement.

"To get Social Security benefits, you do have to be legally in the United States. This agreement does not address in any way immigration, immigration laws or override current law," he said, adding that a 2004 law, the Social Security Protection Act, prevents illegal aliens from getting benefits.

But the seniors group said the 2004 law also states that if those aliens later get legal status -- through an amnesty or some sort of legalization plan such as the one President Bush and the Senate tried to enact last year -- they would be able to collect the benefits based on their time as illegal workers. "

So the fear mongering is if we give amnesty those people who then become legal can get paid for the time that they weren't. Now bear in mind, these aren't people who didn't pay into the system, if they are legal at the time later and did pay in, why should they forfit those earlier payments?

Because it gives one giant incentive for every Mexican to flood into this country. After all they are eligible for benefits after only paying in for 18 Mos. Not the 25 years they would have to in Mexico or the amount of time that normal Americans would here. Its some kind of crazy this is. Right now its estimated that 10% of Mexico's entire population is here in the US. Amnesty guarantees a new flood of legal and illegal immigrants that most municipalities aready have trouble supporting.

The biggest catch on the current immigration trouble seems to be assimilation. Its not happening as it would when immigrants follow the normal immigration system. The flood of illegals are coming here with a sense of entitlement and disregard for current culture. It makes for a very similar set of problems along the lines of what France is going through right now. The politicians don't care. They are in a race for votes, not looking down the road 10 or 20 years. Worst yet they are patting themselves on the back over the whole thing.

Just FYI I have an adoptive daughter that had at least one parent that came into this country illegally from Mexico.
 
Originally posted by: bennylong

Surveys have shown that more Americans believe in the existence of unidentified flying objects...

What's that all about? What's wrong with believing that UFOs exist?
 
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