AnitaPeterson
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Personally, I find it extremely hard to take serious any input from a forum member with a signature like straightalker's... especially when it seems that person really needs counseling on a variety of issues.
I have looked at other sources of information, basically every site I could find. I can't seem to find much good said about the illegal alien problem except that they are hard workers and they work cheap. Since I don't ever employ any of them I don't consider that to be a plus. As a taxpayer, and especially as a land owner in a state with no income tax, I get stuck with their education and medical bills, when I can't even afford medical insurance for myself. It's not like South Dakota is a border state. Christ, were what. like 1200 miles for the border!!
My brother-in-law is a pretty successful business man. Successful enough that every Christmas he give his 9 siblings, his mom , and 5 people in his wifes family a $10,000 cash Christmas present. He's a hard core right wing guy and he likes Mexicans because they work hard compared to white people in his area (California).
Hey, I can't help it that so many people are so well off in the more populated areas that you either have people who think they are too good to do a menial job or the other end of the spectrum, being too lazy. I don't live in a border state and the Mexicans aren't coming up here to mow lawns, they're here to do factory jobs so the corporation don't have to contend with a labor shortage Beside, we already have plenty of people to mkow our yards because there is good money in it, at least as compared to other jobs in the area.
In my opinion, it's the people who defend illegal aliens who sound like the dumb ass teenagers who are still wet behind the ears. Hey, my heart goes out to the Mexicans, but my family and my income is more important to me then the problems of another country. If they're such hard workers, then they should put their efforts into fixing their own country. To me, this whole issue is a no-brainer.
i know you don't care about my personal antedots, but here's one anyway. I don't punch a clock anymore, so I can run my errands and do my business while most people are at work. When I'm out and about, I see every park I dcrive by has several Mexican mothers with their kids playing in it. I also see them biking around town, using the walking trails, and just aking walks in the middle of the day. Gee, I don't ever see any white mothers at the park at that time of the day?? Do you suppose all the white women might be alt work so they can pay their bills?? How the hell is it that the Mexicans can afford to not have their wives working??
Put that in your pipe and smoke it. In my opinion it has a bitter taste to it.
Originally posted by: astrosfan90
Wow. Some people pay for their entertainment. I read P&N. Good show.
I'm selling stock in a new business venture. Anyone care to join. I'm building a superhighway from Mexican ports through the USA and into Canada. I hire all Mxican longshoremen so i can pay them 3$ an hour instead of 30. And i hire all Mexican trucker so i cab pay them 3 cents a mile instead of 30. Then i charge everyone who drives on it with a toll for 50 years that is automatically deducted from their accounts by reading info off of a radio microchip in their vehicles. To build the road i hire mostly illegal aliens because they just are taking jobs Americans don't want to do. They are seeking the American dream and so should you. Invest now! You won't be sorry. You'll be a rich Republican.
Stunt
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You have been very clear in stating there is no way a person like myself could be as infromed as you as you see things first hand. But at the same time you are trying to save face by attempting to come off as well infromed by "looking at every site you can find". Unfortunately you point out two simplistic benefits within a complex issue; I do not understand how one can read about 'the good aspects to the problem'
Your oversimplification and inability to look at the big picture will unfortunately bring you to the same conclusion time and time again. While you see "education and medical bills" as a big negative; you forget all the positives. These people DO pay taxes through sales taxes (buying products), corporate taxes (more consumers/productivity for companies) and property taxes (through rent). Income tax is a very small part of tax revenues, especially in the southern states where local and state authorities control taxation. But why would you look at the other side of the equation...you are stuck in your ways...illegals are ruining your life.
If mexicans are coming into the country and taking factory jobs, good for them. All Americans born within the country have had access to some of the best education in the world, access to student loans, grants, busaries, etc. The opportunities are endless. For an illegal to come accross the border, with no education and little language skills and take that factory worker's job after all the opportunities that American had....shame on the American. How is he any more desreving of a wealthy lifestyle? Just because he won the lottery of life and was born into the richest nation in the world. I don't know about you 1EZduzit, but I don't think I am any more deserving of a certain lifestyle due to nationality. Our nations have been corrupted by a culture of entitlement; kids who think they "need" an ipod or have to have $100 jeans. Illegals are examples of capitalism in its purest form; survival of the fittest, no entitlement, raw ambition; I applaud these people...it's refreshing.
If you look at the wages of Americans with the inflow of Mexicans, it has gone up substantially. As long as you have an education or a trade, your income has been rising considerably; this makes sense as automation makes our lifestyles more convenient (internet news articles, bank machines, appliances) there is a higher demand for those who are educated. Those who are most affected are the uneducated...their incomes have dropped or stayed constant; they have not adapted to their environment and will be replaced by those who are most motivated. Is there something wrong with that?...of course not; shame on them.
One thing I absolutely despise about you 1EZduzit is everytime we start talking about illegals, you point to "Mexicans". There are many legal mexicans in the US and they are just as American as you are. You look down on these people and assume they are a burden on society, yet you see a homeless white man and assume he is down on his luck and lost 'his' job to an illegal. The Census Bureau estimates 35 million people in the US are Hispanic and only a quarter of those are 'illegal'. Any registered American citizen is no more of a drain on society than another; and illegals are even questionable at best as well.
As for you 'seeing several Mexican mothers with their kids playing in it', you assume the white mothers are working. Perhaps Mexicans have a stronger family unit and take their kids for outings, and are more likely to spend quality time with the children. Perhaps the white women are addicted to the soaps, jerry springer, and other horrible daytime tv. Perhaps it's because immigrant women make up 3/4ths of the current US population growth. All very reasonable examples why you see more Hispanic mothers during the day.
Of course your thinking would rather endorse the idea that all the white women are off the streets because they are getting gang banged by local illegals. :roll:
Maybe you have a complex with Mexicans and your racist tendancies focus more on these people than whites.
You are so proud of your age and experience, yet all you exhibit is bigotry, stubborness and naivete. I cannot have a reasonable discussion with such an individual...so have a good day.
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Originally posted by: Stunt
You have been very clear in stating there is no way a person like myself could be as infromed as you as you see things first hand. But at the same time you are trying to save face by attempting to come off as well infromed by "looking at every site you can find". Unfortunately you point out two simplistic benefits within a complex issue; I do not understand how one can read about 'the good aspects to the problem'
Your oversimplification and inability to look at the big picture will unfortunately bring you to the same conclusion time and time again. While you see "education and medical bills" as a big negative; you forget all the positives. These people DO pay taxes through sales taxes (buying products), corporate taxes (more consumers/productivity for companies) and property taxes (through rent). Income tax is a very small part of tax revenues, especially in the southern states where local and state authorities control taxation. But why would you look at the other side of the equation...you are stuck in your ways...illegals are ruining your life.
If mexicans are coming into the country and taking factory jobs, good for them. All Americans born within the country have had access to some of the best education in the world, access to student loans, grants, busaries, etc. The opportunities are endless. For an illegal to come accross the border, with no education and little language skills and take that factory worker's job after all the opportunities that American had....shame on the American. How is he any more desreving of a wealthy lifestyle? Just because he won the lottery of life and was born into the richest nation in the world. I don't know about you 1EZduzit, but I don't think I am any more deserving of a certain lifestyle due to nationality. Our nations have been corrupted by a culture of entitlement; kids who think they "need" an ipod or have to have $100 jeans. Illegals are examples of capitalism in its purest form; survival of the fittest, no entitlement, raw ambition; I applaud these people...it's refreshing.
If you look at the wages of Americans with the inflow of Mexicans, it has gone up substantially. As long as you have an education or a trade, your income has been rising considerably; this makes sense as automation makes our lifestyles more convenient (internet news articles, bank machines, appliances) there is a higher demand for those who are educated. Those who are most affected are the uneducated...their incomes have dropped or stayed constant; they have not adapted to their environment and will be replaced by those who are most motivated. Is there something wrong with that?...of course not; shame on them.
One thing I absolutely despise about you 1EZduzit is everytime we start talking about illegals, you point to "Mexicans". There are many legal mexicans in the US and they are just as American as you are. You look down on these people and assume they are a burden on society, yet you see a homeless white man and assume he is down on his luck and lost 'his' job to an illegal. The Census Bureau estimates 35 million people in the US are Hispanic and only a quarter of those are 'illegal'. Any registered American citizen is no more of a drain on society than another; and illegals are even questionable at best as well.
As for you 'seeing several Mexican mothers with their kids playing in it', you assume the white mothers are working. Perhaps Mexicans have a stronger family unit and take their kids for outings, and are more likely to spend quality time with the children. Perhaps the white women are addicted to the soaps, jerry springer, and other horrible daytime tv. Perhaps it's because immigrant women make up 3/4ths of the current US population growth. All very reasonable examples why you see more Hispanic mothers during the day.
Of course your thinking would rather endorse the idea that all the white women are off the streets because they are getting gang banged by local illegals. :roll:
Maybe you have a complex with Mexicans and your racist tendancies focus more on these people than whites.
You are so proud of your age and experience, yet all you exhibit is bigotry, stubborness and naivete. I cannot have a reasonable discussion with such an individual...so have a good day.
Do you really think I give a hoot what you think of me? I know who I am and how I treat people (especially the ones I care about) and I'm very comfortable with it, so go look down your snooty nose at someone else Mr. "Proof I'm Smart", LMAO!. I have my opinions and they are every bit as valid and pertinent as everyone elses. They are based on what I read, what I observe, and what my life experiences are. So many of you youngun's don't respect an older person's experience. You don't really have any of it and you don't even have a clue to how much insight you can gain from it..
You seem to think opinions should be based on what you other people might think. You need to learn to respect yourslef and you instincts and not worry about what others think. If you feel it's right in your bones, then its right for you, and i try my best to say what I believe is right and true.
Lord forbid that a white person call a Mexican a Mexican, an Indian a Indian, or a Negro a Negro. Well, I have better things to do with my life then worry about being politically correct. If that's the only way you can detract from my points, then I pity you.
You try to define my points and observations by trying to put your words in my mouth. My whole problem is with the ILLEGAL ALIENS. I give a crap less about the people who are here legally. As a matter of fact, I think we should be bringing in a lot of immigrants (notice I'm not refering to illegals now
) We can start by letting all the qualified Doctors that want to come to this country to come right in. Why should they stand in line. Heck i don't care if the person treating me is Mexican, Indian, Negro, or Chinese. As long as he's quailifed. Maybe then the people who actually care about this country could start to do something about medical costs. Same thing goes for dentists, engineers and all the other professional occupation. Of course, we have to control the number of those people coming in, we woulndn't want there to be an oversupply of Doctor's and other professionals, that just wouldn't do, now would it.I think it is you who are the bigot. Put that in your peacepipe and smoke it.
Stunt
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Like I said, I didn't say your opinions are any less valid compared to other opinions; unfortunately you have absolutely no facts, figures or data supporting your claims. These are not just mere opinions but straight up bigotry and ignorance. I full well respect those of experience, my job depends on it; I am significantly younger than my coworkers yet rely on their knowledge, recommendations and experience to progress within our business. Similarly I turn to family and relatives for insight into general life questions and development.
To blindly listen and endorse your opinion due to age would make as much sense as wholeheartedly supporting Bush. I have listened to your arguments, they basically don't follow logic or reason and are fundamentally flawed. "Feeling right in my bones" and turning to such bigoted and nationalistic views would make me seriously question my humanity.
We are speaking of illegals and you always single out Mexicans, even when illegals make up a small minority of the Hispanic population. Because you are so involved with your negative views on illegals...you subconsciously group ALL Mexicans into that group.
Did you know there are illegal aliens from Canada?! Are you complaining about them as well? Or is it ok because they only steal more educated jobs and aren't Mexican? How are you able to distingish illegals from the general popualation?
To blindly listen and endorse your opinion due to age would make as much sense as wholeheartedly supporting Bush. I have listened to your arguments, they basically don't follow logic or reason and are fundamentally flawed. "Feeling right in my bones" and turning to such bigoted and nationalistic views would make me seriously question my humanity.
We are speaking of illegals and you always single out Mexicans, even when illegals make up a small minority of the Hispanic population. Because you are so involved with your negative views on illegals...you subconsciously group ALL Mexicans into that group.
Did you know there are illegal aliens from Canada?! Are you complaining about them as well? Or is it ok because they only steal more educated jobs and aren't Mexican? How are you able to distingish illegals from the general popualation?
What anyone should see is that politics and personal expereince are flawed. Politics rests on opinions. Opinions not backed up by reliable data from an accredited source are meaningless and speculation. Just because one person has a PE with the subject does not mean to take the whole slew of other evidence and throw it out.
E.G. I was gang-raped by a whole bunch of white, black, albino egyptian, and muslims fvcks. I think we should kill all the aforementioned due to my personal experience and let only the hispanics and all other peoples not mentioned live.
I have an opinon: I think the sky is blue because "chu-CHU" the pink ruffled alligator dropped a bottle of Blue Guracao into the void above and around me not composed of this stuff, ummm....soil, underneath me.
As I continue you to go on about "chu-CHU" someone asks me why I have opined such. I tell them it was divine revelation. Would a rational person accept such? NO, and if you differ please accompany me and chu-CHU back to the mid-ages.
E.G. I was gang-raped by a whole bunch of white, black, albino egyptian, and muslims fvcks. I think we should kill all the aforementioned due to my personal experience and let only the hispanics and all other peoples not mentioned live.
I have an opinon: I think the sky is blue because "chu-CHU" the pink ruffled alligator dropped a bottle of Blue Guracao into the void above and around me not composed of this stuff, ummm....soil, underneath me.
As I continue you to go on about "chu-CHU" someone asks me why I have opined such. I tell them it was divine revelation. Would a rational person accept such? NO, and if you differ please accompany me and chu-CHU back to the mid-ages.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:Originally posted by: yllus
I'm really enjoying the addition of straightalker to this forum.
Yesterday at work while I was waiting for a sysadmin to get back to his desk, I thought about compiling a list of people straightalker's called a "troll" or "tinfoil hat nutcase". So this morning I did a search and so far have come up with:
railer
yllus
Stunt
feralkid
Rainsford
CitizenKain
XZeroII
alchemize
Whoozyerdaddy
ProfJohn
Zorba
Alaa
Cruise51
Frackal
People straightalker has commended:
dahunan
fire400 (for his thread on "reports of robots on the rise", to which straightalker replied, " Yes a very interesting subject. Let me do some more reading before i comment. Excellent new thread by fire400.")
michaelpatrick33 (whom he mistakenly thought supported him in his claims that the moon landing was a hoax)
LOL...I'm tempted to keep the list going but it's funny enough already. Keep it coming straightalker!
Yah I'm starting to like him too. He doesn't troll/post a bunch of links and run like most tinfoilers. Most tinfoilers are on some bizarre "I have to post as much propaganda as possible to convince everyone!", but don't add anything unique or original
StraightTalker instead he posts all kinds of insane stuff, all with his own insane thoughts mixed into it.
Don Vito Corleone
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Believe it or not, this gem of a thread has not one but two counterparts in ATOT:
This one is especially delightful.
This one looks like it might provide months or even years of entertainment.
I only hope Straightalker branches out into the other forums. His endless entertainment value shouldn't be limited to this monkey house!
This one is especially delightful.
This one looks like it might provide months or even years of entertainment.
I only hope Straightalker branches out into the other forums. His endless entertainment value shouldn't be limited to this monkey house!
Yeah, I've followed the whole post and fornax took the time to drill holes all over your vaulted facts and figures. I have better things to do then argue with someone who misrepresents the facts. You somehow seem to think your so clever? I really don't understand why?
Do you really think I don't know there are illegals of every race and nationality in this country? Just another example of your stupid tactics to try and make others look stupid. Mexicans are far and away the largest group of illegals in this country and they are the group that is increasoing it's numbers the fastest. Gee, do i have to explain ewverything to you?
When I say illegals (instead of Mexicans), then people like you try to refer to the whole problem as an immigration problem, which it isn't. The only immigration problem we have is we don't let in enough of the smart immigrants but we leave the door wide open for the uneducated. That's stupid as hell IMO and we need to stop it ASAP. I have a coffee buddy who is Mexican. He did 25 years in the Navy, retired and then went back to school and got his Doctorate in philosophy. I'd be all for bringing in as many Mexicans like him (legally) as we can get out hands on, but keep right on trying to paint me as a bigot.
Well, I have my Grandaughter that we're raising (not that you could give a ****** about her... she's here legally) demanding my attention. So I have to go but I'll leave you with this parting shot.
You use skewed statisitcs, you try to put the words you want said into other peoples mouths to make your argument look better, and in the end all you have is your opinion also, just what your trying to critisize me for. Let me tell you, my opinion on illegal (and legal) immigration is certainly more revelant then the opinion of a Canadian.
Believe it or not, the rest of your post actually gave me some stuff to think about...never let it be said that Rainsford never listens to the people who disagree with him.
But I wanted to single out that comment above and correct a misconception you (as far as I can tell) seem to have about my "defense" of illegal aliens. I actually agree with the people who support immigration controls, and I think that uncontrolled immigration is a problem. But remember what this thread is about, my comments are more directed at the idea that illegal immigrants are a bunch of rapist lunatics who are going to destroy our country. I don't know about everyone else, but my worldview allows for a position between "illegal aliens will destroy the United States" and "illegal aliens have every right to come here and we should have no immigration controls". My only defense of illegal aliens on P&N is in the context of replies to ranting lunatics, so my actual position is somewhat deceptive
I think I understand where your coming from Rainsford. I realize the topic of this post is an attempt to be inflamatory about this issue, which I think in the long run is a disservice to the people who trying to discuss the issue rationally.
I have looked around at various web sites and statistics from both sides. I take that info, attempt to read between the lines (because I don't believe that just using hard numbers gives you the big picture), combine it with common sense and hopefully temper the opinion I formed from studying the facts with my personal observations and experience. Then, for my troubles someone always trys to label me as an ignorant bigot.
I have looked around at various web sites and statistics from both sides. I take that info, attempt to read between the lines (because I don't believe that just using hard numbers gives you the big picture), combine it with common sense and hopefully temper the opinion I formed from studying the facts with my personal observations and experience. Then, for my troubles someone always trys to label me as an ignorant bigot.
Hmmm, did chu-CHU knock up my next door neighbors daughter and then skip town leaving the taxpayer to foot the bill?
Did chu-CHU put my brother's friend in the hospital when he and his friends jumped him one night and beat him with baseball bats? These FACTS aren't divine revalation. You can't see these FACTS in the hard statistics. I can't even link you to a newspaper article to prove them. You'll just have to take my word for it.
I could go on and on about the things and changes I've observed over the last 25 years of my adult life, but what's the point of arguing with someone who things I'm getting divine revaltions from chu-CHU?
I'll admit that some people make up things just to make their points, probably the majority of people, I don't know? All I can do is assure you I'm not a liar and I don't make things up. People who know me know that my word is as good as gold.
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