Illegal aliens in Mass. to get subsidized tuition

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BOSTON -- A key House panel yesterday voted to recommend passage of a bill that would afford students who are not legal residents of the United States the discounted in-state tuition rate at state colleges and universities.

After listening to more than five hours of testimony at a Statehouse hearing, the Ways & Means Committee voted in favor of the bill that would make any student who has attended at least three years of high school in Massachusetts and graduated eligible for the lower in-state tuition rate, regardless of their immigration status.

Of the eight committee members in the room when the voice vote was taken, only Rep. William Greene, D-Billerica, voted against it. The bill is expected to move to the floor for a vote
by the full House.

Greene said the testimony helped him understand the issue more fully but did not sway his opinion. He rejected the suggestion by supporters that the state would benefit economically by granting the in-state tuition rate to illegal immigrants.

?These young kids are being lied to. They can't legally get a job when they get out. These people said themselves it can take 10 years to get legal residency,? he said.

Supporters say they are optimistic the bill will pass, and they are hopeful it will win the necessary two-thirds majority to override a promised veto by Gov. Mitt Romney.

?I honestly think that as we educate more people, as more legislators understand how important this is to their districts and to the commonwealth, we will get that two-thirds,? said Ali Noorani, deputy director of the Massachusetts Immigrant and Refugee Advocacy Coalition, which is lobbying for passage of the bill.

But others aren't sure. House Speaker Salvatore DiMasi supports the legislation, but some are predicting an uphill battle before the full House. Some members of DiMasi's leadership team, including Rep. Kevin Murphy, D-Lowell, co-chairman of the Higher Education Committee, and Rep. David Nangle, D-Lowell, a member of DiMasi's inner circle, oppose the bill.

Yesterday's vote came a week after an internal squabble in the House over whether to include the change in the fiscal 2006 budget.

With the backing of Rep. Marie St. Fleur, D-Boston, herself an immigrant from Haiti, the original House budget included the proposed change. But under pressure from House leaders who did not want to include policy matters in the budget, St. Fleur agreed to pull the section and have the House consider it separately.

She declined to predict yesterday whether the bill has sufficient votes to pass or withstand a gubernatorial veto.

?You never know that until it happens on the floor,? she said.

A similar proposal was included in the final version of last year's budget but was vetoed by Romney. The House did not take up an override.

Dozens of people testified on the legislation at yesterday's hearing, including students who pleaded for a chance to afford college and Lt. Gov. Kerry Healey, who expressed the administration's opposition to the change in state law.

Supporters argued the commonwealth has a moral and financial interest in making college affordable for every person who lives here, and has already made an investment in immigrant students who are enrolled in public schools -- a constitutionally protected right.

?Frankly, we should not be about creating artificial barriers to brains and intelligence and the capacity to do more,? said Peter Larkin, a lobbyist who served in the House until his resignation in January and formerly chaired the Education Committee.

While fewer in number, opponents said the bill favors people who have flouted the law and would shortchange legal residents. Healey dubbed the bill ?well-intentioned but misguided.?

?Breaking the law should not entitle you to public benefits,? Healey said. ?America is a nation of immigrants, but America is also a nation of laws.?

Nine states have passed laws similar to the one proposed in Massachusetts, including New York.


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Of the eight committee members in the room when the voice vote was taken, only Rep. William Greene, D-Billerica, voted against it."

That there is the rep from my town. aparently the only smart in in the lot.

A question for people outside of the USA: Hoiw would you feel if I snuck into your country and then asked for YOUR tax dollars?
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: OrganizedChaos
http://www.lowellsun.com/front/ci_2717289

BOSTON -- A key House panel yesterday voted to recommend passage of a bill that would afford students who are not legal residents of the United States the discounted in-state tuition rate at state colleges and universities.

After listening to more than five hours of testimony at a Statehouse hearing, the Ways & Means Committee voted in favor of the bill that would make any student who has attended at least three years of high school in Massachusetts and graduated eligible for the lower in-state tuition rate, regardless of their immigration status.

Of the eight committee members in the room when the voice vote was taken, only Rep. William Greene, D-Billerica, voted against it. The bill is expected to move to the floor for a vote
by the full House.

Greene said the testimony helped him understand the issue more fully but did not sway his opinion. He rejected the suggestion by supporters that the state would benefit economically by granting the in-state tuition rate to illegal immigrants.

?These young kids are being lied to. They can't legally get a job when they get out. These people said themselves it can take 10 years to get legal residency,? he said.

Supporters say they are optimistic the bill will pass, and they are hopeful it will win the necessary two-thirds majority to override a promised veto by Gov. Mitt Romney.

?I honestly think that as we educate more people, as more legislators understand how important this is to their districts and to the commonwealth, we will get that two-thirds,? said Ali Noorani, deputy director of the Massachusetts Immigrant and Refugee Advocacy Coalition, which is lobbying for passage of the bill.

But others aren't sure. House Speaker Salvatore DiMasi supports the legislation, but some are predicting an uphill battle before the full House. Some members of DiMasi's leadership team, including Rep. Kevin Murphy, D-Lowell, co-chairman of the Higher Education Committee, and Rep. David Nangle, D-Lowell, a member of DiMasi's inner circle, oppose the bill.

Yesterday's vote came a week after an internal squabble in the House over whether to include the change in the fiscal 2006 budget.

With the backing of Rep. Marie St. Fleur, D-Boston, herself an immigrant from Haiti, the original House budget included the proposed change. But under pressure from House leaders who did not want to include policy matters in the budget, St. Fleur agreed to pull the section and have the House consider it separately.

She declined to predict yesterday whether the bill has sufficient votes to pass or withstand a gubernatorial veto.

?You never know that until it happens on the floor,? she said.

A similar proposal was included in the final version of last year's budget but was vetoed by Romney. The House did not take up an override.

Dozens of people testified on the legislation at yesterday's hearing, including students who pleaded for a chance to afford college and Lt. Gov. Kerry Healey, who expressed the administration's opposition to the change in state law.

Supporters argued the commonwealth has a moral and financial interest in making college affordable for every person who lives here, and has already made an investment in immigrant students who are enrolled in public schools -- a constitutionally protected right.

?Frankly, we should not be about creating artificial barriers to brains and intelligence and the capacity to do more,? said Peter Larkin, a lobbyist who served in the House until his resignation in January and formerly chaired the Education Committee.

While fewer in number, opponents said the bill favors people who have flouted the law and would shortchange legal residents. Healey dubbed the bill ?well-intentioned but misguided.?

?Breaking the law should not entitle you to public benefits,? Healey said. ?America is a nation of immigrants, but America is also a nation of laws.?

Nine states have passed laws similar to the one proposed in Massachusetts, including New York.


"
Of the eight committee members in the room when the voice vote was taken, only Rep. William Greene, D-Billerica, voted against it."

That there is the rep from my town. aparently the only smart in in the lot.

A question for people outside of the USA: Hoiw would you feel if I snuck into your country and then asked for YOUR tax dollars?
FYI there are a lot of Soccer Fans living here in the Boston Area.
 

preCRT

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: OrganizedChaos
http://www.lowellsun.com/front/ci_2717289

BOSTON -- A key House panel yesterday voted to recommend passage of a bill that would afford students who are not legal residents of the United States the discounted in-state tuition rate at state colleges and universities.

After listening to more than five hours of testimony at a Statehouse hearing, the Ways & Means Committee voted in favor of the bill that would make any student who has attended at least three years of high school in Massachusetts and graduated eligible for the lower in-state tuition rate, regardless of their immigration status.

Of the eight committee members in the room when the voice vote was taken, only Rep. William Greene, D-Billerica, voted against it. The bill is expected to move to the floor for a vote
by the full House.

Greene said the testimony helped him understand the issue more fully but did not sway his opinion. He rejected the suggestion by supporters that the state would benefit economically by granting the in-state tuition rate to illegal immigrants.

?These young kids are being lied to. They can't legally get a job when they get out. These people said themselves it can take 10 years to get legal residency,? he said.

Supporters say they are optimistic the bill will pass, and they are hopeful it will win the necessary two-thirds majority to override a promised veto by Gov. Mitt Romney.

?I honestly think that as we educate more people, as more legislators understand how important this is to their districts and to the commonwealth, we will get that two-thirds,? said Ali Noorani, deputy director of the Massachusetts Immigrant and Refugee Advocacy Coalition, which is lobbying for passage of the bill.

But others aren't sure. House Speaker Salvatore DiMasi supports the legislation, but some are predicting an uphill battle before the full House. Some members of DiMasi's leadership team, including Rep. Kevin Murphy, D-Lowell, co-chairman of the Higher Education Committee, and Rep. David Nangle, D-Lowell, a member of DiMasi's inner circle, oppose the bill.

Yesterday's vote came a week after an internal squabble in the House over whether to include the change in the fiscal 2006 budget.

With the backing of Rep. Marie St. Fleur, D-Boston, herself an immigrant from Haiti, the original House budget included the proposed change. But under pressure from House leaders who did not want to include policy matters in the budget, St. Fleur agreed to pull the section and have the House consider it separately.

She declined to predict yesterday whether the bill has sufficient votes to pass or withstand a gubernatorial veto.

?You never know that until it happens on the floor,? she said.

A similar proposal was included in the final version of last year's budget but was vetoed by Romney. The House did not take up an override.

Dozens of people testified on the legislation at yesterday's hearing, including students who pleaded for a chance to afford college and Lt. Gov. Kerry Healey, who expressed the administration's opposition to the change in state law.

Supporters argued the commonwealth has a moral and financial interest in making college affordable for every person who lives here, and has already made an investment in immigrant students who are enrolled in public schools -- a constitutionally protected right.

?Frankly, we should not be about creating artificial barriers to brains and intelligence and the capacity to do more,? said Peter Larkin, a lobbyist who served in the House until his resignation in January and formerly chaired the Education Committee.

While fewer in number, opponents said the bill favors people who have flouted the law and would shortchange legal residents. Healey dubbed the bill ?well-intentioned but misguided.?

?Breaking the law should not entitle you to public benefits,? Healey said. ?America is a nation of immigrants, but America is also a nation of laws.?

Nine states have passed laws similar to the one proposed in Massachusetts, including New York.


"
Of the eight committee members in the room when the voice vote was taken, only Rep. William Greene, D-Billerica, voted against it."

That there is the rep from my town. aparently the only smart in in the lot.

A question for people outside of the USA: Hoiw would you feel if I snuck into your country and then asked for YOUR tax dollars?
FYI there are a lot of Soccer Fans living here in the Boston Area.

But do they vote or pay taxes?
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: preCRT
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: OrganizedChaos
http://www.lowellsun.com/front/ci_2717289

BOSTON -- A key House panel yesterday voted to recommend passage of a bill that would afford students who are not legal residents of the United States the discounted in-state tuition rate at state colleges and universities.

After listening to more than five hours of testimony at a Statehouse hearing, the Ways & Means Committee voted in favor of the bill that would make any student who has attended at least three years of high school in Massachusetts and graduated eligible for the lower in-state tuition rate, regardless of their immigration status.

Of the eight committee members in the room when the voice vote was taken, only Rep. William Greene, D-Billerica, voted against it. The bill is expected to move to the floor for a vote
by the full House.

Greene said the testimony helped him understand the issue more fully but did not sway his opinion. He rejected the suggestion by supporters that the state would benefit economically by granting the in-state tuition rate to illegal immigrants.

?These young kids are being lied to. They can't legally get a job when they get out. These people said themselves it can take 10 years to get legal residency,? he said.

Supporters say they are optimistic the bill will pass, and they are hopeful it will win the necessary two-thirds majority to override a promised veto by Gov. Mitt Romney.

?I honestly think that as we educate more people, as more legislators understand how important this is to their districts and to the commonwealth, we will get that two-thirds,? said Ali Noorani, deputy director of the Massachusetts Immigrant and Refugee Advocacy Coalition, which is lobbying for passage of the bill.

But others aren't sure. House Speaker Salvatore DiMasi supports the legislation, but some are predicting an uphill battle before the full House. Some members of DiMasi's leadership team, including Rep. Kevin Murphy, D-Lowell, co-chairman of the Higher Education Committee, and Rep. David Nangle, D-Lowell, a member of DiMasi's inner circle, oppose the bill.

Yesterday's vote came a week after an internal squabble in the House over whether to include the change in the fiscal 2006 budget.

With the backing of Rep. Marie St. Fleur, D-Boston, herself an immigrant from Haiti, the original House budget included the proposed change. But under pressure from House leaders who did not want to include policy matters in the budget, St. Fleur agreed to pull the section and have the House consider it separately.

She declined to predict yesterday whether the bill has sufficient votes to pass or withstand a gubernatorial veto.

?You never know that until it happens on the floor,? she said.

A similar proposal was included in the final version of last year's budget but was vetoed by Romney. The House did not take up an override.

Dozens of people testified on the legislation at yesterday's hearing, including students who pleaded for a chance to afford college and Lt. Gov. Kerry Healey, who expressed the administration's opposition to the change in state law.

Supporters argued the commonwealth has a moral and financial interest in making college affordable for every person who lives here, and has already made an investment in immigrant students who are enrolled in public schools -- a constitutionally protected right.

?Frankly, we should not be about creating artificial barriers to brains and intelligence and the capacity to do more,? said Peter Larkin, a lobbyist who served in the House until his resignation in January and formerly chaired the Education Committee.

While fewer in number, opponents said the bill favors people who have flouted the law and would shortchange legal residents. Healey dubbed the bill ?well-intentioned but misguided.?

?Breaking the law should not entitle you to public benefits,? Healey said. ?America is a nation of immigrants, but America is also a nation of laws.?

Nine states have passed laws similar to the one proposed in Massachusetts, including New York.


"
Of the eight committee members in the room when the voice vote was taken, only Rep. William Greene, D-Billerica, voted against it."

That there is the rep from my town. aparently the only smart in in the lot.

A question for people outside of the USA: Hoiw would you feel if I snuck into your country and then asked for YOUR tax dollars?
FYI there are a lot of Soccer Fans living here in the Boston Area.

But do they vote or pay taxes?
Oh yeah, here in Everett, a suburb of Greater Boston, there are a lot of Brazilains who have become naturalized Americans. In fact they actually have a big financial influence on this city with Coffee Shops, Conveniance Stores, Liquor Stores and a few Churches. Most seem to be working towards the American Dream with a lot of success.

 

CanOWorms

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I think it's a pretty good idea. The people that benefit from this are children who had no choice on their immigration status.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I think it's a pretty good idea. The people that benefit from this are children who had no choice on their immigration status.
No doubt. When they grow up they are going to be part of society, wouldn't it be best if they were healthy and educated?
 

EagleKeeper

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Rommey has stated that he will veto it.

As others have stated, these students will not be able to work legally; so why should the receive subsidies.

It may be unfair to penalize the students for their parents decisions, however, the taxpayers should not have to pay at all for illegals. Harsh, but if they are paying taxes, then they are breaking the law, because they would have illegal SS #s to use.
I fthey are being paid under the table, then the employer is also breaking the law and needs to be penalized.
 

preCRT

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: preCRT
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: OrganizedChaos
http://www.lowellsun.com/front/ci_2717289

BOSTON -- A key House panel yesterday voted to recommend passage of a bill that would afford students who are not legal residents of the United States the discounted in-state tuition rate at state colleges and universities.

After listening to more than five hours of testimony at a Statehouse hearing, the Ways & Means Committee voted in favor of the bill that would make any student who has attended at least three years of high school in Massachusetts and graduated eligible for the lower in-state tuition rate, regardless of their immigration status.

Of the eight committee members in the room when the voice vote was taken, only Rep. William Greene, D-Billerica, voted against it. The bill is expected to move to the floor for a vote
by the full House.

Greene said the testimony helped him understand the issue more fully but did not sway his opinion. He rejected the suggestion by supporters that the state would benefit economically by granting the in-state tuition rate to illegal immigrants.

?These young kids are being lied to. They can't legally get a job when they get out. These people said themselves it can take 10 years to get legal residency,? he said.

Supporters say they are optimistic the bill will pass, and they are hopeful it will win the necessary two-thirds majority to override a promised veto by Gov. Mitt Romney.

?I honestly think that as we educate more people, as more legislators understand how important this is to their districts and to the commonwealth, we will get that two-thirds,? said Ali Noorani, deputy director of the Massachusetts Immigrant and Refugee Advocacy Coalition, which is lobbying for passage of the bill.

But others aren't sure. House Speaker Salvatore DiMasi supports the legislation, but some are predicting an uphill battle before the full House. Some members of DiMasi's leadership team, including Rep. Kevin Murphy, D-Lowell, co-chairman of the Higher Education Committee, and Rep. David Nangle, D-Lowell, a member of DiMasi's inner circle, oppose the bill.

Yesterday's vote came a week after an internal squabble in the House over whether to include the change in the fiscal 2006 budget.

With the backing of Rep. Marie St. Fleur, D-Boston, herself an immigrant from Haiti, the original House budget included the proposed change. But under pressure from House leaders who did not want to include policy matters in the budget, St. Fleur agreed to pull the section and have the House consider it separately.

She declined to predict yesterday whether the bill has sufficient votes to pass or withstand a gubernatorial veto.

?You never know that until it happens on the floor,? she said.

A similar proposal was included in the final version of last year's budget but was vetoed by Romney. The House did not take up an override.

Dozens of people testified on the legislation at yesterday's hearing, including students who pleaded for a chance to afford college and Lt. Gov. Kerry Healey, who expressed the administration's opposition to the change in state law.

Supporters argued the commonwealth has a moral and financial interest in making college affordable for every person who lives here, and has already made an investment in immigrant students who are enrolled in public schools -- a constitutionally protected right.

?Frankly, we should not be about creating artificial barriers to brains and intelligence and the capacity to do more,? said Peter Larkin, a lobbyist who served in the House until his resignation in January and formerly chaired the Education Committee.

While fewer in number, opponents said the bill favors people who have flouted the law and would shortchange legal residents. Healey dubbed the bill ?well-intentioned but misguided.?

?Breaking the law should not entitle you to public benefits,? Healey said. ?America is a nation of immigrants, but America is also a nation of laws.?

Nine states have passed laws similar to the one proposed in Massachusetts, including New York.


"
Of the eight committee members in the room when the voice vote was taken, only Rep. William Greene, D-Billerica, voted against it."

That there is the rep from my town. aparently the only smart in in the lot.

A question for people outside of the USA: Hoiw would you feel if I snuck into your country and then asked for YOUR tax dollars?
FYI there are a lot of Soccer Fans living here in the Boston Area.

But do they vote or pay taxes?
Oh yeah, here in Everett, a suburb of Greater Boston, there are a lot of Brazilains who have become naturalized Americans. In fact they actually have a big financial influence on this city with Coffee Shops, Conveniance Stores, Liquor Stores and a few Churches. Most seem to be working towards the American Dream with a lot of success.

Actually Brazilians are probably one of the larger & faster growing groups of immigrants in MA, maybe 200,000. There are approx 17,000 in Framingham alone. The Brazilian wave has been breathing new entrepreneurial life and spirit into many old decaying areas and neighborhoods in MA.

The state does need to find a way to make college affordable for MA residents. Higher Ed is one of Massachusetts' greatest resources.



Did wonder who you were referring to as "Soccer Fans"in the heart of Red Sox Nation.

cries crocodile tears for the once great Celts, tossed out of the playoffs last night, ending dreams of an almost unheard of pro sport hattrick
 

dmcowen674

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:cool: Cool, more giving away of American Tax dollars to illegal Foreigners :thumbsup:

I don't have a link but there is a State that is going to give Workers Comp to Illegal Workers out of the State Taxpayers money too :thumbsup:

America truly is the land of Opportunity if you are not from here :D
 

preCRT

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Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Rommey has stated that he will veto it.

As others have stated, these students will not be able to work legally; so why should the receive subsidies.

It may be unfair to penalize the students for their parents decisions, however, the taxpayers should not have to pay at all for illegals. Harsh, but if they are paying taxes, then they are breaking the law, because they would have illegal SS #s to use.
I fthey are being paid under the table, then the employer is also breaking the law and needs to be penalized.

If they are paying taxes, they can't collect SS benefits when they retire so why shouldn't their kids get a tuition break for state schools? Even with higher rates for out of state students, MA taxpayers are still carrying part of the tab for the students' educations. I'd rather an illegal but 'permanent' MA resident get the benefit of an education funded by some of my state tax dollars than some kid from Long Island who is surely to return to NY.
 

daveymark

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Excellent, now foreigners can smuggle themselves into the country as long as they have children. Sorry childless mexicans, you'll have to wait for the next bill to come along(shouldn't be too long)
 

Vic

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Pay no taxes, get no services. Criminals should not be subsidized. This is corruption pure and simple. Illegal votes were bought and paid for here.
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: preCRT
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Rommey has stated that he will veto it.

As others have stated, these students will not be able to work legally; so why should the receive subsidies.

It may be unfair to penalize the students for their parents decisions, however, the taxpayers should not have to pay at all for illegals. Harsh, but if they are paying taxes, then they are breaking the law, because they would have illegal SS #s to use.
I fthey are being paid under the table, then the employer is also breaking the law and needs to be penalized.

If they are paying taxes, they can't collect SS benefits when they retire so why shouldn't their kids get a tuition break for state schools? Even with higher rates for out of state students, MA taxpayers are still carrying part of the tab for the students' educations. I'd rather an illegal but 'permanent' MA resident get the benefit of an education funded by some of my state tax dollars than some kid from Long Island who is surely to return to NY.

they are pure illegals. If they are paying taxes, it is under an false/illegal number.
Therefore
1) Whey will not get any benifits.
2) who's number that they are using is going to have a higher tax burden and/or get additional benifits that they are not deserving of.
3) Many illegals also encourage(directly/indirectly) additional illegal activity from organized crime to blackmail, etc.

For them to be able to even ap[ply and be known as illegals, indicates that other law enforcement systems are failing.

It sound great for the do-gooders to help these children, however, all they are doing is encouraging additional alws to be broke.