igpu will knock down low gpu?

[anikhtos]

with the trend of giving better and better igpu and more or less apu rather than cpus do you believe that the low end graphic cards will be off??

Wondering cause if you have an old system of even a today apu
the owners of a liano for example. they can not upgrade to a newer apu because of socket difference. if your graphic card of the apu goes bad then a newer low end card would be a cheap solution and it will also give some perfomance boost over the igpu???

so will the apu cost of cpu+mobo can be low enought to justify buying those 2 instead of a low end graphic card?
so is there still a marker for the low end gpus after all??

vote and comment.

 

[gladiatorua]

Low-end GPUs will still be there. But they will have more performance.

 

[ALIVE]

Low-end GPUs will still be there. But they will have more performance.

so you are suggesting that the low end gpu will have more perfomance than the igpu of the cpu at a given time.

well i imagine as anikhtos said in his post that since today people buy low end gpus because the lowest and cheapest sues their needs
we may still in the future see low end gpu with the same perfomance as the one found at the igpu.

after all the low end gpu will coem to upgrade or replace a damage part not to beat the igpu
i believe there is still a market for them
maybe a smaller one but still.

 

[dbcoopernz]

DDR-4 adoption will give integrated GPU's a nice boost. I can't see anything less than say an AMD HDx750 level GPU being much use then.

 

[ALIVE]

DDR-4 adoption will give integrated GPU's a nice boost. I can't see anything less than say an AMD HDx750 level GPU being much use then.

well a triple or a quad channel of memory would also give them a nice boost
i do not get it why not amd implements quad channel memory for their apu lines.

4 channel memory even with cheaper clocked ram will give more bandwidth than dual channel memory hight clocked high expensive ram.

after all apus are supposed to be a cheap solution
adding 2 ram modules would be cheaper than buying 2 high frequency modules.

 

[cbn]

well a triple or a quad channel of memory would also give them a nice boost
i do not get it why not amd implements quad channel memory for their apu lines.

4 channel memory even with cheaper clocked ram will give more bandwidth than dual channel memory hight clocked high expensive ram.

after all apus are supposed to be a cheap solution
adding 2 ram modules would be cheaper than buying 2 high frequency modules.

Interesting point.

 

[BrightCandle]

Just as Intel/AMD get more transistors to play with on their die so too do the graphics card manufacturers. If integrated RAM is the way to go then it will happen on the discrete cards as well. All in all the relative capabilities will largely remain the same as both are getting similar transistor budgets, power constraints and such to work with. Their position to each other must therefore stay relative.

 

[Enigmoid]

Yes they will and they already have, anyone who is using a computer for non gaming/rendering/etc. does not need one.

Most pc are used for office work, browsing, etc. Integrated graphics are more than enough for most (90%) of the tasks of the population.

With the hd 4000/ trinity its already pretty pointless to buy a <$50 gpu because it will bring no to only a minor benefit.

 

[Hubb1e]

My brother bought a computer with an Nvidia 520 in it while the CPU had the HD4000. So I do think there is a market for low end GPUs even if they don't provide any more performance. People will buy them thinking they got a computer capable of gaming because they don't know any better. My brother even knows quite lot about computers but still fell for this.

And yes, I promptly pulled that 520 and dropped in a 7750

 

[lamedude]

Is there enough room on a laptop for 4 SO-DIMMS? Don't think AMD would increase their CPU cost for a feature that half their market can't use. At about $5-10 for the PCB and on Newegg 2x4GB is $15 cheaper than 4x2GB you might as well get a $50 video card.

 

[ALIVE]

Yes they will and they already have, anyone who is using a computer for non gaming/rendering/etc. does not need one.

Most pc are used for office work, browsing, etc. Integrated graphics are more than enough for most (90%) of the tasks of the population.

With the hd 4000/ trinity its already pretty pointless to buy a <$50 gpu because it will bring no to only a minor benefit.

yes but if your igpu goes bad then what??
buy both mainboard and new cpu??? or buy an expensive middle card gpu???

after all we must consider who is buying the low end graphic cards
mostly people that their old graphic card had gone bad
a person that builds a new computer there was always the option and cheaper to build a system around integrated graphic when that was a part of the mainboard. Low end graphic cards did not die because there were mainboards with integrated gpu.

So i see the same now. IGPU is a nice feature if you want to go cheap
but also the low end gpu when you need them to replace an old gpu or simple upgrade an old system to support a newer version of api.

But we will see how things will go.

Amd seems to dropping their low end cards in favor for their apus.
But there is still nvidia with low end cards we will soon see if their sales on that part will rise or not.

 

[ALIVE]

Is there enough room on a laptop for 4 SO-DIMMS? Don't think AMD would increase their CPU cost for a feature that half their market can't use. At about $5-10 for the PCB and on Newegg 2x4GB is $15 cheaper than 4x2GB you might as well get a $50 video card.

we are not talking only for laptops we are talking generally for pc

yes for laptops may not have space
but seriously how many manufacturers sell mainboard with 1 ram module thus you loose 20% or performance cause you are in single memory and not dual channel? And that in 2012


you can buy 4 of this 4x2=8gb for 4x12.99 =52$
or you can buy 2 of this 2x4=8gb 40$

but then that will not make them cheaper 12$ cause they both run at DDR3 1600

so you will need to buy more expensive ram. But then the differense in price will be less or may even go to the benefit of the 4x2 modules
which solution money wise will give more performance to the igpu??

 

[Wall Street]

The lowest member of the new cores for the retail HD 7000 series is the HD 7750 with a 128-bit GDDR5 bus. The lowest non-rebrand retail GeForce 600 series is the GT640 which had a 128-bit DDR 3 bus. Before the past few generations, there were $50 cards with 64-bit buses. For example, the HD 5450, the HD 4570 or the GeForce GT 520. This latest generation only has rebrands to represent this level of performance. All of the 28 nm stuff is 128-bit and $90 or above, where the integrated graphics can't compete for lack of bandwidth.

 

[ALIVE]

The lowest member of the new cores for the retail HD 7000 series is the HD 7750 with a 128-bit GDDR5 bus. The lowest non-rebrand retail GeForce 600 series is the GT640 which had a 128-bit DDR 3 bus. Before the past few generations, there were $50 cards with 64-bit buses. For example, the HD 5450, the HD 4570 or the GeForce GT 520. This latest generation only has rebrands to represent this level of performance. All of the 28 nm stuff is 128-bit and $90 or above, where the integrated graphics can't compete for lack of bandwidth.

yeap we are missing the low ends
we lost the 50$ cards with 90$ cards

lets remind this a review of anand abput the igpu perfomance of the liano a8-3850
we can see when it is paired with ddr3-1333 it trades blows with an hd6450
wins crysis los at metro2033

so suddenly the low end of gpu was raised costing now double the money.
and surely if amd made new x450 cards or nvidia new x20 cards there was going to be an audience to buy them.

 

[ShintaiDK]

iGPUs will destroy the lowend segment. Its already doing so. The only question is, if the iGPUs can reach high enough up in the segment that discrete GPUs all together cant repay their ROI. When/If that happens, discrete GPUs will dissapear all together.

 

[philipma1957]

iGPUs will destroy the lowend segment. Its already doing so. The only question is, if the iGPUs can reach high enough up in the segment that discrete GPUs all together cant repay their ROI. When/If that happens, discrete GPUs will dissapear all together.

This is the most likely case. But 5 to 10 years out.

 

[Enigmoid]

yes but if your igpu goes bad then what??
buy both mainboard and new cpu??? or buy an expensive middle card gpu???

That is really unlikely. A dedicated card is much much more likely to go bad than an igpu on the cpu. Cpu failures are really rare now. The fan is usually what breaks not the cpu itself. And today's cpus will shut off if not cooled properly rather than frying themselves.

The chances of the igp going bad without affecting the cpu cores is astronomically low. Most of the reasons why the cpu igp will fail will destroy the processor anyway (and you have to buy a new processor anyway).

Igp much more reliable than discrete gpu.

 

[NTMBK]

That is really unlikely. A dedicated card is much much more likely to go bad than an igpu on the cpu. Cpu failures are really rare now. The fan is usually what breaks not the cpu itself. And today's cpus will shut off if not cooled properly rather than frying themselves.

The chances of the igp going bad without affecting the cpu cores is astronomically low. Most of the reasons why the cpu igp will fail will destroy the processor anyway (and you have to buy a new processor anyway).

Igp much more reliable than discrete gpu.

Not to mention, the most common cause of failure on discrete graphics cards (other than OCing) is RAM chips going bad. If that happens to the iGPU, just swap out the RAM.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Discrete GPUs got something around 5% average RMA rates. iGPUs...<0.01% or so