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If you've been laid off or think you're in danger, find a job ASAP

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Phokus

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http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/16/news/economy/unemployed_need_not_apply/index.htm

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The last thing someone who is unemployed needs to be told is that they shouldn't even apply for the limited number of job openings that are available. But some companies and recruiters are doing just that.

Employment experts say they believe companies are increasingly interested only in applicants who already have a job.

"I think it is more prevalent than it used to be," said Rich Thompson, vice president of learning and performance for Adecco Group North America, the world's largest staffing firm. "I don't have hard numbers, but three out of the last four conversations I've had about openings, this requirement was brought up."

Some job postings include restrictions such as "unemployed candidates will not be considered" or "must be currently employed." Those explicit limitations have occasionally been removed from listings when an employer or recruiter is questioned by the media though.

That's what happened with numerous listings for grocery store managers throughout the Southeast posted by a South Carolina recruiter, Latro Consulting.

After CNNMoney called seeking comments on the listings last week, the restriction against unemployed candidates being considered came down. Latro Consulting refused to comment when contacted.

Sony Ericsson, a global phone manufacturer that was hiring for a new Georgia facility, also removed a similar restriction after local reporters wrote about it. According to reports, a Sony Ericsson spokesperson said that a mistake had been made.

But even if companies don't spell out in a job listing that they won't consider someone who currently doesn't have a job, experts said that unemployed applicants are typically ruled out right off the bat.


"Most executive recruiters won't look at a candidate unless they have a job, even if they don't like to admit to it," said Lisa Chenofsky Singer, a human resources consultant from Millburn, NJ, specializing in media and publishing jobs.

She said when she proposes candidates for openings, the first question she is often asked by a recruiter is if they currently have a job. If the answer is no, she's typically told the unemployed candidate won't be interviewed.

"They think you must have been laid off for performance issues," she said, adding that this is a "myth" in a time of high unemployment.

It is not against the law for companies to exclude the unemployed when trying to fill positions, but Judy Conti, a lobbyist for the National Employment Law Project, said the practice is a bad one.

"Making that kind of automatic cut is senseless; you could be missing out on the best person of all," she said. "There are millions of people who are unemployed through no fault of their own. If an employer feels that the best qualified are the ones already working, they have no appreciation of the crisis we're in right now."

Conti added that firms that hire unemployed job seekers could also benefit from a recently-passed tax break that essentially exempts them from paying the 6.2% of the new hire's wages in Social Security taxes for the rest of this year.

Thompson said he also thinks ruling out the unemployed is a bad idea. But he said that part of the problem is that recruiters and human resource departments are being overwhelmed with applications for any job opening that is posted. So they're looking for any short-cuts to get the list of applicants to consider down to a more manageable size.

"It's a tough process to determine which unemployed applicants were laid off even though they brought value to their company and which ones had performance issues," he said. "I understand the notion. But there's the top x percent of unemployed candidates who are very viable and very valuable. You just have to do the work to find them."
I wouldn't even wait until the layoff comes. I would start looking if there's even a hint that you could lose your job. It's much easier to gain employment while you're employed than unemployed. I've seen it first hand.

The article doesn't mention it but part of the problem is that companies are getting so many resumes that one of the easiest things to do is focus on the currently employed applicants first because the logic goes, 'if they're currently employed, there must be a good reason for it'. Also, the longer you stay unemployed, the harder it is to find a job with a bigger gap in employment history, literally every HR person/job expert will tell you that.

From my own observations, the few job openings i've seen at my place, the the people who fill those positions were employed at the time of application. I think there were maybe one or two unemployed people but they were unemployed for a MAXIMUM of two months and took to job hunting as a full time job with overtime. It's ridiculous that there are people out there who think they can sit on their unemployment benefits without any repercussions. The longer you've been out of work, the harder it's going to be to find work and these people are just shooting themselves in the foot, especially because the likelyhood of another extension to unemployment is very very low.

Another observation i've seen with this phenomenon is that in some instances, if someone jumps ship to another job, companies won't hire another person to replace them and just give that work to someone else. I've seen that a couple of times (and i've had some extra work handed to me as a result) and i'm wondering how much that's contributing to the slow recovery. Every time that happens, that's one less job available in the economy.

There's no need to repost old articles, particularly when your purpose is a personal attack/callout of another forum member. -Admin DrPizza
(If you disagree, then you don't know what the first 4 words of post #3 in this thread mean. They're your own words.)
 
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This "news" is from June... Sounds more like OT.

I posted it, because there's a certain IDIOT here who's bragging about leeching unemployment benefits and literally not doing anything for almost a year and he claims he will be able to find a job 'when he feels like it'. I don't want that stupidity to spread here at ATPN.
 
This "news" is from June... Sounds more like OT.

This "news" is just a Jokus attempt to "gotchya" another poster he was owned by.

Nothing to see here folks...

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You're the one that owned him?

He thinks he 'owned' me because he's spending my tax dollars doing nothing and he'll get a job whenever he wants. He's been unemployed for almost a year. It's the most wishful thinking i've ever seen.

Just for reference:

I reluctantly and surprisingly side with Craig here.

I'm collecting unemployment right now because it's there. I don't need it, but I'm eligible so I damn well am going to take it. I'm against unemployment as it currently exists, and if I could scale it way back, require working part time for the state to collect in order to incentivize getting a real job, or put some other limiting feature on it I would. But until the system changes, thanks for the free money. I enjoyed my almost 7 month paid vacation at the expense of the working stiff. Hell, I've been making the equivalent of a $15/hr full time job sitting on my ass and trolling this forum, which is more than a lot of people make busting their ass day in and day out. And I don't feel the least bit guilty because this is exactly the way all the bleeding hearts want it to work.

This was like a month or 2 ago. The post is full of LULZ, especially because he thinks he has no incentive to find a job ASAP. Now watch libertarians defend this
 
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It pisses him off that I make more money trolling these forums all day than he does doing whatever loser job it is he has.

What pisses him off even more is that when I decide to go back to work, I'll make so much more than him.

It's funny to watch him foam at the mouth ranting at me.
 
It pisses him off that I make more money trolling these forums all day than he does doing whatever loser job it is he has.

What pisses him off even more is that when I decide to go back to work, I'll make so much more than him.

It's funny to watch him foam at the mouth ranting at me.

That's funny, you called me 'rich' a month or two ago.

You're delusional, i'm literally laughing at your misfortune.
 
Also, what i find telling is that the hypocritical libertarians are siding with the leech, just like they sided with Ron Paul when he requested 10's of millions of dollars in earmarks.
 
So it's safe to say this thread is a direct attempt to mock another poster?

Pretty much. All I can figure is that Phokus is extremely insecure about the size of his penis.

And for good reason. He bragged in a PM to me about how it was bigger than average. Someone had convinced him that 3" was average.
 
That's funny, you called me 'rich' a month or two ago.

You're delusional, i'm literally laughing at your misfortune.

Did I? I suppose it's possible. There are so many insane leftists around here it's hard to keep track of you. I have no idea which one of you is raving like a lunatic at any given time.
 
So it's safe to say this thread is a direct attempt to mock another poster?

No, it was to educate ATPN that sitting on your unemployment and waiting down the road to get work is a stupid as fuck 'strategy'. I literally did not know that there was anyone who actually thought that way until today. My former co-workers and friends who have been laid off went on unemployment, but they also went balls out to try to find jobs. A couple found jobs, some went back to school, some got part time work, and some gave up after a while, but they all tried.

But since Bobber decided to show his dumbass self here, i guess i'll take the opportunity to mock his ignorance.
 
Did I? I suppose it's possible. There are so many insane leftists around here it's hard to keep track of you. I have no idea which one of you is raving like a lunatic at any given time.

I don't know what i find more enjoyable, the fact that i've reduced Amused to image spamming or making you look like a tremendous idiot. Enjoy your unemployment while it lasts.
 
No, it was to educate ATPN that sitting on your unemployment and waiting down the road to get work is a stupid as fuck 'strategy'. I literally did not know that there was anyone who actually thought that way until today. My former co-workers and friends who have been laid off went on unemployment, but they also went balls out to try to find jobs. A couple found jobs, some went back to school, some got part time work, and some gave up after a while, but they all tried.

But since Bobber decided to show his dumbass self here, i guess i'll take the opportunity to mock his ignorance.

LOL, so that's why you posted this "purely informational" thread after bumping an old thread to attempt to belittle me, and even quoted that old thread in yet another thread in yet another attempt to belittle me.

You're a pathetic little man and a liar. How sad. I feel sorry for you and everybody who knows you. Your parents must have really done something awful to you to turn you into such a contemptible waste of a space.
 
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