If you're not on Facebook (and you're young), you're a pain in the ass

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RelaxTheMind

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just do what most of us did back in the day. plan your future nights out during your nights out. make time to spend with people instead of lame excuses. make memories you can all talk about instead of wasting time talking about someones post or some stupid funny news story you read on someones timeline.
 

HamburgerBoy

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The real question is why do you lack enough backbone to just ignore it? It's like AT though, the same idiots post in another's thread about how much they hate everything they post/etc.

lol, scummy middle aged man with debt issues flaunting wanton consumption hit a little close to home, didn't it?
 

ultimatebob

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I find Facebook useful to keep up on friends and family you normally wouldn't see until a holiday or a funeral. I like it for that reason.

Yeah, until you ask them about their spouse and find out that they just went through an ugly divorce and custody battle with them that never got mentioned on Facebook :)
 

Kneedragger

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I guess people on FB don't mind the psychological test they got caught doing earlier this year?
 

squarecut1

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If only Facebook was merely stupid

For many it is an addiction no different than drugs or alcohol, with the effects not much different. It really can and is a devastating addiction
 

Capt Caveman

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That's cool. I'm just annoyed about people who are completely phony on Facebook.

For an example, I have one relative who got caught stealing prescription drugs during a DUI stop. Not only did they lose their job, but they're probably going to prison for awhile. What has this person been posting about on Facebook for the past few weeks? Posts about fucking horseback riding. Yeah, right. Anybody who actually knows what's going on in your life knows you don't have enough money to buy a pot to piss in right now let alone horseback riding lessons.

Plenty of people like that here.
 

Rinaun

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Like some others have said, that is a bit stalker-ish.

But in the same vein what really annoys me is how often people throw around FB stalking label. I don't get when you are friends (in FB and real life, with regular interaction) and they post something, you read but don't feel the need to post/like it, but you mention it in person and it's called stalking. I figure any given post is lucky if over 10% of their friends/page viewers actually leave some sign that they read it, even for stuff like birthdays.


This is why I brought that real scenario; people throw around the word stalker on FB/other places when if you had half a brain you could prvent any type of stalking online, especially now that google will remove information at your request.

But seriously, googling a dude to find out If I might work with in a 100 man or less company? Sorry I don't see being a stalker when 99% of this information I found available (in 5 minutes of total searching) was found with his last name and "bay area linkedin" added to google. If that's being a stalker in today's digital age then people are just straight fucking dumb. Stalking is repetitive. Spending 5 minutes to google something is not. I'd call that binging on information at best.

What I think bugs me the most though is stalker is not a label to be throwing around lightly, at least in my eyes. With the advent of facebook now every stupid person with a public profile is crying about people invading their privacy......some of my friends even post their house address on facebook which astounds me.

Using them isn't stalking... combing through them to find out information about someone's ex's... yea that's pretty stalkerish. Did you go to the local courthouse and pull public records on her too? I mean they're public right? So it's not stalking...

First off, lets stop the assumption train right there. It's not an ex, and I'm in a relationship (or attempting to be in one with another >.>) so has nothing to do with that. The entire purpose of finding out where he worked at was because not only was he extremely vague, but there is only 2-3 antivirus companies around where I live, and my family works fairly far up the chain at one of those companies. I was hoping I could go "nanana he's just a peon" jokingly, because that's just how we joke. I don't think you can compare "googling your facebook" to "going to hire a PI/buy a background check/going to the court house".
 
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WilliamM2

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I don't know, people accomplished shit before cell phones, so I guess we should get rid of those too?

I got rid of my cell phone 7 or 8 years ago, and I've nevr missed it. I get a lot more done without the cell phone. Maybe because I'm not stuck talking to anyone on it.

Oh, I've never had a facebook account either. I like real life, you should try it.
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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This is why I brought that real scenario; people throw around the word stalker on FB/other places when if you had half a brain you could prvent any type of stalking online, especially now that google will remove information at your request.

But seriously, googling a dude to find out If I might work with in a 100 man or less company? Sorry I don't see being a stalker when 99% of this information I found available (in 5 minutes of total searching) was found with his last name and "bay area linkedin" added to google. If that's being a stalker in today's digital age then people are just straight fucking dumb. Stalking is repetitive. Spending 5 minutes to google something is not. I'd call that binging on information at best.

What I think bugs me the most though is stalker is not a label to be throwing around lightly, at least in my eyes. With the advent of facebook now every stupid person with a public profile is crying about people invading their privacy......some of my friends even post their house address on facebook which astounds me.



First off, lets stop the assumption train right there. It's not an ex, and I'm in a relationship (or attempting to be in one with another >.>) so has nothing to do with that. The entire purpose of finding out where he worked at was because not only was he extremely vague, but there is only 2-3 antivirus companies around where I live, and my family works fairly far up the chain at one of those companies. I was hoping I could go "nanana he's just a peon" jokingly, because that's just how we joke. I don't think you can compare "googling your facebook" to "going to hire a PI/buy a background check/going to the court house".

Whatever mental gymnastics you have to do to make you sleep better at night I guess.
 

Rinaun

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Whatever mental gymnastics you have to do to make you sleep better at night I guess.

No mental gymnastics here, I just unfriended the accuser instantly and moved on with my life. Zero tolerance for that kind of shit; I have enough of a career that I don't need some GED-carrying, bar-hopping acquaintance to randomly throw around the idea of me stalking to others even in a joking sense.

As for addictions and facebook......I think that has more to do with people trying to see where other people are in life (peers, old colleagues). I just don't see a reason beside that and actual creeper "checking your facebook for updates every day" activities. I see my mom once in a blue moon do a long binge looking up old contacts on facebook, but I think its natural for people to be curious about how their life went compared to others.
 
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AyashiKaibutsu

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No mental gymnastics here, I just unfriended the offending person instantly and moved on with my life. Again, I have enough of a career that I don't need some GED-carrying bar-tramp to randomly throw around the idea of me stalking to others even in a joking sense.

Exactly
 

OverVolt

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You do know that FB friends can be made up of family, best friends and friends that you see on a regular basis, right?

You post a lot of drivel, not sure if trolling or just a retard.

The most people someone can perceive as 'human' in that you have empathy toward them and understand their feelings and such is around 150. And most people I see have more than 150 friends.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar's_number

So I heard you really have 400 real friends? Do tell more.
 
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smackababy

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ITT: people who use Facebook and people who would use Facebook, but would only have 3 friends and feel bad about themselves.


If you don't have a Facebook, it is because you have no friends and offer nothing of value to society.
 

OverVolt

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And if you believe that shit, you're not much smarter than primates that he researched. :biggrin:

Talking about people that you see on a regular basis in real life.

http://www.technologyreview.com/news/428478/three-questions-for-robin-dunbar/

I checked out some criticism stuff and it seemed to be mostly crap said by facebook users who are somehow upset that their facebook friends might actually be acquaintances.

Yup... blogs.

http://chrisbrogan.com/beating-dunbars-number/

http://www.thefutureorganization.com/why-dunbars-number-is-irrelevant/

http://johnhawks.net/weblog/reviews/behavior/social/dunbar-number-2013.html

About the last one it doesn't apply to social networks, thats the entire point. You don't know half those people. Some of the most awkward conversations I've had were from people getting info about me from facebook. I was rear ended 2 years ago or something and the pictures ended up on facebook and its just odd that it was fresher in their mind than my own when they brought it up. Must've been stuck on their wall.

And as usual they built up this whole narrative based on maybe half the information about what really happened and it was completely wrong.

Oh wow man did you get whiplash!?

It looked worse than in reality it didn't knock the car around too bad.

That must've caused so much damage!

It was like $1,700 of body work.

You got hit by a dodge ram v8 1500 you're lucky to be alive!

It was like a 15-20mph fender bender NBD. etc.
 
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zCypher

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I haven't experienced the grief that others seem to have as a result of occasionally getting updates on the lives of distant friends and family that I'd otherwise not likely see. When I was younger I was annoyed by certain people on FB, this was relatively short-lived since I realized I could decide who was on my list and what content is displayed to me. If I dislike someone enough, unfriend. This is rare as I don't typically friend you in the first place if I don't want you on there. If I simply am not interested in receiving updates about every stupid thing they like, and they have a habit of mindless drivel - I elect not to receive those updates from them. Easy. In fact, way easier than any amount of energy expended to instead complain about those people.

As for all the privacy concerns - definitely agree that Facebook is not necessarily a trustworthy entity, if anything they've proven not to be - but there's also no reasonable expectation of privacy when using their free service that relies on data-mining on the internet. You'd be fooling yourself if you expect much different of any free online social media service.

Also consider that which is actually up to you:
- You decide what personal information went into your account in the first place. Your full real name, where you grew up, where you studied, etc etc.
- You decide what content willingly got sent up to their servers. Your pictures, all of your likes, etc.
- You have control over the individual settings in your account. What is shared with who, what content is displayed to you, etc.
- You have control over your browser, computer and local area network. If you are so inclined, you could run FB inside a virtual machine to give it relative isolation from the rest of your machine. If you're really concerned about what FB is doing, you can use a browser extension like Noscript to see what other sites are implicated, among other browser goodies. Maybe tedious, but you could set up a packet capture (something like Wireshark) from your machine to see what traffic is going and coming. The list goes on - you could obviously do a lot more to dig and dig, but at what point do you draw the line there?

On their Android apps, first you have to explicitly agree or disagree to allow the app permissions to utilize your device. Even after the fact, you can go into your permissions settings (or download an app to do so if your particular version of android doesn't have that in the settings) and deny access to any permission you like for the app. In this regard, even Google would be more concerning as certain permissions don't actually get disabled even if you disable them for Google services like Hangouts (try disabling the Camera permission to Hangouts -- Camera is still active in the app afterwards. Not so for other apps including FB). So, even if you are convinced of nefarious activity on their part but refuse to give up using it, you still have a lot of things you can do to protect yourself - it all depends on how much time and energy you want to spend on it.

Much of the same privacy concerns can be said about Google and others -- bottom line is often that you have to strike a healthy balance somewhere - you can simply disconnect entirely and not use these services, or you can mitigate any privacy risks as best you can while making reasonable use of those services and understanding what is actually occurring when you use them (ie, if you understand how the web is a public space, you might not post as much personally telling stuff).


As far as the social aspect where you're cool or uncool for using or not using it--- gimme a fucking break already. I've yet to encounter a situation where someone having or not having a Facebook account has adversely impacted me in any way. People I like continue to be part of my life regardless of FB. FB has its use, it has its time and place. You use it as you see fit and take the rest out of the equation.

It's like people saying they're so happy to have gotten rid of their cell phone because they don't like being on it all the time, etc. Uh, WTF? I pay for my phone for ME and not for anyone else. I use it as I see fit. I control what calls I make and receive, I control when, how and how much I use it. It would be completely asinine for me to get rid of it for no other reason than "I'm freeing myself from the cell". Sorry, but if you were a slave to your phone you were definitely doing it wrong. Same goes for FB. If it's having a dramatic adverse effect on your life, you are definitely doing it wrong.
 
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alkemyst

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Talking about people that you see on a regular basis in real life.

http://www.technologyreview.com/news/428478/three-questions-for-robin-dunbar/

I checked out some criticism stuff and it seemed to be mostly crap said by facebook users who are somehow upset that their facebook friends might actually be acquaintances.

Yup... blogs.

http://chrisbrogan.com/beating-dunbars-number/

http://www.thefutureorganization.com/why-dunbars-number-is-irrelevant/

http://johnhawks.net/weblog/reviews/behavior/social/dunbar-number-2013.html

About the last one it doesn't apply to social networks, thats the entire point. You don't know half those people. Some of the most awkward conversations I've had were from people getting info about me from facebook. I was rear ended 2 years ago or something and the pictures ended up on facebook and its just odd that it was fresher in their mind than my own when they brought it up. Must've been stuck on their wall.

And as usual they built up this whole narrative based on maybe half the information about what really happened and it was completely wrong.

Oh wow man did you get whiplash!?

It looked worse than in reality it didn't knock the car around too bad.

That must've caused so much damage!

It was like $1,700 of body work.

You got hit by a dodge ram v8 1500 you're lucky to be alive!

It was like a 15-20mph fender bender NBD. etc.

You have the same problem most do, you are applying something scientific to the wrong application.

A "Friend's List" on Facebook is not an end all be all for "who is your friend", it's more "who do you know". Facebook allows one to further qualify a friend on an individual basis.

All my family are 'close friends', only some of my "Friend's List" are close friends. Those get my updates, the others not so much.
 

DAPUNISHER

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zCypher,

Great post. :thumbsup:


ITT: people who use Facebook and people who would use Facebook, but would only have 3 friends and feel bad about themselves.


If you don't have a Facebook, it is because you have no friends and offer nothing of value to society.
I laughed. It is the yin to the yang of the "only narcissists and desperate, lonely, people use FB" nonsense.
 

Capt Caveman

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Blahblahblahblah

:biggrin:

Wait, I may just be acquaintances with some of the people I have as FB friends? Oh, noes!!!

fwiw - one of the FB groups I belong to is a Charity running group that has almost 1000 people belonging to it. A number of us ran a race last month and thru FB, we came up with a meeting spot to get together before and after the race. Afterwards, a bunch of us went out for dinner. One person, I didn't know but we became friends/acquaintances and we're now FB friends.

Do I give a shit if they're a friend or just an acquaintances? No, but I do know this Sunday when I run a race, I'm going to meet-up with people(friends, acquaintances and strangers) before and after the race. And who knows, maybe I'll make another friend or acquaintance on Sunday. But I'll make sure that primate research and blogs affect how I few all these people.

Oh, I may also be giving one of these FB friends/acquaintances a ride down to the race b/c they posted seeing if anyone could give him a ride. I hope he's real. :biggrin:
 

alkemyst

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:biggrin:

Wait, I may just be acquaintances with some of the people I have as FB friends? Oh, noes!!!

fwiw - one of the FB groups I belong to is a Charity running group that has almost 1000 people belonging to it. A number of us ran a race last month and thru FB, we came up with a meeting spot to get together before and after the race. Afterwards, a bunch of us went out for dinner. One person, I didn't know but we became friends/acquaintances and we're now FB friends.

Do I give a shit if they're a friend or just an acquaintances? No, but I do know this Sunday when I run a race, I'm going to meet-up with people(friends, acquaintances and strangers) before and after the race. And who knows, maybe I'll make another friend or acquaintance on Sunday. But I'll make sure that primate research and blogs affect how I few all these people.

Oh, I may also be giving one of these FB friends/acquaintances a ride down to the race b/c they posted seeing if anyone could give him a ride. I hope he's real. :biggrin:

QFT. Many of my 'friends' are actually groups. I get to see the invites, where a band I like may be playing, etc.

My fiancee and I are out many nights of the week even if just for a couple hours.