If you're looking for some new, extremely amusing comedy material...

[dug777]

I'd recommend you start with the third series, then watch the second, then the fourth, and then, if you really enjoyed that, watch the first series, as it's a bit 'different' and it would probably be enough to confuse and frighten anyone raised to think that Seinfeld is funny

EDIT: it has a very big name cast, in case you're worried you won't recognise anyone Rowan Atkinson, Hugh Laurie, and Stephen Fry you might be aware of...

After that you're probably ready for some Monty Python

 

[NFS4]

I don't think that anyone said that it was the epitome of humor. It's just a GREAT comedy show that millions loved (and still do love). For those that dismiss it, remember, you're in the minority.

But it's the common theme around these parts to dismiss the "popular" guy

 

[Ronstang]

Blackadder is hilarious but you have to realize when you are talking about British humor a lot of Americans just don't get a lot of the jokes, especially if they are of a political, historical, or cultural nature. I love British humor but many simply don't get it.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: NFS4
I don't think that anyone said that it was the epitome of humor. It's just a GREAT comedy show that millions loved (and still do love). For those that dismiss it, remember, you're in the minority.

But it's the common theme around these parts to dismiss the "popular" guy

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhburned

Sorry to hurt your feelings babe :laugh:

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: dug777
I'd recommend you start with the third series, then watch the second, then the fourth, and then, if you really enjoyed that, watch the first series, as it's a bit 'different' and it would probably be enough to confuse and frighten anyone raised to think that Seinfeld is funny

EDIT: it has a very big name cast, in case you're worried you won't recognise anyone Rowan Atkinson, Hugh Laurie, and Stephen Fry you might be aware of...

After that you're probably ready for some Monty Python

I don't find british humor funny.. I find it childish. Seinfeld is intelligent humor.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: dug777
I'd recommend you start with the third series, then watch the second, then the fourth, and then, if you really enjoyed that, watch the first series, as it's a bit 'different' and it would probably be enough to confuse and frighten anyone raised to think that Seinfeld is funny

EDIT: it has a very big name cast, in case you're worried you won't recognise anyone Rowan Atkinson, Hugh Laurie, and Stephen Fry you might be aware of...

After that you're probably ready for some Monty Python

I don't find british humor funny.. I find it childish. Seinfeld is intelligent humor.

You mean you don't understand british humour, so of course you don't find it funny. A lot of it is extremely intelligent humour

As for the claim seinfeld is 'intelligent', most would say that's totally laughable. It's forced humour that ANYONE can understand, because the labour the jokes until a) they're totally obvious and b)they've lost any vestige of funny they might have once had the first time round ...

 

[Ronstang]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: dug777
I'd recommend you start with the third series, then watch the second, then the fourth, and then, if you really enjoyed that, watch the first series, as it's a bit 'different' and it would probably be enough to confuse and frighten anyone raised to think that Seinfeld is funny

EDIT: it has a very big name cast, in case you're worried you won't recognise anyone Rowan Atkinson, Hugh Laurie, and Stephen Fry you might be aware of...

After that you're probably ready for some Monty Python

I don't find british humor funny.. I find it childish. Seinfeld is intelligent humor.

That is a laugh, Seinfeld is anything but intelligent humor. If it was, 90% of the people watching it wouldn't get it.

 

[NFS4]

Seinfeld is everyman humor that many can relate to. THAT's why it has mass appeal to many Americans. Just in everyday speech, musings, behavior, work, etc, Seinfeld has some sort of relevance. Someone might say something or they might do something that sparks a similiarity or some keen reference to Seinfeld.

Lately though, I've been relating a lot of what I do and things that I see (especially around my GF's family) to Everybody Loves Raymond. It's definitely not the most original or overtly funnny show by any means, but its situational humor allows many people who are in relationships and who have interactions with their in-laws to appreciate it.

It doesn't have to be intelligent humor. Intelligence shouldn't even have to factor into the equation. Humor is humor, plain and simple. Seinfeld just has has mass appeal because of its more "human" nature.

 

[everman]

Seinfeld is one kind of humor, Monty Python is something completely different, both are great in their own way. If I had to choose between the two then I'd definitly go with Monty Python.
I don't really like any current comedy shows, and I still don't know why people liked Friends. I guess my preference for comedy really leans more towards Monty Python and humor that requires more thinking to "get it". Maybe it's the act of getting the joke that I find more interesting than when something tries to be blatently humorous and thus fails because it wasn't clever.

I'm rambling, I need sleep.

 

[preslove]

Black Adder was a great show, don't get me wrong, but it wasn't particularly original in its comedy. You had the snide Rowen Atkinson cutting people down (this was his best role. Mr. Bean was just plain idiotic. I mean, it made benny hill look funny). Hugh Laurie and Stephen Fry played conventional stupid characters. These are all STOCK BRITISH CHARACTERS THAT HAVE BEEN IN BRITISH COMEDY FOR DECADES!!!! It was a good show, but it was just a conventional british comedy with a historical gimmick. IMO Hugh Laurie was far superior in that comedy with Jeeves (forget the name of it, but he played a upper class twit and had a smart butler always looking out for him).

Monty Python was perhaps the best comedy troupe of the 20th century. No argument there.

Seinfeld was FAR more advanced than black adder or anything that atkinson, laurie, or fry have ever even camioed in. It and the simpsons were BY FAR the best written shows in the 1990's. Period. End of fvcking story.


p.s. Australia can't hang with either country.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: preslove
Black Adder was a great show, don't get me wrong, but it wasn't particularly original in its comedy. You had the snide Rowen Atkinson cutting people down (this was his best role. Mr. Bean was just plain idiotic. I mean, it made benny hill look funny). Hugh Laurie and Stephen Fry played conventional stupid characters. These are all STOCK BRITISH CHARACTERS THAT HAVE BEEN IN BRITISH COMEDY FOR DECADES!!!! Don't get me wrong it was a good show, but it was just a conventional british comedy with a historical gimmick. IMO Hugh Laurie was far superior in that comedy with Jeeves (forget the name of it, but he played a upper class twit and had a smart butler always looking out for him).

Monty Python was perhaps the best comedy troupe of the 20th century. No argument there.

Seinfeld was FAR more advanced than black adder or anything that atkinson, laurie, or fry have ever even camioed in. It and the simpsons were BY FAR the best written shows in the 1990's. Period. End of fvcking story.


p.s. Australia can't hang with either country.

I think you're alone in claiming that seinfeld is more advanced than blackadder As far as i can see, the seinfeld episodes consist of taking a few 'in' jokes, and repeating them to death, while the characters get involved in nonsensical and painfully exaggerated situations that you're supposed to empathise with from your daily life...there's nothing advanced or clever about that

I think NSF4 makes some valid points n that matter that entirely contradict you.

As for the Simpsons, while they had some excellent episodes early on (watch them now & they've aged badly tho), Futurama, both on a episode by episode basis, but more importantly, as a series, knocks it into a cocked hat.o

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: preslove
Black Adder was a great show, don't get me wrong, but it wasn't particularly original in its comedy. You had the snide Rowen Atkinson cutting people down (this was his best role. Mr. Bean was just plain idiotic. I mean, it made benny hill look funny). Hugh Laurie and Stephen Fry played conventional stupid characters. These are all STOCK BRITISH CHARACTERS THAT HAVE BEEN IN BRITISH COMEDY FOR DECADES!!!! It was a good show, but it was just a conventional british comedy with a historical gimmick. IMO Hugh Laurie was far superior in that comedy with Jeeves (forget the name of it, but he played a upper class twit and had a smart butler always looking out for him).

Monty Python was perhaps the best comedy troupe of the 20th century. No argument there.

Seinfeld was FAR more advanced than black adder or anything that atkinson, laurie, or fry have ever even camioed in. It and the simpsons were BY FAR the best written shows in the 1990's. Period. End of fvcking story.


p.s. Australia can't hang with either country.

Benny Hill was hilarious!

 

[preslove]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: preslove
Black Adder was a great show, don't get me wrong, but it wasn't particularly original in its comedy. You had the snide Rowen Atkinson cutting people down (this was his best role. Mr. Bean was just plain idiotic. I mean, it made benny hill look funny). Hugh Laurie and Stephen Fry played conventional stupid characters. These are all STOCK BRITISH CHARACTERS THAT HAVE BEEN IN BRITISH COMEDY FOR DECADES!!!! Don't get me wrong it was a good show, but it was just a conventional british comedy with a historical gimmick. IMO Hugh Laurie was far superior in that comedy with Jeeves (forget the name of it, but he played a upper class twit and had a smart butler always looking out for him).

Monty Python was perhaps the best comedy troupe of the 20th century. No argument there.

Seinfeld was FAR more advanced than black adder or anything that atkinson, laurie, or fry have ever even camioed in. It and the simpsons were BY FAR the best written shows in the 1990's. Period. End of fvcking story.


p.s. Australia can't hang with either country.

I think you're alone in claiming that seinfeld is more advanced than blackadder As far as i can see, the seinfeld episodes consist of taking a few 'in' jokes, and repeating them to death, while the characters get involved in nonsensical and painfully exaggerated situations...there's nothing advanced or clever about that

I think NSF4 makes some valid points n that matter that entirely contradict you.

As for the Simpsons, while they had some excellent episodes early on (watch them now & they've aged badly tho), Futurama, both on a episode by episode basis, but more importantly, as a series, knocks it into a cocked hat.o

Black Adder is nothing but stock characters set in historical periods. It's nothing new. It's nothing that faulty towers didn't do twenty freaking years before. It did nothing for its format. Funny, but derivative .

Seinfeld OTOH exploded the entire concept of its form, the sitcom. Before Seinfeld american sit coms had to have stupid life lessons, sappy stories, lovable characters who made wisecracks, and could never push the envelope. Seinfeld had self loathing, narcissistic characters pushing at the bounderies of good taste, pursued unconventional and never-done-before story lines and events (the masturbation bet, susan getting killed off, the meta-sit-com plot with the pilot story line). Seinfeld just did stuff that had never been done before on american television. The characters, the writing, and the sensibility were totally and utterly original.

Black Adder? Again, every single character in that show had been stock in british comedy for twenty or thirty years. If you want to find a british show closer to seinfeld and put on recently you would have to turn to the Office, which was fantastic and revolutionary, but really didn't hold a candle to Seinfeld seaons 4,5, 7, 8, and 9.

Futurama? It's just the simpsons with a scifi theme. Great, and better than the simpson's >seasons 11 or 12, but nothing compared to seasons 5-8.

Dude, you know NOTHING about american comedy, and barely anything about british, either.

And Australia sucks, too

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: preslove

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: preslove
Black Adder was a great show, don't get me wrong, but it wasn't particularly original in its comedy. You had the snide Rowen Atkinson cutting people down (this was his best role. Mr. Bean was just plain idiotic. I mean, it made benny hill look funny). Hugh Laurie and Stephen Fry played conventional stupid characters. These are all STOCK BRITISH CHARACTERS THAT HAVE BEEN IN BRITISH COMEDY FOR DECADES!!!! Don't get me wrong it was a good show, but it was just a conventional british comedy with a historical gimmick. IMO Hugh Laurie was far superior in that comedy with Jeeves (forget the name of it, but he played a upper class twit and had a smart butler always looking out for him).

Monty Python was perhaps the best comedy troupe of the 20th century. No argument there.

Seinfeld was FAR more advanced than black adder or anything that atkinson, laurie, or fry have ever even camioed in. It and the simpsons were BY FAR the best written shows in the 1990's. Period. End of fvcking story.


p.s. Australia can't hang with either country.

I think you're alone in claiming that seinfeld is more advanced than blackadder As far as i can see, the seinfeld episodes consist of taking a few 'in' jokes, and repeating them to death, while the characters get involved in nonsensical and painfully exaggerated situations...there's nothing advanced or clever about that

I think NSF4 makes some valid points n that matter that entirely contradict you.

As for the Simpsons, while they had some excellent episodes early on (watch them now & they've aged badly tho), Futurama, both on a episode by episode basis, but more importantly, as a series, knocks it into a cocked hat.o

Black Adder is nothing but stock characters set in historical periods. It's nothing new. It's nothing that faulty towers didn't do twenty freaking years before. It did nothing for its format. Funny, but derivitave.

Seinfeld ONTH exploded the entire concept of its form, the sitcom. Before Seinfeld american sit coms had to have stupid life lessons, sappy stories, lovable characters who made wisecracks, and could never push the envelope. Seinfeld had self loathing, narcissistic characters pushing at the bounderies of good taste, pursued unconventional and never-done-before story lines and events (the masturbation bet, susan getting killed off, the meta-sit-com plot with the pilot story line). Seinfeld just did stuff that had never been done before on american television. The characters, the writing, and the sensibility were totally and utterly original?

Black Adder? Again, every single character in that show had been stock in british comedy for twenty or thirty years. If you want to find a british show closer to seinfeld and put on recently you would have to turn to the Office, which was fantastic and revolutionary, but really didn't hold a candle to Seinfeld seaons 4,5, 7, 8, and 9.

Futurama? It's just the simpsons with a scifi theme. Great, and better than the simpson's >seasons 11 or 12, but nothing compared to seasons 5-8.

Dude, you know NOTHING about american comedy, and barely anything about british, either.

And Australia sucks, too

:laugh:

That's some amusing self-pwnage there I know nothing about comedy, yet you odn't even know when Blackadder was made? :laugh:

20 years my ass

 

[preslove]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: preslove

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: preslove
Black Adder was a great show, don't get me wrong, but it wasn't particularly original in its comedy. You had the snide Rowen Atkinson cutting people down (this was his best role. Mr. Bean was just plain idiotic. I mean, it made benny hill look funny). Hugh Laurie and Stephen Fry played conventional stupid characters. These are all STOCK BRITISH CHARACTERS THAT HAVE BEEN IN BRITISH COMEDY FOR DECADES!!!! Don't get me wrong it was a good show, but it was just a conventional british comedy with a historical gimmick. IMO Hugh Laurie was far superior in that comedy with Jeeves (forget the name of it, but he played a upper class twit and had a smart butler always looking out for him).

Monty Python was perhaps the best comedy troupe of the 20th century. No argument there.

Seinfeld was FAR more advanced than black adder or anything that atkinson, laurie, or fry have ever even camioed in. It and the simpsons were BY FAR the best written shows in the 1990's. Period. End of fvcking story.


p.s. Australia can't hang with either country.

I think you're alone in claiming that seinfeld is more advanced than blackadder As far as i can see, the seinfeld episodes consist of taking a few 'in' jokes, and repeating them to death, while the characters get involved in nonsensical and painfully exaggerated situations...there's nothing advanced or clever about that

I think NSF4 makes some valid points n that matter that entirely contradict you.

As for the Simpsons, while they had some excellent episodes early on (watch them now & they've aged badly tho), Futurama, both on a episode by episode basis, but more importantly, as a series, knocks it into a cocked hat.o

Black Adder is nothing but stock characters set in historical periods. It's nothing new. It's nothing that faulty towers didn't do twenty freaking years before. It did nothing for its format. Funny, but derivitave.

Seinfeld ONTH exploded the entire concept of its form, the sitcom. Before Seinfeld american sit coms had to have stupid life lessons, sappy stories, lovable characters who made wisecracks, and could never push the envelope. Seinfeld had self loathing, narcissistic characters pushing at the bounderies of good taste, pursued unconventional and never-done-before story lines and events (the masturbation bet, susan getting killed off, the meta-sit-com plot with the pilot story line). Seinfeld just did stuff that had never been done before on american television. The characters, the writing, and the sensibility were totally and utterly original?

Black Adder? Again, every single character in that show had been stock in british comedy for twenty or thirty years. If you want to find a british show closer to seinfeld and put on recently you would have to turn to the Office, which was fantastic and revolutionary, but really didn't hold a candle to Seinfeld seaons 4,5, 7, 8, and 9.

Futurama? It's just the simpsons with a scifi theme. Great, and better than the simpson's >seasons 11 or 12, but nothing compared to seasons 5-8.

Dude, you know NOTHING about american comedy, and barely anything about british, either.

And Australia sucks, too

:laugh:

That's some amusing self-pwnage there I know nothing about comedy, yet you odn't even know when Blackadder was made? :laugh:

20 years my ass

OK, 10 years. It still did nothing new.

 

[Skeeedunt]

Sorry guys, I was wearing a dress and making crude jokes in a high-pitched voice. What were we talking about?

 

[dug777]

@preslove


I have to admit i think you miss my point, it doesn't matter that Seinfeld was a new genre, there's nothing 'clever' about it British comedy tends to rely on a degree of intelligence in the viewer, and knowledge of various cultural/historical facts to work best. Seinfeld is dumbed down, in your face, forced humour than anyone can understand, and many people don't appreciate that...

Just because something was groundbreaking, doesn't automatically make it any good, does it? You aren't suggesting that because the Model-T ford was groundbreaking, it's better than a 2006 Lexus?

 

[preslove]

Originally posted by: dug777
@preslove


I have to admit i think you miss my point, it doesn't matter that Seinfeld was a new genre, there's nothing 'clever' about it British comedy tends to rely on a degree of intelligence in the viewer, and knowledge of various cultural/historical facts to work best. Seinfeld is dumbed down, in your face, forced humour than anyone can understand, and many people don't appreciate that...

Just because something was groundbreaking, doesn't automatically make it any good, does it? You aren't suggesting that because the Model-T ford was groundbreaking, it's better than a 2006 Lexus?

No, you just miss the point of good comedy. I get black adder, it's funny, but I just get bored with the same freaking smarmy, cynical protagonist making cutting jokes at the assorted odd-ball moronic stock characters (this dynamic is in >50% of british comedy). It's funny, but unoriginal. I can understand every single historical reference in black adder, but "clever" only gets you so far.

I get black adder. You don't get seinfeld and act all condescendig because you just don't get the humor. That's a problem with you, not the show.

p.s. australia still sucks.

 

[dug777]

I suspect we're going to have to agree to disagree, but i do suggest that people check out Blackadder

 

[zugzoog]

Slightly OT,

Dug, have you been watching the series by Tony Robinson on ABC "The worst jobs in history"? BTW Tony Robinson played "Baldric" in Black Adder. He also does the worst job from each period that he looks at, last week he was a Fuller, yep, he was ankle deep in week old urine fulling cloth.

It has been very instructive in how bad life used to be.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: preslove

Originally posted by: dug777
@preslove


I have to admit i think you miss my point, it doesn't matter that Seinfeld was a new genre, there's nothing 'clever' about it British comedy tends to rely on a degree of intelligence in the viewer, and knowledge of various cultural/historical facts to work best. Seinfeld is dumbed down, in your face, forced humour than anyone can understand, and many people don't appreciate that...

Just because something was groundbreaking, doesn't automatically make it any good, does it? You aren't suggesting that because the Model-T ford was groundbreaking, it's better than a 2006 Lexus?

No, you just miss the point of good comedy. I get black adder, it's funny, but I just get bored with the same freaking smarmy, cynical protagonist making cutting jokes at the assorted odd-ball moronic stock characters (this dynamic is in >50% of british comedy). It's funny, but unoriginal. I can understand every single historical reference in black adder, but "clever" only gets you so far.

I get black adder. You don't get seinfeld and act all condescendig because you just don't get the humor. That's a problem with you, not the show.

p.s. australia still sucks.

You insist on attempting to make this personal don't you? Grow up mate

I can't see how anyone could fail to 'get' seinfeld, unless they were deaf, blind, and retarded maybe, it's not ever subtle or particularly clever

To the the degree that i 'get' good comedy, i'm not daft enough to think that just because something may be original, it automagically has to be brilliant, and to be honest i certainly don't think seinfeld is brilliant at all. It's predictable, inane, and forced humour, and if that's what you like, that's great

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: zugzoog
Slightly OT,

Dug, have you been watching the series by Tony Robinson on ABC "The worst jobs in history"? BTW Tony Robinson played "Baldric" in Black Adder. He also does the worst job from each period that he looks at, last week he was a Fuller, yep, he was ankle deep in week old urine fulling cloth.

It has been very instructive in how bad life used to be.

I haven't seen that, but i have been watching some of the archeological show he hosts currently. I should try to catch some...i wonder if it's torrented?

 

[theknight571]

Where does "Are You Being Served" or "Yes, Minister" fit in here.

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: theknight571
Where does "Are You Being Served" or "Yes, Minister" fit in here.

:laugh:

i enjoyed 'Yes Minister' a lot

 

[Feldenak]

Black Adder is still around? Personally, I always preferred Red Dwarf.