If your wife becomes fat [during marriage], would you divorce her?

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If your wife becomes fat, would you divorce her?

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Meh.. you don't get a hard body by dieting plus you can eat whatever you want by running.

Diet is 75% of all weight loss. Exercise is just the equalizer that puts you on the good side of the scale. Almost any person that needs to lose weight has to start with their mouth and not their legs.
 

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Diet is 75% of all weight loss. Exercise is just the equalizer that puts you on the good side of the scale. Almost any person that needs to lose weight has to start with their mouth and not their legs.

For a minute I thought I was fighting this battle alone.
 

Zebo

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Way to argue, I see your point clearly!

Oh, wait...

General Military PT is about retention not fitness from charts I've seen and people in uniform I've seen. High speed low drag guys are all thin because they run for real.
 

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General Military PT is about retention not fitness from charts I've seen and people in uniform I've seen. High speed low drag guys are all thin because they run for real.

If my 9 years in the Navy are any indication it is all about appearances and making the service look good.
I've seen plenty of fat bastards haul hoses up and down the fire trainer, but a skinny guy always looks better in uniform.
And anybody who is in really good shape sure as shit doesnt get there during command PT.
 

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General Military PT is about retention not fitness from charts I've seen and people in uniform I've seen. High speed low drag guys are all thin because they run for real.

Not all militaries do the same PT, nor do all bases, battalions, regiments, units, troops, etc.
 

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For a minute I thought I was fighting this battle alone.

It really is just basic math and lifestyle choices. You absolutely can overcome excess calories with enough exercise, but it is just like you said...a lot easier to pass on the 250 calorie snickers than spend an extra 20 minutes on the treadmill.

For most people that are overweight the single biggest thing that they can do to control their weight is dialing in the diet. Get yourself into a metabolic deficiency through healthy eating and then slam home the rest through exercise.

It's just a lot easier to pass on the high calorie dessert/snack and commit to a 30 minute workout than it is to eat it and now have a one hour workout to make up the excess intake.

Once you start dropping weight and have your weight under control, exercising regularly and have a very good understanding of your caloric needs you can cheat here and there since you probably have a bit of a cusion in your metabolic needs vs. intake.
 

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Diet is 75% of all weight loss. Exercise is just the equalizer that puts you on the good side of the scale. Almost any person that needs to lose weight has to start with their mouth and not their legs.

LOL That's why I know no fat runners and I know plenty of fat dieters. Just the opposite actually.

For anyone interested in real permanent weightloss with whole host of other benefits such as sleep better, have more energy through-out day, healthy endocrine and lymphatic system - RUN!

Don't worry about distance or keeping up with anyone your HRM will tell you how fast and it also has a clock to tell you how long. You may only start by walking 45 min and be "in the zone". A month later you're staggering running and walking at direction of the HRM. In three months you'll be able to run whole time an love it! It will change your life.
 

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Oh and one final comment...

thin/not-fat != healthy

While weight plays the single biggest factor in almost all adverse health factors (blood pressure, heart disease risk, diabetes, cancer, stroke, ect) simply eating crap..but less of it doesn't make things right.

You still need exercise for stamina, immune system, bone density, muscle definition retention, and a whole host of other mental benefits.
 

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LOL That's why I know no fat runners and I know plenty of fat dieters. Just the opposite actually.

I ran collegiate level cross country and have a pile of hardware on the shelves from road races. I've got my running stripes. You are experiencing sample bias and nothing more.
 

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LOL That's why I know no fat runners and I know plenty of fat dieters. Just the opposite actually.

For anyone interested in real permanent weightloss with whole host of other benefits such as sleep better, have more energy through-out day, healthy endocrine and lymphatic system - RUN!

Proper diet will do all these things, but faster. Better yet, someone who diets and lifts weights will be vastly superior.

Oh, and anyone who's still fat and is following a proper diet is lying or eating a lot more than they realize.
 

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its true; dieting is a lot more effective than exercise at losing weight. sure you need a balance of both to not become unhealthy skinny, but id say impact is 80% diet and 20% exercise
 

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Oh and one final comment...

thin/not-fat != healthy

While weight plays the single biggest factor in almost all adverse health factors (blood pressure, heart disease risk, diabetes, cancer, stroke, ect) simply eating crap..but less of it doesn't make things right.

You still need exercise for stamina, immune system, bone density, muscle definition retention, and a whole host of other mental benefits.

Dude you know as well as I do you can't eat crap and be a serious runner. Similarly I only drink one night a week , Friday, because Saturday is my off day otherwise it's murder. Forget about smoking or any other garbage.
 

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Activity Calories burned
Running 7 mph 1,279
Total Calories Burned 1,278

Activity Calories burned
Running 10 mph 1,999
Total Calories Burned 1,999

That's a lot of Brisket! Enjoy it!

http://www.healthstatus.com/cgi-bin/calc/calculator.cgi

Either you're drastically overweight or you're overestimating how fast/long you actually run. The average proper weight person burns between 100-150 or so calories per mile.
 

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Dude you know as well as I do you can't eat crap and be a serious runner. Similarly I only drink one night a week , Friday, because Saturday is my off day otherwise it's murder. Forget about smoking or any other garbage.

So...you follow a good diet?
 

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Proper diet will do all these things, but faster. Better yet, someone who diets and lifts weights will be vastly superior.

Oh, and anyone who's still fat and is following a proper diet is lying or eating a lot more than they realize.

They could also be completely sedentary. You have to burn more calories than you eat, regardless of the diet or exercise you do, if you want to lose weight.
 

Zebo

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You'd have to be running for two hours to get that kind of calorie burn. Most people can't fit 2 hours of running in 3x per week.

No 1 hour at 245 which is what I weigh. Get this when I let myself go to 320 during and after college!

Activity Calories burned
Running 10 mph 2,611
Total Calories Burned 2,611

See fat people benefit MOST by running. Self correcting sport! Beautiful.
 

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They could also be completely sedentary. You have to burn more calories than you eat, regardless of the diet or exercise you do, if you want to lose weight.

You naturally burn calories throughout the day doing usual things. Even someone with a sedentary lifestyle will still burn calories. If they're not active at all, there's no reason to consume an extreme amount of calories. A proper diet, with little to no activity, will still result in weight loss for an overweight individual.

People seem to not want to believe that they have to eat less, because it's hard for them to do. Because of that, they make excuses as to why it's so hard to lose weight.
 

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No 1 hour at 245 which is what I weigh. Get this when I let myself go to 320 during and after college!

Activity Calories burned
Running 10 mph 2,611
Total Calories Burned 2,611

See fat people benefit MOST by running. Self correcting sport! Beautiful.

Not trying to be a dick here, but I doubt at 245 or 320 you were running at 10mph for 60 minutes.
 

Zebo

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Not trying to be a dick here, but I doubt at 245 or 320 you were running at 10mph for 60 minutes.

They were just examples.

Are you kidding I'm slow as fuck, my running buddy John about 150lb ltwt, who eats all he wants too btw, runs rings around me. I always say, as he passes me with a smirk, strap 100lbs on you back and lets race:)

Anyway do about 5.2-6.6 miles in an hour depending how I feel that day. HRM tells me how fast to go.
 

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If we were going to exaggerate examples you might just as well have said 400lbs @ 12mph. When you're seriously overweight the best approach is diet first, exercise later. One of the most prominent reasons is for the sake of your knees. Running with extra weight puts a lot of pressure on the joints and can cause permanent damage, especially at 250-320lbs. Eating a better, lower calorie diet will help you drop the excess weight until you're at a healthier point. From then on, you can start doing a routine that suits your goals (ie. weights 3-5 times a week with cardio on off days).

You need all three things (diet, resistance, cardio) to be truly healthy AND fit. You can be skinny from just running, but for most people that's not their goal (in fact, it would take longer).

Eat less, eat clean, lift more. You'd see the most benefit at your weight. You've built some strong muscles from carrying around the extra weight, it would be a shame to waste it all by running until you're skinny.
 

Zebo

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Oh fuck! You bought into every stupidsition there is. My dad is 72 and a big man too. and runs 7 miles day. Use it or lose it.

You know who has knee problems? Fat 50 yrolds who don't do a damn thing. Big runners do not. (unless torn acl when line backer hits fullback knee) but that does not count, that's trauma. Inactivity will destroy the knees and hips and ankles, not running which strengthens them. another bonus to being a runner.
 
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