If your senator voted yes on the bailout time to vote them out
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Politicians have always and will always rape the American public. I guess you can pick one that will rape you less..
Capt Caveman
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Thankfully we got a bailout/rescue plan. Now, credit will start loosening up and construction projects can continue putting people back to work, businesses will be able to pay their people, etc...
cKGunslinger
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Really? Both my Republican Senators voted for it, but my Rep voted against both times. I guess I'll keep him around..
Capt Caveman
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The US has bee drifting right since the 60s. I think the buying power of the middle class working man was at it's height in Carter Admin.
The only thing that will save this country is a swing to the left and the dynamism and progressive thinking on the coasts. Our politics is paralyzed by issues like abortion and church and state and evolution which every moron and idiot in the Midwest and South uses to get elected. Get rid of Republicans and the country will advance. We are nailed down by a bunch of backward primitive idiots. Any idiot that calls himself an American, waves a flag, has a gun rack, flies a confederate flag, goes to Nascar, and all the other superficial badges of imbecility that have no place is a world dying of backwardness is no real American, is a menace to America, and should not vote. Then and only then, will you not only not get a bailout vote, you won't need one.
The only thing that will save this country is a swing to the left and the dynamism and progressive thinking on the coasts. Our politics is paralyzed by issues like abortion and church and state and evolution which every moron and idiot in the Midwest and South uses to get elected. Get rid of Republicans and the country will advance. We are nailed down by a bunch of backward primitive idiots. Any idiot that calls himself an American, waves a flag, has a gun rack, flies a confederate flag, goes to Nascar, and all the other superficial badges of imbecility that have no place is a world dying of backwardness is no real American, is a menace to America, and should not vote. Then and only then, will you not only not get a bailout vote, you won't need one.
I think the backlash against the "rescue plan" is the ignorance to what it is intended to do and how our economy works. The AIG "loan" is also misunderstood by people who need to quit ignoring their own financial situation let alone emotionally react to an economic response by the government that they don't understand.
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It's a much needed stimulus that, while imperfect of course, will do more good than harm (without question) but can also be tweaked over time. We'll start seeing the positive effects sometime next year. Right now we have to simply get ourselves out of this recession.
"Without question" is highly questionable, as we are already having a steep declining economy without the rescue package. It is more likely to be steeper and harsher without it. The impact on taxpayers in the long run is most likely to be 10-25% of the so called 700 billion at worst. There is a possibility, though unlikely, that the government can make money on this. The government is intervening due to the public relying on the government to take care of their mistakes as a whole,... and this has been the prevailing attitude for a couple decades.
The problem I don't like, is that it makes the federal government more in control of our country and the individual more at the will of the government. This concept of the central goverment is what our founding fathers railed against and created our country upon in large part. It is what one of our parties wants us to become in a socialist way and this feeds into that,....
I believe in capitolism, individual freedom and just enough government to provide the basics (security from invasion of foreign countries for instance).
How about we vote the ignorant people who voted against it or called their senators, right out of this country?
If you can't make the leap of logic to understand the ramifications to the entire world, because of our own follies, and realize that something needed to be done, perhaps you fall below the minimum IQ line to actually be a part of this country.
If you can't make the leap of logic to understand the ramifications to the entire world, because of our own follies, and realize that something needed to be done, perhaps you fall below the minimum IQ line to actually be a part of this country.
Here's a secret the press doesn't want you to know - there are more than two candidates! But please, don't stray off the two-party plantation! It's a scary world out there!
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Bah, typo on my part, I meant just the opposite. Fixed.
I can't say I disagree with any of this. But I think gov't intrusions have their place (though the Fed isn't quite "government" per se). Without question, there needs to be a force capable of injecting liquidity, providing credit, and subtlety and slowly adjusting interest rates only when necessary (unlike the harsh and overly aggressive decline in rates we saw for years this decade). There's got to be a way to do these things, there's got to be a mechanism to spark investment and control inflation. Otherwise you get runs on banks like we saw throughout the 19th century and during the panic of 1907, and sharp and erratic currency fluctuation. The global implications are also far more severe, and every modernized industrial nation has a central bank. I've come to accept it because no superior alternative has proven to work.
cKGunslinger
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How about this? It's not just Congress's job to vote Aye and Nay on bills, but to explain and "sell" them to their constituents.
You seem to have the world's biggest hard-on for this package, but you've yet to be able to explain, in everyday terms, why it was so damn important to ignore any other possible course of action, and to blindly give Paulson anything and everything he asked for within the course of a few days, at taxpayer expense.
You and the Fed/Senate have been like the world's pushiest used-car salesmen. "No! This is a great deal you can't afford to miss! Don't go anywhere else! Don't hesitate! Don't read the fine print! Just sign right now! Hurry! Limited time offer! There's no time to delay! Hurry, hurry, hurry!"
Is it any wonder there's a huge backlash from the public? Almost every single poster here has said, "I realize something need to be done, but.." None of you wannabe-elitist assholes - you in particular - have addressed this perfectly valid concern. Very few are saying, "Let it burn!" Most are simply concerned that there seemed to be absolutely 0 effort in exploring alternatives to simply writing a $700B+ check and patting everyone on the back for a job well done.
You seem to be the IQ-deprived entity here. You've over-simplified the problem into "Durr - Americuns are teh stuoopid becasue there have questions about ram-rodding a trillion dollar bill in a 3-day period." How about you step off your soapbox for a moment and "make the lead of logic" do understand what actual people are actually concerned about?
I don't understand you. What is scary? The third parties haven't a chance in hell. Nobody but nobody is worried about them. Real fear comes when you realize that only one of the two parties will be able to deliver change. You should add your weight to the only one that can. Vote Democratic and liberal. To vote third party or republican is to support cave men.
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