If your life doesn't make you rethink your morals, tenets and other personal beliefs

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If your life doesn't make you rethink your morals, tenets and other personal beliefs... you're not living your life.

The story is long and there is a thread related to this...

but really... you should always be challenged. I can't imagine my ignorance and self assuredness minus this experience.

Watching someone die slowly will change you forever. Most of you on here are very young... and at 38 with no military experience some my age would say I'm young...

But at the end of the day... I'm watching a friend die because he wanted a nice view when he went. Living across from the beach fit his wishes. That was a pretty romantic view of things.

Today he pissed himself and I had to clean it up. He hasn't been coherent for over 24 hours. The end is very near.

As lame as this sounds... I really just need a hug
 

TheVrolok

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At first I was fairly confused with what was going on, but I think I got it now. Sorry bud, spending the last days/moments with a loved one is absolutely a hard thing to do. I'm sure he's glad you're there.
 

Zebo

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I feel you bro and you're more a man than I.. I can't deal with shit like that.
 
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It's funny... everyone is sympathetic but despite everyone involved in all of this all I get is a great big attaboy...

like I'm some kind of fucking hero in this...

I'm not a hero... I'm just the idiot that didnt run away. Fuck you all.
 

Powermoloch

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I'm a caregiver and seen a really good friend of mine die right before my eyes til his very last breath. IT was a life changing experience and I feel for you



/bro-hug


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I got teary eyed because of it...it feels like it's still fresh in mind.
regardless, my good memories of being w/ him will stay me forever and remind me how life can have its ups and downs.

Celebrate life as we know it!
 
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I'm a caregiver and seen a really good friend of mine die right before my eyes til his very last breath. IT was a life changing experience and I feel for you



/bro-hug


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I got teary eyed because of it...it feels like it's still fresh in mind.
regardless, my good memories of being w/ him will stay me forever and remind me how life can have its ups and downs.

Celebrate life as we know it!

Thank you...

and yes I agree... Life is for the living. Right now my biggest fear is the difference between me and trident as the OP.

Sad but true.

I'd rather have Olds or Red tell me I'm a complete pussy...
 

zinfamous

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Jul 12, 2006
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Death is not a comfy thing, and I've seen it myself, very close, very personal, without military experience as well. Too many times, at this age, I think.

I have to say--I think there's a great difference between watching your buddy get plugged or blown to bits right next you--instant kill--compared to the natural progression (be it illness or simply age) in terms of how it effects you. Nothing is pretty about death--and even those who deal with it daily--physicians, simply will not get it until they go through it with a loved one. I can guarantee that. Nothing is more humbling to an oncologist that can't save their brother, their best friend, their son, when a raging pack of cells decides to go gung-ho and wreak havok, despite any know treatment.

and I know what you mean. seriously. it's easy to get mad at us. but wait until the friends that abandoned this burden to you (beat around the bush--you won't--but that's what it is) return after your pal dies. They'll pat you on the back "thanks bro, really wish I could have helped, but...yadadada, seriously, bro, if there's anything I can do)

you want to say FUCK YOIU! But you can't--you won't. probably, you should. But we dare not do these things. We avoid, mostly. It's how most of us cope.

I will say this--do not be astonished by the amount of anger that you feel, that you will feel--that will likely continue with you for the rest of your life. There is anger at those around you, the world, anger against things that you simply have no power over. Nothing will alleviate that. No one understands this. They simply cna't comprehend why a pan of brownies doesn't help, you know?

...but it's not exactly that, either. People WANT to help. they truly do, but in a way, even though they don't appreciate the same pain (I'm assuming this is truly personal), they know they can never do anything, but, as humans...as humanity and community demands it...we must DO SOMETHING. so, we offer to provide dinner. To take care of the kids, do whatever we can, in whatever small increments of time of offerings.

None of it really helps, and those on the outside may never "get" that, or they do--but that won't change the offer. Something must be done, and as humans, we continue to offer.


As much as it pains you, as much as they probably do deserve the ire--you just can't say FUCK OFF! to all of the friends that abandoned you to this.

You might think you know what it feels like when a brother dies way too young, who chose not to put himself into a life that killed and subsequently sought his own death--but one that sought nothing more than to heal and cure--and succeeded--but no one can over know until that actually happens.


so, good luck to you. Hate all you need to. Accept the anger that will come, and don't accept it to be abnormal. Expect that the following year or two will see you acting and thinking in ways that you never thought possible of yourself. But it goes on. Time heals NOTHING. It's complete tripe. Feel free to tell someone to fuck off if they want to tell you that shit.

seriously.

Just let yourself find those happy moments from the life before. Do not dwell on specific dates, and moments. Find the humor in every situation. --that is no lie. Do it, humor, the recognition that we are all, in the end, fleshy gasbags staving off the inevitable non-existence, humoring ourselves until we cease, can truly save you in these moments.

Celebrate the accomplishments, the good times, and just keep on livin'
 

BoomerD

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It's funny... everyone is sympathetic but despite everyone involved in all of this all I get is a great big attaboy...

like I'm some kind of fucking hero in this...

I'm not a hero... I'm just the idiot that didnt run away. Fuck you all.

Sometimes, an attaboy is all you get for doing a good thing. Life's that way. What you're doing for your friend isn't heroic...it's noble. You're making a huge sacrifice to better your friend's last days. No one can really compensate you for it, no one can make it right in any way, all we can do is express our appreciation on your friend's behalf...and wish/hope we have friends half as good as you are when our time comes.

What you're going through...and will be going through is tough on anyone. (sorry, no one said it would be easy) As adults, we might expect to have to clean up piss and shit from our dogs...or our kids, but not from our friends...or later in life, from our parents.

BUT, it comes with the territory. Odds are, this part won't last long...and the memories of this unpleasant part will fade quickly, leaving you with (hopefully) good memories of the days spent with your friend, and of the joy you're providing for him. Enjoy what lucid moments you have together...and try to remember those instead of the "shit detail."

You're a man among men, my friend. There are damned few of us left. :p:thumbsup:
 

moshquerade

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If your life doesn't make you rethink your morals, tenets and other personal beliefs... you're not living your life.

The story is long and there is a thread related to this...

but really... you should always be challenged. I can't imagine my ignorance and self assuredness minus this experience.

Watching someone die slowly will change you forever. Most of you on here are very young... and at 38 with no military experience some my age would say I'm young...

But at the end of the day... I'm watching a friend die because he wanted a nice view when he went. Living across from the beach fit his wishes. That was a pretty romantic view of things.

Today he pissed himself and I had to clean it up. He hasn't been coherent for over 24 hours. The end is very near.

As lame as this sounds... I really just need a hug
{{{{{{big hug}}}}}

Does this guy have no relatives? Where they hell are they? :(
 

yhelothar

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What happened to his catheter? D:
My mom told me some grusome stories at her work while incompetent nurses trying to shove a catheter in there.

At least he's hopped on morphine so it should be easy?

Mad props... [ehug]
 

Fritzo

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Jan 3, 2001
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It's funny... everyone is sympathetic but despite everyone involved in all of this all I get is a great big attaboy...

like I'm some kind of fucking hero in this...

I'm not a hero... I'm just the idiot that didnt run away. Fuck you all.

The definition of a hero pretty much is the one that doesn't run away. You're doing what is right, and many people do not have the courage to do that.

In a world of takers, you are a rare example of a giver. People like you make life better for everyone. Remember that.
 

dud

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OP,

I've been where you are twice in my life ... when I lost my parents. My mother was diagnosed with brain cancer and (thankfully) lived only 3 months and one day past her diagnosis. My father died four years later of so many things I just don't have the space to write it down.

I had a front-row seat to the death of my two most beloved friends. They had done and given me everything ... and a a time when they needed me, I could not save them. The only thing I could do is be there for them ... and clean up their estate afterwards.

OP, prepare yourself. When someone that you love dies ... a part of you dies along with them.

Good luck and at the end of the day remember to be kind to yourself.
 

preCRT

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I wish you strength and comfort, hope you aren't shouldering this alone.






Where are your friend's relatives?
 

skyking

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OP,

I've been where you are twice in my life ... when I lost my parents. My mother was diagnosed with brain cancer and (thankfully) lived only 3 months and one day past her diagnosis. My father died four years later of so many things I just don't have the space to write it down.

I had a front-row seat to the death of my two most beloved friends. They had done and given me everything ... and a a time when they needed me, I could not save them. The only thing I could do is be there for them ... and clean up their estate afterwards.

OP, prepare yourself. When someone that you love dies ... a part of you dies along with them.

Good luck and at the end of the day remember to be kind to yourself.
That's all good, but the part about being kind to yourself is gold. You can yell at me all you want. Try to be gentle with the people around you. It is hard to take things back and it does hurt you too.
I did this a little over a year ago with my mom. Before that it was both my wife's parents.