If you were Israel, When would you Attack Iran ?

[wwswimming]

first to make clear, i do not want Israel to attack Iran.

but they do talk a lot about it. as does the United States.

i believe it was 1981 when Israel bombed Iraq's nuclear facility at Osirak.

a pre-emptive strike, "no nuclear weapons for you, Saddam."

if i was to think like a hawk in the Israeli Pentagon, i would want
that attack on Iran to occur, so it's a "when", not an "if".

OK, so - when ?

i would want it to occur at a time when the Bush Administration
is in office, and has 6-12 months left in office, to help manage the
inevitable blowback from such an attack.

i would want it to occur at a time when the Straits of Hormuz are
peppered with US naval craft. i would want it to occur at a time when
Iran is surrounded by American troops (to the West, in Iraq, and to
the East, in Afghanistan.)

i would want it to occur before the US economy completely crashes.

if I was the US government, i would want that attack to occur before
Iran can set up the oil bourse denominated in currency other than
dollars (that was one of Saddam's mistakes).

Iran's oil bourse is scheduled to start operation tomorrow - Sunday,
Feb. 17.

one other note - the US talks a lot about bringing Democracy to Iran.
well, Iran did once have a democratically elected leader named Mossadegh.

he was deposed in the 1950's by the US and England.

in other words, any American talk about "bringing democracy to Iran" is
mushroom food.

i am concerned that an attack on Iran is imminent.

 

[Lemon law]

Unlike the Iraqi nuclear facility Israel took out in 1981, Iran is a whole different kettle of fish.

a. Learning that 1981 lesson, Iran has buried its nuclear facilities deep underground. Its going to take a very very big conventionally power bunker buster type bombing to even dent them. And for Israel, the extra range makes an Iraqi
type repeat a range problem for its air force. Its even doubtful they can fly there and back even using wing tanks. And the use of wing tanks reduces bomb load in the process. And the USA, must stop Israel from using Iraqi air space or landing rights or in failure to act they have allied them selves with Israel in a pre emtive act of war.

b. Israel would be skating on very thin ice with the international community. They are already on probation over Lebanon, a small raid on Syria they may get away with, but not so with a the huge raid on Iran that would be required.

c. Iran wants the USA to do the heavy lifting for them. GWB&co may want to do it, but the political mood at home
would make it very risky, especially since the UN is mediating the Atomic energy question and would take a dim view of any military action. After all, they stood too idly by when the USA occupied Iraq and want no repeat fiasco's.

d. After giving a set of rational reasons why not, our President is nutso so anything could happen.

 

[HeXploiT]

If the U.S. hadn't been butting in and using Israel for it's own means all this time Israel might have done this long ago with few casualties and that would have been the end of it.

 

[Pabster]

<Perry404> BLAME AMERICA FIRST! </Perry404>

 

[Lemon law]

Don't be absurd Perry, Iran is just too big, too far away, and their facilities are buried too deep for Israel to damage.

 

[Mavtek3100]

Don't we as a country need shitcan's full of money? I mean seriously aren't we hurting? I bet Iran would pay $500 mill for a single 25 megaton ICBM. Sell 100 of those to Iran and that pays for a few months in Iraq! Iran wants nukes, why make them go through the trouble of developing them when we could just sell them the damn things? Hell if we keep pissing off Putin he'll sell Iran the nukes before we can get that money.

That would solve the problem right there. Iran would have the nukes if they want them, we would get some much needed capital, and there would no longer be any threat of Israel attacking Iran, well because they wouldn't possibly be that fucking stupid right?

 

[HeXploiT]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Don't be absurd Perry, Iran is just too big, too far away, and their facilities are buried too deep for Israel to damage.

I'm talking about a couple of years ago and i assure you Israel has a great deal of intelligence on Iran. Please note that this does not necessarily mean I believe Israel should attack Iran. merely that they have been foolish to play into the hand of the United States.

Originally posted by: Pabster
<Perry404> BLAME AMERICA FIRST! </Perry404>

Pabster I somehow doubt that you know anything at all whatsoever about these issues or the middle east or that you could even moderately sustain any form of argument on these points so it might be best for you to just stay silent.

 

[BrownTown]

Originally posted by: Mavtek3100
Don't we as a country need shitcan's full of money? I mean seriously aren't we hurting? I bet Iran would pay $500 mill for a single 25 megaton ICBM. Sell 100 of those to Iran and that pays for a few months in Iraq! Iran wants nukes, why make them go through the trouble of developing them when we could just sell them the damn things? Hell if we keep pissing off Putin he'll sell Iran the nukes before we can get that money.

That would solve the problem right there. Iran would have the nukes if they want them, we would get some much needed capital, and there would no longer be any threat of Israel attacking Iran, well because they wouldn't possibly be that fucking stupid right?

Just as point of fact there are no 24 MT ICBMs, that is more explosive power than even the largest nuclear bomb the USA has ever developed.

 

[StageLeft]

no

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Don't be absurd Perry, Iran is just too big, too far away, and their facilities are buried too deep for Israel to damage.

says our resident middle east expert......rofl

 

[JEDIYoda]

b. Israel would be skating on very thin ice with the international community. They are already on probation over Lebanon, a small raid on Syria they may get away with, but not so with a the huge raid on Iran that would be required.

The above is just an example of lemon Law actually wishing he had a clue about Israel!!
Israel does not care what the international community thinks when it comes to their own national security.

Please pinch yourself and wake up!! -- Thank You!!


hahaa...a nation on probation...rofl...this isn`t the NCAA...lolol

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Mavtek3100
Don't we as a country need shitcan's full of money? I mean seriously aren't we hurting? I bet Iran would pay $500 mill for a single 25 megaton ICBM. Sell 100 of those to Iran and that pays for a few months in Iraq! Iran wants nukes, why make them go through the trouble of developing them when we could just sell them the damn things? Hell if we keep pissing off Putin he'll sell Iran the nukes before we can get that money.

That would solve the problem right there. Iran would have the nukes if they want them, we would get some much needed capital, and there would no longer be any threat of Israel attacking Iran, well because they wouldn't possibly be that fucking stupid right?

On the contrar......your plan was not thought out very well and there are also other nations in that region who do not want Iran to have nuclear weapons.....

What I will tell you is it will be a cold day in hell when the United States turns it`s back on Israel and were to do something that stoopud!!

 

[EagleKeeper]

I am to darn old to get recalled for this headache.

'81 was bad enough - 0230 wakeup call.

 

[Noobtastic]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Don't be absurd Perry, Iran is just too big, too far away, and their facilities are buried too deep for Israel to damage.

Your lack of faith is amusing. Israel will do it whatever it takes, like they've always done..

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Pabster
Perry404 BLAME AMERICA FIRST! /Perry404

Read what he said. Stop being a troll.

Originally posted by: Perry404
If the U.S. hadn't been butting in and using Israel for it's own means all this time Israel might have done this long ago with few casualties and that would have been the end of it.

That is perfectly true, the US and the UN have squelched Israel?s operations by putting restrictions on them. We are the ONLY reason terrorists continue to operate in Palestine and Lebanon today, because WE are protecting them from Israel. It?s sickening and disgusting.

If Israel was given the green light to clear out the Middle East, it would have been able to do so decades ago. Even better if we would have helped them do it.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Pabster
Perry404 BLAME AMERICA FIRST! /Perry404

Read what he said. Stop being a troll.

Originally posted by: Perry404
If the U.S. hadn't been butting in and using Israel for it's own means all this time Israel might have done this long ago with few casualties and that would have been the end of it.

That is perfectly true, the US and the UN have squelched Israel?s operations by putting restrictions on them. We are the ONLY reason terrorists continue to operate in Palestine and Lebanon today, because WE are protecting them from Israel. It?s sickening and disgusting.

If Israel was given the green light to clear out the Middle East, it would have been able to do so decades ago. Even better if we would have helped them do it.

You look at this the wrong way. Instead of wishing for the deaths of millions of innocent Arab children you should be wishing for the deaths of just a few million Jews. Morality is all about the greatest good for the greatest number, no? What kind of clown ARE you?

 

[sandorski]

When they are suicidal enough. Israel may not care what the International thinks, but they should and ignoring that is the road to ruin.

 

[Mavtek3100]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Mavtek3100
Don't we as a country need shitcan's full of money? I mean seriously aren't we hurting? I bet Iran would pay $500 mill for a single 25 megaton ICBM. Sell 100 of those to Iran and that pays for a few months in Iraq! Iran wants nukes, why make them go through the trouble of developing them when we could just sell them the damn things? Hell if we keep pissing off Putin he'll sell Iran the nukes before we can get that money.

That would solve the problem right there. Iran would have the nukes if they want them, we would get some much needed capital, and there would no longer be any threat of Israel attacking Iran, well because they wouldn't possibly be that fucking stupid right?

On the contrar......your plan was not thought out very well and there are also other nations in that region who do not want Iran to have nuclear weapons.....

What I will tell you is it will be a cold day in hell when the United States turns it`s back on Israel and were to do something that stoopud!!

Why do we give a damn what other countries in that region want? If Iran has got the money and they wanna buy some ICBM's more power to them. If the other countries have the money and they wanna buy some we can sell them some too. Oh and why should we give a damn about Israel? What interest do they serve for us? Cheap labor to make crosses? Israel can take care of itself, they have no need of us nor do we of them. Why exactly does helping our economy out by selling useless ICBM's to people who want them hurt Israel? Why is any of that "stoopud"?

 

[ForumMaster]

it would be difficult. iran learned from iraq's mistake and has buried it's nuclear facilities underground like we have. what did interest me, is what i heard on the radio a couple of days ago. link aprrently, kuwait and other gulf nations are considering asking israel, the us and pakistan, for a nuclear umbrella. this is just to show you guys how imminent the danger is.

but is israel going to actually attack iran any time soon? i seriously doubt it. the current administration is still involved in some committee's the are going over the mistakes of the war in lebanon.

Originally posted by: sandorski
When they are suicidal enough. Israel may not care what the International thinks, but they should and ignoring that is the road to ruin.

one of the books i read on Israel's nuclear capabilities, was called "The Sampson Option". the whole world acts like we don't have nuclear weapons. the first bomb that was produced, was inscribed with the words: "Never again".

And still, without America's help or the help of every gulf nation, i doubt we could take out iran by ourself. If iran get's to a point where it has nuclear weapons, i shudder to think what will happen. i fear it may cause another war in the middle east, but this time, instead of the arabs against us, it will be every gulf nation against iran.

so the only question remains, who will strike first?

 

[ericlp]

If you were Israel, When would you Attack Iran ?

No...

But if I were Iran I'd attack Israel for causing all the BS in the middle east....

 

[NoStateofMind]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Don't be absurd Perry, Iran is just too big, too far away, and their facilities are buried too deep for Israel to damage.

says our resident middle east expert......rofl

So says our resident troll....

 

[NoStateofMind]

Well wouldn't that just be convenient. Big bad Iran attacks Israel and Big Brother U.S.A. has to step in and defend the little one by invading Iran.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: ForumMaster
it would be difficult. iran learned from iraq's mistake and has buried it's nuclear facilities underground like we have. what did interest me, is what i heard on the radio a couple of days ago. link aprrently, kuwait and other gulf nations are considering asking israel, the us and pakistan, for a nuclear umbrella. this is just to show you guys how imminent the danger is.

but is israel going to actually attack iran any time soon? i seriously doubt it. the current administration is still involved in some committee's the are going over the mistakes of the war in lebanon.

Originally posted by: sandorski
When they are suicidal enough. Israel may not care what the International thinks, but they should and ignoring that is the road to ruin.

one of the books i read on Israel's nuclear capabilities, was called "The Sampson Option". the whole world acts like we don't have nuclear weapons. the first bomb that was produced, was inscribed with the words: "Never again".

And still, without America's help or the help of every gulf nation, i doubt we could take out iran by ourself. If iran get's to a point where it has nuclear weapons, i shudder to think what will happen. i fear it may cause another war in the middle east, but this time, instead of the arabs against us, it will be every gulf nation against iran.

so the only question remains, who will strike first?

Neither or the most paranoid. Israel has to come to terms with its' situation, it can't use force indefinitely to maintain the superior Military position. Eventually Its' neighbours will grow past them. By entertaining the idea of striking Iran, the need for Iran to have a Nuke is made more apparent.

 

[Aimster]

& what's to stop Iran from attacking Israel's nuclear reactor right back?

 

[Nebor]

As soon as American logistics were in place to support my attack, and the appropriate US made munitions were available to penetrate the Iranian facilities.

I fully support an Israeli attack on Iran.