if you were drafted what would you do?

[DJFuji]

Originally posted by: NuclearNed
I wouldn't like it but I would go. I have lived the good life because of this nation, and if the nation needs me, I figure I am in its debt.

If you're not willing to pay the club dues, you shouldn't get all the normal benefits of the club.

Well said.

Some of you people here disgust me. I guess that's to be expected with so many parents growing up in the vietnam era, though. It irks me that people are so god damned self centered these days. The concepts of honor, duty, country have no meaning to people anymore. Everyone's only out for themselves. What can the government do for ME? What can the military give ME? What the fvck ever happened to the concept of "ask not what your country can do for you...??"

My thinking is that if you live here and reap the benefits of this country, you are obligated to fight for it in times of need, regardless of whether you agree with the conflict or not. If you're a man, that's your duty. Stop being a fvcking pussy about it.

With regard to being gay, they'll ask you for proof. So unless you want to perform a live demonstration, you're probably not going to get away with that one...

And asthma? If medical tests prove that it will intefere with infantry duties, they may put you in a support role. And since women can't be in infantry units anyway, they'll always be in support roles.

 

[konakona]

Been there done that... got discharged in early december of last year. not the US Army tho, mind you...

 

[dripgoss]

Originally posted by: stev0

don't get me wrong, i'm no pvssy. if someone was rasing hell on american soil i would be one of the first on the way down there. In my pickup, confederate flags flying and nooses ready i would personally hang every last one of them.

Dude, where wre YOU on September 11th 2001? They DID bring it to our soil. No matter if you got assigned in Afganistan, Iraq or even Gaza for that matter - they're all terrorists who wish evil on our way of life.

And what, for you draft dodgers, this country's good enough to live in but not to die for? I would fight and die for lady liberty and it sickens me to think of how complacently apathetic my generation has become.

Would you die so your mother, sister, girlfriend, children could be safer? Well folks, that's exactly what drives thousands of our brave soldiers everyday they are away from their friends, family and familiarity. All so you can waterchill your CPU, jerk off, smoke dope and eat pizza all with the hopes of lessening threats of terror reaching into your home when you least expect it and snatching all that you hold dear.

 

[Special1Sauce]

I'd go to war. Really I'd personally go. It would be an honnor to serve my country. And I was planning on going to the millitary after HS to pay for College anyway

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Metalloid
I would go. I for one support what we did in Iraq, but I do feel that we should soon give the government back to the Iraqi people (but the question is... who?). I doubt we will need to impose the draft, but if I did get drafted, I would go serve my country just like everyone else should.

If you don't love the U.S. enough to fight for it, then don't bother waiting until you are drafted to leave.

Fighting for your country is one thing, fighting for a political agernda is another. I for one don't believe that Iraqi freedom was worth one American life. Obviously most Iraqi's didn't feel it was worth their lives either.

 

[Glendor]

I would do my duty to the best of my ability, and make my family proud.

Everything I've done in life (so far) pales in comparison to courage under fire. I chickened out of joining the military after highschool, and college, and now I'm to old for it (just barely though). Police, firemen, EMS, and sometimes doctors experience a form of it, but what about the rest of us? Does making a huge $$$ decision in the boardroom provide the same feeling as charging a pillbox on D-Day to save your buddies who are pinned down and getting hammered to peices? Though I haven't experienced either of those events, I can't help but feel that they aren't even in the same ballpark. What will I tell my children or grandchildren about 'when I was younger'? ..."Did I ever tell you the time I replaced the harddrives on the SAN and got the Exchange server going again..." I had a great uncle who parachuted into France on D-Day and fought all the way into Germany. He received several medals for bravery, and can tell you stories that you want to hear. My flakey friend in Highschool went off to Iraq for Desert Storm and came back a deeper, more thoughful person. War doesn't always destroy a person's charactor.

And that's all I have to say about the draft.

Glendor...

 

[woowoo]

I would smoke a fattie
(I did my six years already)

 

[Mookow]

Originally posted by: Pex
i have flat feet...does that disqualify me? hehe jk

id act crazy by going into the office or whatever and repeating All i want to kill is towel heads....the army doesnt let a loose cannon in their ranks.

No, but they'd send you to the Marine Corps which would welcome you with open arms.

 

[TooOne21]

So many draft dodgers..... Why bother staying in the US if you would not protect it?

Just leave.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: TooOne21
So many draft dodgers..... Why bother staying in the US if you would not protect it?

Just leave.

Protecting it is one thing, being used as canon fodder to advance some Neocon cocksckers agenda of Pax Americana is another

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: TooOne21
So many draft dodgers..... Why bother staying in the US if you would not protect it?

Just leave.

Protecting it is one thing, being used as canon fodder to advance some Neocon cocksckers agenda of Pax Americana is another

Really? Would you have described the war against Germany 1941-1945 the same way? They never attacked us either.

And please define "neo-con." It's literal definition is "new conservative." Quite a few old conservatives support the war as well.

 

[shenaniganz]

I find it amusing how we think we should be able to decide which wars we can and cannot fight in (if drafted). I wish I could decide which taxes I wanted to pay and which I could just "dodge."

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: TooOne21
So many draft dodgers..... Why bother staying in the US if you would not protect it?

Just leave.

Protecting it is one thing, being used as canon fodder to advance some Neocon cocksckers agenda of Pax Americana is another

Really? Would you have described the war against Germany 1941-1945 the same way? They never attacked us either.

No they just declared war on us and were a definate threat

And please define "neo-con." It's literal definition is "new conservative." Quite a few old conservatives support the war as well.

John McCain supports the war but you can bet your ass that if he was President instead of the Dub none of those nefarious Neocons would be in his cabinet and we wouldn't have been misled into invading and occupying Iraq, especially without a viable exit strategy.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: TooOne21
So many draft dodgers..... Why bother staying in the US if you would not protect it?

Just leave.

Protecting it is one thing, being used as canon fodder to advance some Neocon cocksckers agenda of Pax Americana is another

Really? Would you have described the war against Germany 1941-1945 the same way? They never attacked us either.

No they just declared war on us and were a definate threat

And please define "neo-con." It's literal definition is "new conservative." Quite a few old conservatives support the war as well.

John McCain supports the war but you can bet your ass that if he was President instead of the Dub none of those nefarious Neocons would be in his cabinet and we wouldn't have been misled into invading and occupying Iraq, especially without a viable exit strategy.

Nice dodge. Define "Neo-con." What seperates a "new conservative" from an "old conservative?"

As for Germany, they were no where near a direct threat to the US. They couldn't even invade England. They were a threat to our trade with the world, and little else.

As for an exit from Iraq, one is only viable with stability in the country. To say we have no viable exit strategy is bullsh!t.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: TooOne21
So many draft dodgers..... Why bother staying in the US if you would not protect it?

Just leave.

Protecting it is one thing, being used as canon fodder to advance some Neocon cocksckers agenda of Pax Americana is another

Really? Would you have described the war against Germany 1941-1945 the same way? They never attacked us either.

No they just declared war on us and were a definate threat

And please define "neo-con." It's literal definition is "new conservative." Quite a few old conservatives support the war as well.

John McCain supports the war but you can bet your ass that if he was President instead of the Dub none of those nefarious Neocons would be in his cabinet and we wouldn't have been misled into invading and occupying Iraq, especially without a viable exit strategy.

Nice dodge. Define "Neo-con." What seperates a "new conservative" from an "old conservative?"

Actual conservative values such as economic responsibility. As for the Dub's Foriegn Policy it resembles more of the Dems of the 60's than it does the old Conservqatives

As for Germany, they were no where near a direct threat to the US. They couldn't even invade England. They were a threat to our trade with the world, and little else.

That's a pretty major threat which could definately have effected our economy and our security..but you knew that.

As for an exit from Iraq, one is only viable with stability in the country. To say we have no viable exit strategy is bullsh!t.

Maybe I should have said "Workable"

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: TooOne21
So many draft dodgers..... Why bother staying in the US if you would not protect it?

Just leave.

Protecting it is one thing, being used as canon fodder to advance some Neocon cocksckers agenda of Pax Americana is another

Really? Would you have described the war against Germany 1941-1945 the same way? They never attacked us either.

No they just declared war on us and were a definate threat

And please define "neo-con." It's literal definition is "new conservative." Quite a few old conservatives support the war as well.

John McCain supports the war but you can bet your ass that if he was President instead of the Dub none of those nefarious Neocons would be in his cabinet and we wouldn't have been misled into invading and occupying Iraq, especially without a viable exit strategy.

Nice dodge. Define "Neo-con." What seperates a "new conservative" from an "old conservative?"

Actual conservative values such as economic responsibility. As for the Dub's Foriegn Policy it resembles more of the Dems of the 60's than it does the old Conservqatives

As for Germany, they were no where near a direct threat to the US. They couldn't even invade England. They were a threat to our trade with the world, and little else.

That's a pretty major threat which could definately have effected our economy and our security..but you knew that.

As for an exit from Iraq, one is only viable with stability in the country. To say we have no viable exit strategy is bullsh!t.

Maybe I should have said "Workable"

So economic interests ARE worth going to war for? Would that include stability in a region that is a major supplier of the world's oil?

The economy is just fine. There is always a shortfall in revenue when a recession hits. If the economy keeps it's present rate of growth, we'll be back to projected surpluses in no time at all.

An eventual exit from Iraq is highly workable. Right now every two-bit terrorist in the middle east is busy blowing themselves up. That will slow to a trickle that the new Iraqi government will be able to handle by themselves. When that time comes, we'll leave. Leave now and Iraq will be open to the first religious tyrant that comes along and we'll have another Taliban on our hands.

How long did we occupy Germany and Japan after WWII?

 

[Pex]

whats the max age? 24? 25?

 

[dripgoss]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: TooOne21
So many draft dodgers..... Why bother staying in the US if you would not protect it?

Just leave.

Protecting it is one thing, being used as canon fodder to advance some Neocon cocksckers agenda of Pax Americana is another

That's the Misinformation and Michael Moore talking. If you were to be drafted, you don't know where your tour would be - could be Iraq, could be Afgan could be Germany! So are all you lib pussies saying "I'd fight terrorism in Afganistan, but not fight terrorism in Iraq because Osama (who isn't even Afgani) is bad and Iraq has nothing to do with the events of 9/11 (even though we have ample proof that his rep. guards exchanged weapons to Al Queda) AND we haven't found WMD's YET (even though we KNEW Saddam had them in the 90's and failed to prove he destroyed them)?

And for all you who keep regurgitating the PA/Haliburton crap need to get your head outta Al Frankens ass for a minute to realize: Haliburton is an 80 year old company who has gotten rebuild contract's for Hiroshima, Korean War, Vietnam and Gulf War. And given the fact that they are one of the largest contractors able to handle these rebuild tasks, THEY WOULD HAVE WON THE CONTRACT ANYWAY!!!

Oh, and don't even try the "war for oil" angle. I pay almost $3.00 a gallon here in the bay area.

This is the greatest country in the world and you should be willing to die for it if you're willing to reap all of it's rewards.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Amused

So economic interests ARE worth going to war for? Would that include stability in a region that is a major supplier of the world's oil?

The economy is just fine. There is always a shortfall in revenue when a recession hits. If the economy keeps it's present rate of growth, we'll be back to projected surpluses in no time at all.

While the Republicans are spending money like Drunken Sailors (or a Drunken Ted Kennedy)

An eventual exit from Iraq is highly workable. Right now every two-bit terrorist in the middle east is busy blowing themselves up. That will slow to a trickle that the new Iraqi government will be able to handle by themselves. When that time comes, we'll leave. Leave now and Iraq will be open to the first religious tyrant that comes along and we'll have another Taliban on our hands.

I'm not advocating now. We've made a mess there and to pack up and leave would end up just like you said

How long did we occupy Germany and Japan after WWII?

What's that have to do with anything? Anyway, lets get on subject. If you want to discuss the other stuff go over to P&N and lets stop hijacking these threads.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Amused

So economic interests ARE worth going to war for? Would that include stability in a region that is a major supplier of the world's oil?

The economy is just fine. There is always a shortfall in revenue when a recession hits. If the economy keeps it's present rate of growth, we'll be back to projected surpluses in no time at all.

While the Republicans are spending money like Drunken Sailors (or a Drunken Ted Kennedy)

An eventual exit from Iraq is highly workable. Right now every two-bit terrorist in the middle east is busy blowing themselves up. That will slow to a trickle that the new Iraqi government will be able to handle by themselves. When that time comes, we'll leave. Leave now and Iraq will be open to the first religious tyrant that comes along and we'll have another Taliban on our hands.

I'm not advocating now. We've made a mess there and to pack up and leave would end up just like you said

How long did we occupy Germany and Japan after WWII?

What's that have to do with anything? Anyway, lets get on subject. If you want to discuss the other stuff go over to P&N and lets stop hijacking these threads.

Hey, you brought it up.

The rate of spending increases under Bush are not outpacing the average rate of increases under Clinton.

The time we spent in Germany and Japan is highly relevant. Both were completely destroyed and in chaos when we took control and both took years to make an exit from.

Of course occupying a country in the ME is going to be messy. Anyone who claims it shouldn't be is bullsh!tting themselves.

 

[TooOne21]

Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started
this war. They complain about his prosecution of it.
One liberal recently claimed Bush was the worst
president in U.S. history.
Let's clear up one point: We didn't start the war on
terror. Try to remember, it was started by terrorists
BEFORE 9/11.

Let's look at the "worst" president and mismanagement
claims.

FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked
us: Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were
lost, an average of 112,500 per year.

Truman finished that war and started one in Korea,
North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953,
55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,333 per year.


John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in
1962. Vietnam never attacked us.

Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From
1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800
per year.

Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French
consent, Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered
Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times
by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on
multiple occasions.

In the two years since terrorists attacked us,
President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed
the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear
inspectors in Lybia, Iran and North Korea without
firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who
slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. We lost 600
soldiers, an average of 300 a year. Bush did all this
abroad while not allowing another terrorist attack at
home.

Worst president in history? Come on!
The Democrats are complaining about how long the war
is taking, but...
It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet
Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a
51 day operation.

We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons
in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to
find the Rose Law Firm billing records.

It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division
and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard
than it took Teddy Kennedy to call the police after
his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.

It took less time to take Iraq than it took to
count the votes in Florida!!!!

 

[TheVrolok]

If I were drafted? I'd be on my way. Not my personal choice of course, but I wouldn't shirk my responsibility.

 

[nakedfrog]

There's no option for "Ineligible - neener, neener" (ineligible due to age, prior service, missing limbs)

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Metalloid
I would go. I for one support what we did in Iraq, but I do feel that we should soon give the government back to the Iraqi people (but the question is... who?). I doubt we will need to impose the draft, but if I did get drafted, I would go serve my country just like everyone else should.

If you don't love the U.S. enough to fight for it, then don't bother waiting until you are drafted to leave.

Fighting for your country is one thing, fighting for a political agernda is another. I for one don't believe that Iraqi freedom was worth one American life. Obviously most Iraqi's didn't feel it was worth their lives either.

I am with Metalloid. You are still fighting for your country, either way. I would be no better than a sack of shi! if I even attempted to dodge the draft.

This isn't Vietnam. If you would dodge it if it came, why not leave now? Oh wait..you don't want to leave because you like the US? Then serve your country. Fvcking liberals piss me off.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Amused
Hey, you brought it up.

The rate of spending increases under Bush are not outpacing the average rate of increases under Clinton.

The time we spent in Germany and Japan is highly relevant. Both were completely destroyed and in chaos when we took control and both took years to make an exit from.

Of course occupying a country in the ME is going to be messy. Anyone who claims it shouldn't be is bullsh!tting themselves.

Invading Iraq didn't make us safer, in fact it made the world a much more dangerous place. It wasn't part of the war on Terror until the Dub misled us into supporting his ill conceived invasion and occupation.

God Bless our Soldiers over there but they aren't fighting to protect our country as much as they are being used as pawns by the Proponents of Pax Americana. One of the few things that the Dub peomised us that I thought was righteous is when he promised that we wouldn't be the World's Policeman abd get into the business of Nation Building. Oops, lied too by another Politician, what's new?

Frankly I don't fault this kids not wanting to be forced into fighting a war that really has nothing to do with America's security. On the other hand if we needed to conscript soldiers to fight in Afghanistan I would fault them for not protecting their country as we were attacked by those based in that country with the blessings of the Animals that ran that country at the time.