If you were a boss, what type of worker would you prefer

AkumaX

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Worker A)

+ always on time
+ dependable/reliable
+ gets work done decently
- not much of a "go-getter"
- difficulties in expanding skillset/knowledge

Worker B)
+ gets work done fast/efficiently
+ eager to take on new projects and abilities to do so
- late
- leaves early
- not always there/dependable when you need them
- loose cannon type

Just curious :p
 

BoomerD

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The type of worker who knows his job and does it to the best of his ability without a bunch of whining and bitching.

I'm one of those old-fashioned people who think that employees should walk in the door at least a few minutes before they're actually supposed to be there, so they can get ready to work at the appropriate time. You're late once...ok, shit happens...you're late repeatedly...you're gone.
 

sjwaste

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I voted B. I think I have some of those attributes myself, except that I've become much more professional. Whenever I've interviewed people to join my team (I wasnt managing, but my manager always had me interview candidates and have a vote on whether to hire) I looked for those qualities, and was willing to overlook the fact that someone wasn't all that polished or needed a flexible schedule if they actually wanted to take on the difficult stuff and keep learning.

The reality is, a team needs A's and B's, and needs a manager who can tell the difference and manage accordingly. The B's are somewhat rare, and those who have the positives of a B without all the negatives are even more rare, according to the last VP I worked for, so his attitude was to go after them and use those new opportunities they want as an incentive to clean up a little. The A's will learn from the B's, and the B's will learn from the A's, and things will get done. The best teams I've worked on have been a mixture. But if I had to pick a team made up of only one quality, it'd have to be A's. Otherwise deliverables would never be predictable :)

Hell, I never realized that's what he and my immediate manager were trying to do until after it was done, but because of them I go to work better dressed, interact more professionally when I need to, and generally display the qualities that management that doesn't know me personally would mistake for a polished image :) It helped that the both of them are of that similar mold, though, because I had a previous job where the development opportunity just wasn't there because the manager I had was the total opposite.
 

sjwaste

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
The type of worker who knows his job and does it to the best of his ability without a bunch of whining and bitching.

I'm one of those old-fashioned people who think that employees should walk in the door at least a few minutes before they're actually supposed to be there, so they can get ready to work at the appropriate time. You're late once...ok, shit happens...you're late repeatedly...you're gone.

Depends on the position, I guess. I know that I'm not going to be successful in any environment where I'm scheduled to the minute. But for that same reason, I've always been accommodating of others that want to come in flexibly and do their work. Core hours are all that I've asked, and usually that's 10-3. Still gotta work 40 a week, give or take, but I dont need to see someone's ass in a chair consistently at the same time unless they're doing a customer-facing job.
 

Deeko

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It depends a lot on the job in question....

As for worker B, I don't see a problem with someone who leaves a little early or gets there a little late from time to time, assuming they still get their work done. The whole 'not dependable' thing is iffy though, that could mean a lot of things
 
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Guess I'd take A.
I've fired a B before.

Really, I just want someone who does their job correctly and doesn't drive me nuts.
 

GeekDrew

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For flipping burgers, profile A.
For academic research, profile B.
For just about everything else: neither of the above.
 

nageov3t

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A.

I don't mind micromanaging someone or writing out specific instructions if I know they're going to be followed.

we've got a B in my department that's constantly getting on my nerves... he can't seem to accept the fact that there's probably nothing that's going to go on in our noc that I haven't already seen. but instead of asking for help or doing what I tell him, he tries to figure it out on his own, wasting tons of time, before eventually coming around to do what I told him to do in the first place.
 

BoomerD

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To me, it doesn't matter how smart or good candidate B happens to be...if he can't be depended on to be there when you need him, he's wasted baggage.
I'd rather have someone competent at his job and shows up when he's supposed to, that I have to lead by the nose to teach him new things...
 

xSauronx

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
The type of worker who knows his job and does it to the best of his ability without a bunch of whining and bitching.

I'm one of those old-fashioned people who think that employees should walk in the door at least a few minutes before they're actually supposed to be there, so they can get ready to work at the appropriate time. You're late once...ok, shit happens...you're late repeatedly...you're gone.

my dad lets being late go from time to time, but if it happens regularly, he tells the employee they can work for free for the number of minutes they were late, or get packing. usually takes...about once for it to get the point across.
 

Gunslinger08

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I'm B, minus the "not dependable" part. I generally feel that if you get your work done, it doesn't matter when you're at work. I also think a comfortable employee is more efficient, so who cares how you dress or what you say (within reason).
 
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Originally posted by: joshsquall
I'm B, minus the "not dependable" part. I generally feel that if you get your work done, it doesn't matter when you're at work. I also think a comfortable employee is more efficient, so who cares how you dress or what you say (within reason).

It's the "loose canon" and "undependable" part of B that made me fire the guy. Loose canons tend to rub off on everyone else and create a feeling a discontent all around.
 

MovingTarget

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I'm by far a B, minus the "loose cannon" and "dependable" parts. I always had incentive to figure out new things and to push the envelope, but that doesn't sit well with more established companies. I'm of the opinion that if you do your work more efficiently then the time you need to be there should be less unless you are directly involved in a B&M establishment the customer comes to. The A types get promoted to management, but aren't the brightest bulbs in the box. Is it any wonder I'm going into academia? :p
 

Gunslinger08

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Originally posted by: MovingTarget
I'm by far a B, minus the "loose cannon" and "dependable" parts. I always had incentive to figure out new things and to push the envelope, but that doesn't sit well with more established companies. I'm of the opinion that if you do your work more efficiently then the time you need to be there should be less unless you are directly involved in a B&M establishment the customer comes to. The A types get promoted to management, but aren't the brightest bulbs in the box. Is it any wonder I'm going into academia? :p

I definitely agree that Worker A is the type that gets promoted to management. I even agree with it - you need a more level headed "company man" to manage upper management expectations and resources. I do not agree that management should earn significantly more than the workers who are actually making money for the company. Sure, middle management has more "responsibility", but honestly, they aren't the ones who get fired if Worker B screws up. In the end, everyone is only responsible for themselves.
 

FoBoT

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did you know that bad workers think they aren't that bad and good workers don't think they are much better than bad workers?
 

Dirigible

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
To me, it doesn't matter how smart or good candidate B happens to be...if he can't be depended on to be there when you need him, he's wasted baggage.
I'd rather have someone competent at his job and shows up when he's supposed to, that I have to lead by the nose to teach him new things...

QFT. B is fired quicklike. Gotta be dependable or you're out.

A would be fine in some jobs. Some jobs are easy and repetitive and having someone like A I could count on to get 'em done would be great. In other jobs, person A wouldn't be so ideal.
 

ultimatebob

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Considering that I've had the misfortune of having both types of people on my team, I wouldn't want either.

I don't like "A" type workers because they're not willing to take on new types assignments without additional training and hand holding, and I REALLY don't like "B" type because they can't make deadlines and make the entire team look bad.