If you think Gore's so smart and Bush's so dumb...READ THIS!

DirkBelig

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There's been this concerted campaign by the media and liberals to portray W. as being too stupid to be President. I'm curious as to what their basis for this was, other than their general hatred of Republicans.

Anyhoo, I came across this history on the "smartest kid in the class": (Source: Washinton Post, March 19, 2000; "Gore's Grades Belie Image of Studiousness; His School Transcripts Are a Lot Like Bush's,")

"From ninth through twelfth grade at St. Alban's School in Gore earned an equal number of C's and B's in English, but no A's. In history during those four years, he also moved between C's and B's until his senior year, when he broke through with an A-plus in Sacred Studies, a religious history course. He pulled steady C's for all three years of high school French. The one course in which he received straight A's was art, which he took all four years of high school.

What makes Gore's lackluster grades all the more interesting is that he was, by all accounts, a hard worker. He had to apply himself to be mediocre. And he didn't do much better at Harvard, making a C and a C-minus in his first two English courses. In his sophomore year, Gore's grades were lower than any semester recorded on Bush's transcript from Yale. That year, Gore received one D, one C-minus, two C's, two C-pluses, and one B-minus. Gore improved in his junior year and earned a B, a B-minus, and an A-minus in three government courses.

After college and the Army, Gore went to Vanderbilt for graduate work in religious studies. Gore failed to complete any of the three courses he took in the fall of 1971, and those incompletes eventually lapsed into F's. He returned for another semester in the spring of 1972, when two more incompletes turned into F's. At that point, Gore enrolled in Vanderbilt's law school, where his course grades ranged from a high of 81 (in Legal Writing) to a low of 69 (in Civil Procedures). He dropped out in 1976.

If political writers insist on bringing academics into the equation, they should remember this: One candidate (Gore) was an average student at an Ivy League school who later flunked out of graduate school and dropped out of law school. The other candidate (Bush) was an average student at an Ivy League school who later earned a graduate degree (MBA from Harvard) from another Ivy League school (and became a jet pilot, to boot)."


So, Bush may not be all that and a bag of chips, BUT at least he's nowhere as stupid (academically speaking) as y'all (You Commies know who you are!) like to claim. If the media is lying about how smart Gore is, what else are they saying to prop him up that's not true?
 

thebestMAX

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I agree.

Gore has to RE Invent himself every few days.

Bush knows who he is.

If you guys can read a negative into this for Bush and a positive for Gore, Come on!
 

Russ

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Ah, but don't you know? The Washington Post is one of those Right Wing mouthpieces controlled by the evil Republicans. Oh wait, uh oops! They're part of the main stream media!

Russ, NCNE
 

chess9

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DirkBelig:

I wouldn't respond to such a complete bonehead, but you've left your ass sticking up in the air so here's the harpoon.

St.Alban's is not your average public high school. The curriculum is quite difficult, and the teaching staff is very demanding. I have a good friend who went to St. Alban's and he also got B's and C's. He later took a doctorate at B.U. He is one of the smartest guys I know. You could not have gotten into St. Alban's, let alone pass a single class.

Perhaps your argument would have had a modicum of sense IF you had posted Bush's high school grades. If both had gone to St. Alban's at the same time, your argument would have been strengthed even further, but would have still fallen well short of it's intended purpose.

An additional problem with your argument is that people change over the course of 30 years. Those who have been blowing their brain cells out with cocaine and whiskey have probably lost significant portions of their memory and ability to make rational discourse. Bush MAY have been smarter to begin with, but his current inability to distinguish between an African nation and a continent suggests he has slipped considerably. His constant malaprops, sloppy speaking, dropped thoughts in mid-sentence, and obvious inability to form cogent remarks, support that conclusion. The media is harsh on everybody, but they have barely touched Bush on the "stupid" issue. He's been given a pass on this issue because it would make them appear as petty as we know they are.

Frankly, Gore IS now smarter than Bush. But remember, Bush is deep into negative I.Q. numbers, and I'm not altogether certain Gore is over zero.

Nurse, send in the next idiot.
 

PG

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Gore has done his share of drugs as well. Maybe both of them have fried their brains.
 

Russ

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Chess9,

How convenient of you to discuss only the prep school results. I?m also not surprised that you?d toss in unproven allegations of drug abuse to bolster your flagging argument. Nice try, but The Washington Post wins this round.

Nurse, send in the next liberal.

Russ, NCNE
 

ArMs

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I think they're both idiots.
I invented the internet! -Gore
I can't even say sublibninmbibnmimbal. -Bush
I cry for our country.:(
 

chess9

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The Washington Post is very willing to publish the sophomoric dribblings of the right wing. Who wrote the piece in question? Are you trying to convince someone a liberal wrote it? It's not George Will because it doesn't reek of polysyllabic enormities and tortured logic. Provide a link and I'll read the whole thing.

The quoted part, all of it, is completely irrelevant to what is happening now-30 years later. Do you know how to spell non sequitur?
 

JellyBaby

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People can and do change. I personally was a trouble-maker and somewhat of an underachiever until Junior High School where my academic performance improved dramatically and that lasted through college where I graduated with distinction. Still can?t spell worth crap though.

This thread really is meaningless. Everyone realizes neither Shrub or Bore are geniuses. Neither represent the creme de la crem. And it?s possible to become a great leader even without strong educational credentials. I need only point to Jesse Ventura as proof (though I really don?t know how he did in HS).

Bottom line: both Bore and Shrub are competent. They?re just not intellectually gifted and does that really matter in the final analysis? I mean these fellas are figure-heads -- they talk about spending and tax plans, they don't design them. NEXT ISSUE!
 

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Since when did grades become an objective way to measure intelligence?
That's about as bright as judeging the size of somebodys savings account by the car they drive.

Oh well...if you let that play a factor in your voting decision, then I think we have a better way of measuring intelligence.
 

Spoooon

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<< Since when did grades become an objective way to measure intelligence? >>



Very true. You guys remember Einstein? Though, I'll be the last person supporting Gore, I think it's unfair to use anything, neither Gore's tendency to exaggerate;) or Bush's numerous mis-speaks, to characterize either one's intelligence. Let's face it, they are the ones that are running, and they are both fully capable of being president. That may be a sad fact, but it's true. ;)
 

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Not only is it not relevant, the piece was probably a letter to the editor. Notice that almost an hour after I asked for the source, none is forthcoming?
 

chess9

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Not only is it not relevant, the piece was probably a letter to the editor. Notice that almost an hour after I asked for the source, none is forthcoming?
 

chess9

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Not only is it not relevant, the piece was probably a letter to the editor. Notice that almost an hour after I asked for the source, none is forthcoming?
 

chess9

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Not only is it not relevant, the piece was probably a letter to the editor. Notice that almost an hour after I asked for the source, none is forthcoming?
 

jmcoreymv

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If you listened to the debates and you are pretty decent with international affairs and historic facts you would know that Bush does not have a clue what he is talking about, but Gore lies, so its your choice, a liar or a dumb@ss.
 

IronMike

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Here is a few quotes, but there are lots more:

&quot;It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it.&quot;

&quot;I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family.&quot;

&quot;Well, I think if you say you're going to do something and don't do it, that's trustworthiness.&quot;

&quot;We cannot let terrorists and rogue nations hold this nation hostile or hold our allies hostile.&quot;

&quot;The most important job is not to be governor, or first lady in my case.&quot;

--Bushlite (REAL LIGHT!)
 

jmcoreymv

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This reminds me of that really funny snickers commercial:
George W: My dad taught me how to wear pants.
Gore: I invented pants.
 

DirkBelig

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Chess9: Do you keep typing over and over &quot;My diaper's full. MY DIAPER'S FULL!!!&quot;

It was a piece by David Maraniss. I can't get the full article to come up at the Post's site, though.

&quot;You could not have gotten into St. Alban's, let alone pass a single class&quot;

Feel free to attempt to insult my intelligence, but the last time I was tested (1992), I scored 147. I would've done better, but I'd only had two hours sleep the night before and wasn't into it. When I was twelve, I scored 155+ because that was the top of the scale. I also eligible for a scholarship to Detroit Country Day School, an elite prep school.

Got anything else stupid to say, bozo?

I wasn't saying that grades were the be all and end all, just that Gore's been walking around being hailed as the &quot;Smartest Kid In The Class&quot;, when he's not.
 

jmcoreymv

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BirkBelig: This is not directed at you or anyone in particular, but it does seem kinda awkward that everyone on this board is an intellectual genius and scholar, dont you think?
 

DirkBelig

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Link to full story I quoted.

Ever notice how many people can't rise above mangling handles, like that's the most clever thing in the world? (&quot;Ooooo...I called him Dirk/Dork/Birk...hehehehehheheheh...I be liek kewl!)

For the incredible dense playa haters: I DIDN'T say Gore was stupid, just that he ain't be so....uh...like un-dumb. Errr....
 

cfredc

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Well Dirk, if you think about it, the class is made up of two dimwits, and Gore is probably the smarter one. Bush probably screwed up his head during those unexplained blackouts in his illustrious life as daddy's wannabe clone.