If you stated here that you never get the flu vaccine, would you do the same for the COVID19 vaccine?

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Will you get the COVID19 vaccine?

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RPD

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Yeah, it's worse compared to the efficacy of other vaccines. But those vaccines don't have to contend with diseases that are constantly mutating and sending new strains around the globe. Anyway, last time I checked, 40-60% risk reduction is a hell of a lot more than 0% risk reduction with no vaccine.
Things I've all already stated. Can it help, sure. Is it critical? Not so much.
 

EliteRetard

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Its about people that have compromised immune systems.
*snip*

I currently live with 3 other people, one of whom has Addison's disease.
Because of improper treatment this person has a lot of secondary issues and they are highly vulnerable to illness.

Even with the other two people here who got COVID19, this person with Addison's is just fine.
And that's because all of us here are intelligent decent human beings (and we don't bother with petty vaccines).
I even helped them go out and run errands today, so they didn't need to directly interact with anything dangerous.

I've also cared for 3 others with serious injuries/health issues (years of my life) and never got any of them ill.
For months I even worked on an IV shunt directly into someones heart (osteomyelitis developed after severing a limb).

Take an "ordinary" person and give them a "vaccine" and tell them to go live with somebody immunocompromised.
In no short order I'm sure they'll spread lots of filth and disease because they were "vaccinated" so "it's fine".

I got no problem getting treatment or vaccines for things that are actually serious/dangerous.
All this insane hysteria over such petty things, and people can't even be bothered to follow basic health and safety.
All the massive drugs taken for such weak common diseases just makes for weak people and strong diseases.
 

EliteRetard

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Your housemates were among the tiny number who have actually been tested for COVID19? Really? Seems unlikely.

I suggest you volunteer to work in a hospital in Lombardy, seeing as you have such a tough-guy immune system.

(You're a deliberately created parody account, aren't you? The content, though not the presentation, of your posts is very reminiscent of a certain national leader)

I live in Washington, where the first US case/s (and fatalities) were discovered, and the disease was here for weeks before the first reported death.

Without sharing to much personal information, the 2 work for well recognized technology related companies who also get tons of foreign traffic.
They didn't know they had COVID19 at the time of their illness, but between the news, what I saw, and what they said to me I am certain they had it.
Obviously I didn't test them myself, and I wasn't there when they were. I don't care to prove it any further than that.
 

EliteRetard

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*snip*

Elderly / frail people will get infected and die because young healthy people became carriers by listening to your bullshit.

Nope.

They get infected because incompetent people insist on spreading filth and disease.
That's 100% unrelated to any drug or vaccine.
 

EliteRetard

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Just to re-interate: VACCINES *DO NOT* CAUSE THE DEVELOPMENT OF RESISTANT BACTERIA. THIS IDEA IS A DANGEROUS MISCONCEPTION.
Excessive use of antibiotics does, and should be avoided, as it selectively allows antibiotic resistant strains to multiply.

Yes.

I hope none of my posts here implied such a thing.
Because of this post and the other reactions so far, it seems that might be how it was taken.

I will clarify what I did say:

Taking tons of (anti-bacterial) drugs and using "anti-bacterial" everything (soaps/cleaners/toothpaste/wipes etc) encourages the development of drug resistant bacteria (diseases). People who take lots of drugs and/or vaccines but are otherwise entirely incompetent about basic health and safety, or those who get complacent because of a drug/vaccine are the people who do in fact spread the vast majority of filth/disease (even if it's not the disease they got drugs/vaccines for).
 

EliteRetard

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The bold is all mine. The wrongheadedness is all his. Please ignore him for he knows nothing.

Hmmm, I don't know how I can capture everything in this reply...but anyway I see only one thing that I did post incorrectly.

I admit I should not have said that vaccines will spread the disease and make it worse.
I honestly didn't realize I had made such a statement, until you quoted it.
I think I'll go back and edit that one out, but I'm not hiding from it.

I am correct in stating the overuse of anti-bacterial everything strongly encourages the development of drug resistant bacteria (disease).

I am correct in stating the facts about what I have seen. It's a statement about my personal observations and can't be refuted.
Same with the next fact, I don't take anything for common illnesses and thus it is my immune system that keeps me healthy.

The next one is my opinion, I think most people should rely on their immune systems for the common weak diseases.
The massive abuse of drugs and reliance on vaccines makes for lots of people with weak immune systems.
It also makes for people who don't even know basic health/safety and/or are complacent about it.

Related to the one above, vaccines do not prevent the transmission of disease.
And the last is also the same as above.

Edit: For grammar
 
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I don't know that many people would disagree that overuse of anti-biotics and anti-bacterial cleaning products (other than normal soap, I guess) is a bad thing. Most doctors, in my experience, are very reluctant to prescribe anti-biotics for that reason. I don't think I've had any for decades. That part of your comments I think is uncontroversial.

But I don't see how that relates to the issue of vaccines. In particular, where is the evidence that 'reliance on vaccines makes for lots of people with weak immune systems'? That seems a novel theory - what's the basis for it? What's the suggested mechanism and where's the empirical evidence?
 

EliteRetard

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People with compromised immune systems can't get vaccines, because of their compromised immune systems, dumbass. Holy shit you are ridiculously stupid about this stuff.

This statement is not entirely true.

I currently live with and have lived with others who have a weak immune system.
They do in fact take vaccines, and for them that is a good thing.

From what I see it's always the young, old, and those with weak immune systems they directly target for vaccines.
 

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Also, to claim that 'vaccines do not prevent the transmission of disease' you would have to explain why smallpox is no longer transmitted. If it wasn't the mass adoption of vaccinations that accomplished that, what did?
 

EliteRetard

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I don't know that many people would disagree that overuse of anti-biotics and anti-bacterial cleaning products (other than normal soap, I guess) is a bad thing. Most doctors, in my experience, are very reluctant to prescribe anti-biotics for that reason. I don't think I've had any for decades. That part of your comments I think is uncontroversial.

But I don't see how that relates to the issue of vaccines. In particular, where is the evidence that 'reliance on vaccines makes for lots of people with weak immune systems'? That seems a novel theory - what's the basis for it? What's the suggested mechanism and where's the empirical evidence?

Here's an analogy:

Fire.

Everybody thinks wild fire is some terrible thing and do whatever they can to prevent it.
This allows massive accumulation of underbrush, dead/dry buildup etc.

Then if a fire does start it becomes a massive uncontrollable inferno that wipes out species and portions of continents.

A little common sense, and proper care of the natural order of things would prevent such massive disasters.
Even if that means a large increase in tiny problems that are easily and well controlled.
 

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Lifer
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Here's an analogy:

Fire.

Everybody thinks wild fire is some terrible thing and do whatever they can to prevent it.
This allows massive accumulation of underbrush, dead/dry buildup etc.

Then if a fire does start it becomes a massive uncontrollable inferno that wipes out species and portions of continents.

A little common sense, and proper care of the natural order of things would prevent such massive disasters.
Even if that means a large increase in tiny problems that are easily and well controlled.

Such a vague analogy doesn't really constitute an argument. It sounds more like mysticism than science.

Again, I think what you say about bacteria is perfectly reasonable, but you seem to have dubiously extended the argument by a dubious analogy to vaccines and viruses. Vaccines, after all, depend on your immune system for their effectiveness.
 

RPD

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Here's an analogy:

Fire.

Everybody thinks wild fire is some terrible thing and do whatever they can to prevent it.
This allows massive accumulation of underbrush, dead/dry buildup etc.

Then if a fire does start it becomes a massive uncontrollable inferno that wipes out species and portions of continents.

A little common sense, and proper care of the natural order of things would prevent such massive disasters.
Even if that means a large increase in tiny problems that are easily and well controlled.
Do... do you understand how vaccines work?
 

Ichinisan

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Nope.

They get infected because incompetent people insist on spreading filth and disease.
That's 100% unrelated to any drug or vaccine.
Unforgivable ignorance, coming from the guy who eats from dumpsters while living with an immune-compromised person.
 

CZroe

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Nope.

They get infected because incompetent people insist on spreading filth and disease.
That's 100% unrelated to any drug or vaccine.
You are the one spreading filth/disease.

It's unconscionable that you live or work with someone who is particularly vulnerable and refuse to take vaccines even when it's this serious. You are the perfect example of a delusional person who thinks he has a strong immune system just because he never gets sick. The problem with that logic is that the people who get sick are the ones with the strong immune systems because that is what causes the symptoms.


You are an asymptomatic carrier who wrongly believes his lack of hygiene is the reason he doesn't get sick and that others should follow suit for the same benefit. It seems reasonable to you just because you think your behavior strengthened your immune system when you have the cause and effect totally backwards. Most people stop doing things that make them sick. Since you don't get sick you assume it's a case of "what doesn't kill me makes me stronger" and assume other people can emulate it. This is not true. You are simply an asymptomatic carrier due to an immune system that doesn't strongly react (IOW: the opposite of "strong"). What's even worse is that you double-down on this and eat from the trash since you don't believe you are exposing others who actually will get sick.

You are hurting other people with your demonstrably false assumptions and confirmation bias. This is a dangerous level of misnformation almost as bad and the HIV-Positive people raping babies in Africa because they heard that sex with a virgin "cures AIDS."

DON'T BE IGNORANT.
 
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CZroe

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Already been exposed to COVID19, it had no effect on me.
Two of my house mates did get symptoms, mostly dry cough for a few weeks.

I'm one of those people that doesn't get vaccines for petty common diseases.
I'm also the only person I know that doesn't get sick, not even a runny nose or cough.
Again:

You could be a HUGE reason things are so bad in Washington right now.
 
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This statement is not entirely true.

I currently live with and have lived with others who have a weak immune system.
They do in fact take vaccines, and for them that is a good thing.

From what I see it's always the young, old, and those with weak immune systems they directly target for vaccines.

You're right, it isn't entirely true. But its more true than whatever assertions you seem to be making. There's certain diseases that also wipe out your immunity memory (I don't recall which one, but there's a fairly common disease that's almost been eradicated thanks to vaccines but has seen a rise in the past decade due to anti-vaccination ignorance like the kind you've been posting, that's been found to do this, which getting the vaccine prevents from happening).

You really do not understand vaccines, like at all. They target the youngest ages possible for vaccines because that's where the greatest benefits come from (the earlier you are vaccinated, the better it prevents you from getting the disease and the greater chance you'll live long enough to get old from not getting that disease, and the less you'll spread it as you get older). And they put emphasis on vaccines for people that need to limit the amount they get sick because, well fucking duh. But that's also why they rely on normal people getting vaccines, as it helps reduce the general transmission of the disease, which is the best defense for immune compromised persons.

Stopping diseases spreading is literally one of the points of vaccines, where if you get enough people vaccinated it stops that disease from being able to spread or even just carried, which helps prevent it from mutating. You know that, thanks to vaccines, we've literally eradicated some diseases entirely, right? That means its not around to spread and mutate.

Snip snips snip snips snip

Take an "ordinary" person and give them a "vaccine" and tell them to go live with somebody immunocompromised.
In no short order I'm sure they'll spread lots of filth and disease because they were "vaccinated" so "it's fine".

I got no problem getting treatment or vaccines for things that are actually serious/dangerous.
All this insane hysteria over such petty things, and people can't even be bothered to follow basic health and safety.
All the massive drugs taken for such weak common diseases just makes for weak people and strong diseases.

What? That you think somehow someone that got a vaccine will be more likely to spread disease than a non-vaccinated person tells me that you literally do not know the simplest most basic facts about vaccines, or apparently disease.

Petty things? Yeah, petty stuff that's literally killed millions of people. Just petty little things. What the fuck is wrong with you?
Massive drugs? What the fuck are you talking about? Do you know what a vaccine even is? You seem to be conflating antibiotics (and the overuse of) and antibiotic resistance with vaccines? Or something? I don't really know as you're making very little sense and are instead spouting a whole heaping filthy load of metaphorical shit. Honestly, I get the impression you smear shit all over yourself and think that's making you some superhuman immune to disease. Look up Typhoid Mary for why mentalities like yours is incredibly harmful.

Meanwhile, I bet you've spread disease to all of the people you're supposedly taking care of. Based on your posts I can almost even guarantee that you've made them sicker than they might have otherwise been. But because of your own ignorance you somehow think that because you I guess never get extended illness (which I all but guarantee you do, again, based on the ignorance apparent in your posts, you don't seem to even know the most basic facts about diseases, immune systems, vaccines, etc) that somehow that means you didn't make anyone sick. Which is blatantly wrong.
 
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A flu season every year is driven in part by people not getting vaccinated. Some years, it doesn't quite match either, but many years, it is a good match for circulating strains.

The logic people use to avoid influenza vaccines is totally beyond me, as it makes no sense

The worst part is they start using that logic on vaccines in general.