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If you needed surgery...

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Would you allow interns to work on you?

For me I guess it depends. If it's some crazy procedure that's tough, probably not (like crazy brain surgery).

Anything moderate to easy would probably be ok. But I recognize that people need to learn and that is how the world of medicine works in the western world. Interns and residents need to learn too, and the only way they can do it is by working on you. While I'd much rather have the more experienced doctor work on me, I respect the system and in most cases would probably allow interns to do whatever they are told to/need to do according to their attending.

Even if it's some crazy difficult procedure, I think I would trust in most cases the attending would limit what the interns get to do in those scenarios.
 

gaidensensei

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What kind of intern? Are we talking like bachelor's or master's level?
masters interns would be less likely to mess up, but still a good chance.

I'd only prefer interns if it's a minor surgery process like something that involves stitches, or assisting the surgeon instead of botching up an important anatomical organ.
 

Gooberlx2

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What kind of intern? Are we talking like bachelor's or master's level?
masters interns would be less likely to mess up, but still a good chance.

I'm pretty sure a medical intern actually has their MD. The internship is often the first year of a residency.
 

BoomerD

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Meh...I dunno. I watch Gray's Anatomy...I've seen those interns fuck up a bunch of times...:p
 

gevorg

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Absolutely no. Go train on corpses and third-world suckers. I need a real doctor.
 

brainhulk

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i had a resident try to take off some weird stitching on my foot after I had my nail removed. First she was like, hmmm I've never seen this king of suture before. So she starts pulling here...there...everywhere...I was seriously thinking about bolting. She gave up and had her attending do it.

If you are going to a teaching/county hospital. Scut monkeys will be abound. Be particularly wary in the summer when the new ones come in
 

Mr. Pedantic

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Absolutely. But then, I'll be one of those interns in a few years. But I would trust most of my classmates with my life.

Absolutely no. Go train on corpses and third-world suckers. I need a real doctor.
By this logic apprentice builders should go work on houses in the third world, and so should apprentice plumbers, electricians, accountants, and engineers?
 

illusion88

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By this logic apprentice builders should go work on houses in the third world, and so should apprentice plumbers, electricians, accountants, and engineers?

I'm not sure when a plumber and accountants perform life threatening procedures. You could argue with an electrician and engineer (civil engineer designing a bridge... ), but it's a pretty weak argument at best.

I always thought that medical interns aren't going to be performing "like crazy brain surgery" alone. They will assist and watch those procedures before given the knife?
 

rcpratt

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My doctor had to reassure me about fifteen times that the resident wouldn't be touching me during my cornea transplant.
 

TridenT

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I would prefer seasoned professionals to do it. I would not like to be the first of some surgery done.
 
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There is always an attending surgeon in a surgery. In fact in any medical situation where a resident takes care of you, it is overseen and signed off on by an attending.
 

ichy

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Lots of ignorance about how medical education works. Patients in teaching hospitals have better outcomes in general, because two hands/eyes are better than one. Residents don't operate on their own, they always have an attending there with them.

If you don't want residents involved in your care then go to a non-teaching hospital. Going to a teaching institution and screwing with their regular workflow is an excellent way to get sub-par care.
 

guyver01

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Hell No.

What if the intern was their version of TridenT ????

You would go in for a hang nail... and end up missing a kidney.
 

brainhulk

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There is always an attending surgeon in a surgery. In fact in any medical situation where a resident takes care of you, it is overseen and signed off on by an attending.

except at night when residents take turns being on call. then they take turns getting yelled at by the attending in the morning during rounds
 

Red Squirrel

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Usually a professional will be walking the intern through so it's still safe. I had minor surgery done a couple years back by this really hot student and the seasoned doctor was walking her through.
 

rcpratt

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Lots of ignorance about how medical education works. Patients in teaching hospitals have better outcomes in general, because two hands/eyes are better than one. Residents don't operate on their own, they always have an attending there with them.

If you don't want residents involved in your care then go to a non-teaching hospital. Going to a teaching institution and screwing with their regular workflow is an excellent way to get sub-par care.
That's cute and all, but I picked my surgeon because he was one of the most experienced and successful cornea surgeons in the country, not because he had good residents. If you're willing to take that risk with your eye when a difference of a few microns could drastically change the result, go for it.

He said he never lets the residents do anything but tie off the final suture anyways.
 

Meghan54

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There is always an attending surgeon in a surgery. In fact in any medical situation where a resident takes care of you, it is overseen and signed off on by an attending.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

Oh, you of little knowledge........guess living in a world of idealism is great. Just never go to a hospital.


And sorry for the laughter, but it comes from working for over a few decades as a CCRN in more than a few teaching hospitals in their ICUs....surgical mostly, but also medical, burn units, neonatal ICU, etc.

And if you think this is restricted to teaching hospitals, search ghost surgery....a phenomenon by which your "attending" surgeon sees you up to the point where you're snowed for surgery and then a "substitute" surgeon actually does the surgery while your attending is off playing golf.
 
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