If you have ever used TOR or have read Boing Boing online, NSA targets you long term

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Zorkorist

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Your loss of Freedom is directly correlated to the United States Debt.

-John
 

Zorkorist

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I just googled U.S. Debt for shits and giggles, and

"U.S. debt jumped more than $300 billion Thursday, the first day the federal government was able to borrow money under the deal President Obama and Congress sealed last week. Debt now equals $17.075 trillion, according to figures posted online by the Treasury Department on Friday."

Yeah baby... these are the fucks I want governing my life.

-John
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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Kind of funny watching people rage over information they barely have a glance at and don't really have any understanding of. A large chunk of which may or may not be true.
 

OCGuy

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Which is how silk road was shut down....

Nope.

The DPR who was caught in a coffee shop used his real identity/email in a forum similar to Erowid when he was discussing something like the Silk Road years and years ago.

Then he was dumb and publically discussed hiring hitmen, etc. Even if joking, it wasn't TOR that failed him..
 

Zodiark1593

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Just a 'heads up.'

Kyle Rankin has an interesting article at Linux Journal. In it he links to some rule definitions that the NSA uses for their targeting. If you have ever visited the Linux Journal web site form, you have been targeted by the NSA as a user of an "extremist forum."

Uno
Those computer users that do know the ins and outs of OSs, programming, security, etc do have the potential to cause extensive damage. This is due to the nature of the PC as an Open Platform. Users can program what they want, connect from where they want, commune with who they want, and with sufficient know-how, exploit and take what they want from a location outside immediate intervention by authorities. The only limit being intellect, PC's are an incredibly powerful tool. As much as I oppose such actions, it comes as no surprise whatsoever the government would want to keep tabs on anyone with extensive computer knowledge, regardless of whether actual crimes are committed.
 

unokitty

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Those computer users that do know the ins and outs of OSs, programming, security, etc do have the potential to cause extensive damage. ....

Three points
1. Classifying anyone that browses the forums at Linux Journal as a person that has "the potential to cause extensive damage" is laughable.

2. The government has already demonstrated that they can't even successfully monitor the people that they give their own security clearances to... Nor did they prevent the massive releases of classified information. Snowden? Manning?

3. Any information that the government stores can be compromised and/or misused.

You are welcome to feel more secure but the fact of that this type of data collection just creates more vulnerabilities and makes us all less secure.

Uno
 
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Nebor

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The NSA has repeatedly been shown to be decades ahead of anyone else in the realm of cybersecurity & hacking. They have an unlimited classified budget to hire the best of the best. They can buy off or intimidate with force every ISP, security company, hardware manufacturer and software developer. The people attempting to outmaneuver them are at the best, criminals, but more typically casual, hobbyist hackers or wannabe revolutionaries.

If you think any of your electronic communication isn't accessible by the NSA, odds are you're wrong.
 

Nebor

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Nope.

The DPR who was caught in a coffee shop used his real identity/email in a forum similar to Erowid when he was discussing something like the Silk Road years and years ago.

Then he was dumb and publically discussed hiring hitmen, etc. Even if joking, it wasn't TOR that failed him..

As if the government would acknowledge their infiltration of TOR in order to shut down a minor criminal enterprise like the Silk Road.
 

Zodiark1593

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Three points
1. Classifying anyone that browses the forums at Linux Journal as a person that has "the potential to cause extensive damage" is laughable.
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2. The government has already demonstrated that they can't even successfully monitor the people that they give their own security clearances to... Nor did they prevent the massive releases of classified information. Snowden? Manning?

3. Any information that the government stores can be compromised and/or misused.

You are welcome to feel more secure but the fact of that this type of data collection just creates more vulnerabilities and makes us all less secure.

Uno
I don't think I ever said anything about it being good the government spies on us, quite the contrary actually. I merely proposed a possible rationale of these spying measures our endearing (sarcasm) overlords have put into place.

Now, to answer your other point, as laughable as it seems for government to track visitors of certain websites (those that Linux users frequent?), from their perspective (speculation alert), the percentage of advanced PC users is much greater and cuts down on the amount of data needing to be processed vs capturing all data ever sent nationwide. I doubt even the government has endless compute and storage capabilities.
 
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unokitty

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I don't think I ever said anything about it being good the government spies on us, quite the contrary actually. I merely proposed a possible rationale of these spying measures our endearing (sarcasm) overlords have put into place.

Oops! Missed the sarcasm.

Sorry.

Uno
 

Jeff7

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LOL, America.

It's going to be interesting watching this place slide into historical obscurity. Let's just hope we go out with a whimper instead of a bang, the latter could be ugly.
At least the NSA computers will have a record of what things were like.
 

zanejohnson

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i know what i'm capable of with a computer :)


they should watch that kind of stuff....

they should definitely want people with that skillset as an ally.... i'm an ally....


most people with that skillset are big into the whole....not leaving a trail thing..

mostly white collar financial crimes/credit card/fraud/cracking pharmacy refill systems... that sort of such... stuff that allows you to turn a little bit of infrastructure knowledge into tangible material and/or monies..............but funny monies made to look like real monies is hard... that's the double edged sword.... so you have unlimited amount of cloned cards you can use... now what stupid?
 

alzan

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Not for long.... Might want to start hiding a bottle of lube on you for when they come get you.

Unfortunately the only place I can hide it would be discovered upon the full body cavity search.
 

Stewox

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NSA targets pretty much everyone.

1. Those that talk about “individual liberties”

2. Those that advocate for states’ rights

3. Those that want “to make the world a better place”

4. “The colonists who sought to free themselves from British rule”

5. Those that are interested in “defeating the Communists”

6. Those that believe “that the interests of one’s own nation are separate from the interests of other nations or the common interest of all nations”

7. Anyone that holds a “political ideology that considers the state to be unnecessary, harmful,or undesirable”

8. Anyone that possesses an “intolerance toward other religions”

9. Those that “take action to fight against the exploitation of the environment and/or animals”

10. “Anti-Gay”

11. “Anti-Immigrant”

12. “Anti-Muslim”

13. “The Patriot Movement”

14. “Opposition to equal rights for gays and lesbians”

15. Members of the Family Research Council

16. Members of the American Family Association

17. Those that believe that Mexico, Canada and the United States “are secretly planning to merge into a European Union-like entity that will be known as the ‘North American Union’”

18. Members of the American Border Patrol/American Patrol

19. Members of the Federation for American Immigration Reform

20. Members of the Tennessee Freedom Coalition

21. Members of the Christian Action Network

22. Anyone that is “opposed to the New World Order”

23. Anyone that is engaged in “conspiracy theorizing”

24. Anyone that is opposed to Agenda 21

25. Anyone that is concerned about FEMA camps

26. Anyone that “fears impending gun control or weapons confiscations”

27. The militia movement

28. The sovereign citizen movement

29. Those that “don’t think they should have to pay taxes”

30. Anyone that “complains about bias”

31. Anyone that “believes in government conspiracies to the point of paranoia”

32. Anyone that “is frustrated with mainstream ideologies”

33. Anyone that “visits extremist websites/blogs”

34. Anyone that “establishes website/blog to display extremist views”

35. Anyone that “attends rallies for extremist causes”

36. Anyone that “exhibits extreme religious intolerance”

37. Anyone that “is personally connected with a grievance”

38. Anyone that “suddenly acquires weapons”

39. Anyone that “organizes protests inspired by extremist ideology”

40. “Militia or unorganized militia”

41. “General right-wing extremist”

42. Citizens that have “bumper stickers” that are patriotic or anti-U.N.

43. Those that refer to an “Army of God”

44. Those that are “fiercely nationalistic (as opposed to universal and international in orientation)”

45. Those that are “anti-global”

46. Those that are “suspicious of centralized federal authority”

47. Those that are “reverent of individual liberty”

48. Those that “believe in conspiracy theories”

49. Those that have “a belief that one’s personal and/or national ‘way of life’ is under attack”

50. Those that possess “a belief in the need to be prepared for an attack either by participating in paramilitary preparations and training or survivalism”

51. Those that would “impose strict religious tenets or laws on society (fundamentalists)”

52. Those that would “insert religion into the political sphere”

53. Anyone that would “seek to politicize religion”

54. Those that have “supported political movements for autonomy”

55. Anyone that is “anti-abortion”

56. Anyone that is “anti-Catholic”

57. Anyone that is “anti-nuclear”

58. “Rightwing extremists”

59. “Returning veterans”

60. Those concerned about “illegal immigration”

61. Those that “believe in the right to bear arms”

62. Anyone that is engaged in “ammunition stockpiling”

63. Anyone that exhibits “fear of Communist regimes”

64. “Anti-abortion activists”

65. Those that are against illegal immigration

66. Those that talk about “the New World Order” in a “derogatory” manner

67. Those that have a negative view of the United Nations

68. Those that are opposed “to the collection of federal income taxes”

69. Those that supported former presidential candidates Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin and Bob Barr

70. Those that display the Gadsden Flag (“Don’t Tread On Me”)

71. Those that believe in “end times” prophecies :biggrin:

72. Evangelical Christians


Which is totally unsurprising. That's what the devil does. That document is for the lower levels, so that's why they put in the words like "paranoia" to make the contractor agents think they're on the good side.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygZb0L_aQ6k


There you go, in defiance of the new world order:
http://youtu.be/k3TPeijF9Jc?t=21m50s
gadsden-flag.png

Victory or Death!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD61YFxUga4
 
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