If you have a 8800GT and you were to upgrade today.. the only reasonable choice would be the ATI 4870?

[Obsoleet]

What are all of you 8800GT owners out there doing?

I don't know if I'm going to make any moves yet, but if I were to.. I'd want a faster card (any degree of faster is fine, my current GT is fast enough for me) and I would want DX10.1.

ATI is the only one who has DX10.1 and though there are many arguments out there as to why we "don't need it" (the usual spin when one company doesn't meet standards).. the fact is if it's a small, easy thing to add to a chip Nvidia would. But they didn't and don't have it.
So that's that.
If we don't need it, the standard wouldn't exist and Nvidia would never implement it until the end of time. But they will implement it when it's cost effective to do so.

Until then, ATI wins by default because they have it and are pretty fast for $200.

Looking forward to poll results though.

 

[BassBomb]

I bought my card at end of December, there is nothing I can't play on high at 1680x1050 so why would I bother? It would be a loss for minimal improvement.

 

[Piuc2020]

The whole DX10.1 issue seems to be a little like the discussions 6 series owners had against X800 series owners had back in 2004. Time proved all the X800 series owners... NVIDIA was right to add SM3.0 support.

Of course, SM3.0 was a big leap over SM2.0, DX10.1 is (according to newsposts) actually just a triviality.

I wouldn't upgrade to a 4850, not enough performance difference, I'd SLI another 8800GT or buy CF 4850s but a single 4850 seems more like a sidestep than an upgrade.

 

[TC91]

I would stay with the card tbh, not like there are many new must play games coming out this year. No real dx10.1 games out, well AC had it but i dunno if it counts since ubisoft removed it. If you sell your card for a decent amt then maybe. I felt this exact same way with my 8800 gts 320mb when the 8800gt / 3870 came out.

Maybe try pushing your 8800gt furhter with overclocking, or maybe pencil vmod it if you are at its oc limits atm, and if it dies, then you have an excuse to get a new card XD.

 

[Obsoleet]

Isn't Assassins Creed 10.1?

 

[Obsoleet]

I've seen enough "we don't have feature X but they do, but you don't need it anyway and they'll be too slow when featureX is useful anyway so.." that 100% of the time the company (and people that agree with them) that says you "don't need it" are always wrong.

There's no need to deny that ATI has an advantage with full DX10.1 support. How big of an advantage is debatable but it is there. Nvidia does not have it period.
My point is that if it's "so trivial" then why didn't they tack it on the GTX series? Oh wait.. it's not quite THAT trivial! And it it was so trivial that one can mock it's insignificance, then Nvidia will never need to implement it ever. Yet they will.

So yeah, for me the only real choice is ATI. I'm not partial to brands though and will jump on whatever bandwagon that exists today with my money instead of getting the dumb buy.

 

[Munky]

I'd get a 4870 if I was buying a new card. But for now a 8800gt runs all my games just fine.

 

[DaveSimmons]

This part is correct:

if it's a small, easy thing to add to a chip Nvidia would.

The rest is pure speculation. MS comes up with bad standards all of the time, any particular standard needs to prove itself useful before you can objectively say that it is "needed."

I've been through at least a half-dozen changes to the MS database stack, .NET changes, many failed web /server initiatives, the PlaysForSure fiasco, and other moving-target MS "standards." If DX 10.1 features are essential why weren't they in the DX 10.0 standard? Maybe next year nvidia fanboys will be pointing to some DX 10.2 feature that ATI lacks.

At this point we have no idea whether 10.0 vs. 10.1 vs. (10.2 or 11.0) will ever matter, and claiming otherwise is subjective.


... but it is true that the 4850 offers the best value at $200, and I'll recommend it whole-heartedly once companies offer 2-slot cooling in place of the bad reference design. And since it's dual-slot I may be buying a 4870 in the very near future.

 

[Tempered81]

x-fire 4850's for $298.00 was the deal of the century.

 

[Mustanggt]

I got my Gt8800 when they hit the market and no one could find them in stock for about the first month Remember? I scored one before they went OOS. I paid $299 back then and I need another year to get my $ worth out of this card it runs everything great so why upgrade?

 

[chizow]

For single slot, the 4870 looks to a definitely worthwhile upgrade at higher resolutions or AA. 4850 not so much. If you're looking at SLI/CF then it'd make more sense to double-up 8800GT if you have an SLI board.

I wouldn't worry so much about DX10.1. Once games implement it, it'll be worthy of discussion but as it is now not every game even supports DX10. Progress is great and all but there's no sense in making a big deal about it on parts that may not even make full use of the feature. Like HD2400 and 8400GT both supported DX10 last year but does it really matter? No because neither would be able to run DX10 games well enough for the check-box feature to matter.

 

[JBT]

I had a 8800GT sold it for $159 + shipped on eBay. Bought a 4850 from BB for $149 plus tax. The secondary DVI port on my 4850 flickers if OCed at all. I'm thinking about returning it unless they release a driver shortly that fixes it. perhaps if the 4870 is released soon I'll try that.

 

[Jax Omen]

I have an 8800GTS, but I'm going to vote anyway. I'm keeping my current card, I have a hard time finding anything that's fun to play that I can't max out at 1920x1200 anyway (Crysis isn't fun, Lost Planet runs great in DX9 and doesn't look any better in DX10 aka slideshow mode, every other GPU-bound game I play runs stellar).

 

[ChaosDivine]

Voted even though I have a GTS 320MB. Don't need an upgrade right now (game at 1280x1024) and already finished Crysis awhile back.

 

[badnewcastle]

For those that already have an SLI compatible system (all they are missing is the second 8800GT), I'd say the best upgrade would be to put another 8800GT.

 

[error8]

I voted for the 4870, but I don't think I'll have the money for it when it's released. My 8800 gt volt modded and overclocked to the last drop, seems to play everything just perfect. So maybe, skipping this upgrade will not be such a bad choice.

The 4850 seems to close to the overclocked 8800 gt, but maybe after a volt mod and a serious overclock, it might just worth the trouble.

 

[JPB]

Originally posted by: Obsoleet
Isn't Assassins Creed 10.1?

It was to begin with, But didn't the company remove support for that ?

 

[Obsoleet]

Originally posted by: JPB

Originally posted by: Obsoleet
Isn't Assassins Creed 10.1?

It was to begin with, But didn't the company remove support for that ?

Not sure.


What I don't get is that generation after generation we've seen DX standards always be better with newer revisions.. judging from the past, you NEVER won in the end sticking with the side with the older standard.

I think it's time everyone declare that the manufacturer who has the newer standard compliance gets a automatic +1 over the competition, no questions asked.

DX9C was better than DX9B, SM3 > SM2. DX8.1 > DX8.0 with the older Radeon/GF wars. All of these and more, you never "won" in the end saying you got the card with the outdated standard.

In this thread, it was stated that "when DX10.1 is useful, these cards might not be fast enough to use it".. that is a tired stance that was used against Nvidia during their DX9C heydays. It really wasn't true in the end. Sure, cards get faster obviously but there's nothing inherently inefficient about GF6 DX9C compliance.

In fact, most standards exist to speed up highly detailed graphics.. so it's not really the fact the FEATURE is "slowly" implemented, but that the scenes that devs allow to run on superior standards like DX10.1 are more intensive to begin with.

It's like running DX7 and comparing to DX9. Yeah, DX7 is faster.. but doesn't mean the DX9 card has a "slow" implementation of it's features.

Needless to say, only the Nvidia devoted are going to be fuming over the 4870. As an unbiased consumer, I welcome it and find it the best choice on the market today for upgrades or new purchases.

The GTX280 got ALL the wind taken out of it's sails this time! Epic fail for Nvidia.. at least looking back, that's how this time period will be judged as for their expensive GTX280 launch.

 

[Sylvanas]

Originally posted by: Obsoleet

Originally posted by: JPB

Originally posted by: Obsoleet
Isn't Assassins Creed 10.1?

It was to begin with, But didn't the company remove support for that ?

Not sure.

Go forth and read

 

[Obsoleet]

Originally posted by: Sylvanas

Originally posted by: Obsoleet

Originally posted by: JPB

Originally posted by: Obsoleet
Isn't Assassins Creed 10.1?

It was to begin with, But didn't the company remove support for that ?

Not sure.

Go forth and read

Aren't you this guy? :frown:

Originally posted by: clandren

Originally posted by: Sylvanas
Repost from this thread

thanks for staying on top of things repost police :roll: